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| Topic Started: Jul 1 2008, 05:24 PM (951 Views) | |
| shadowdragon | Jul 1 2008, 05:24 PM Post #1 |
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Okay guys, there has been a lot of dissgusion about getting an RPG running, and i'd like to see what people thought. Personally i'd like to try either, the iron kingdoms if we can find sourcebooks, Serenity.....as thats the only other sourcebook i own  D&D i'm a little so so on as it seems a little....rules intensive and i'd perfer a more roleplay centered game. I know of at least three people in myself, gelfin and webwraith that pretty much agree on the roleplay intensive game.... so any other ideas for a game....or maybe an ik conversion system...something like that would be cool |
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| Gelfin | Jul 1 2008, 08:11 PM Post #2 |
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I'm all for any of the three suggestions, altho' since I've played D&D for years I'm pretty much up to speed on the 3.5 ed. rules and all. I have plenty of info on CD to get a game going. So IK or AD&D (Forgotten Realms) is my fav choices. This would let us get going pretty quickly as I can assist players in setting up their characters. As far as rules intensive goes, like most games the important rules are those that effect you and your character. All the rest is the problem of the DM/Ref. Learning your basic player skills is very easy, once you have the concept of a combat sequence and a play sequence idea in your head...which we all do thanks to wargaming, you're sorted. Especially if you are aimimg more for a Roleplaying campaign, not a Dungeon hack, the extensive rules are not a major problem. Remember that the original D&D rules were all in 78 pages, including monsters, magic items and a sample dungeon. Imagination is your strongest tool. We have plenty of terrain, boards, and figurines to represent the 3D aspect of miniature combat etc, so all we need are rulebooks and polyhedral dice. Check out Chessex for great dice, but I think Symon has sets for sale. |
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| shadowdragon | Jul 3 2008, 06:56 PM Post #3 |
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Cool beans dude. Well i scored an IK character guide (WOOT!) for seventy one dollars from ebay(god blesseth the curremcy conversion), that does sounds a lot less.....intimidating than i would have thought, and surpose yeah, i'd like to play in more of a campaign than a dungeon hack. I think personally speaking i'd enjoy that more. |
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| Gelfin | Jul 3 2008, 07:59 PM Post #4 |
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That's fantastic man, 'cause the WoTC books are quite a bit cheaper and are readily available all over the web, so the Player handbook and DM Guide should not be too much of a problem. How easy is it to find the IK World Guide? I'll go look. If I DM the campaign it will have quite a lot of Roleplaying involved, thinking and puzzling. I like a good storyline, and with the war constantly on the doorstep, there is so much we can do with it. Unfortunately for some (no names mentioned) the dark personas, evil traits, etc will have to wait until we are more familiar with the gameworld surroundings and the playstyle of the players. So we'll have to stick to the Neutral and Good races and ethnic groups, i.e. No Satyxis, Black Ogryn, etc. There are so many races and cultures to choose from anyhow! We'll start off at 1st level, no jumping the gun, so the first games will be more about exploring your skills and the characters personality. Once you know what you want to achieve with the character, then it'll get more interesting. Can't wait to see it man 
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| shadowdragon | Jul 6 2008, 03:59 PM Post #5 |
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Yeah....its pretty amesome....althought it took a while to hunt down, and might take a awhile to get here, since i dont trust e-bays sellers for shipping its going to a friends place in america and they'll ship it out to me, so at least i know i'll pay fair shipping. For the character guide. As for the world guide, again, see e-bay. Your idea of Gm'ing sounds awesome to me. At least thats the kind of game i wanna play, when someone says D&d or rpg i think of the roleplaying rather than sitting down and working out how to make the ultimately statted character and all that. Cuz to me that seems at least in some respects like "oh well if i wanted to do things tactically i can go play warmachine/hordes/whatever" at least in some respects. No dark races probably means i cant play a tharn ravager huh Not that right now i'd want to do that, honestly i'd probably want to play something slightly closer to home, honestly right now something like a bodger seems a good idea, I have an idea for a pistoller character as well, but she'd be something i'd want to do after a couple of shots at it, because i'd like to do that character justice? As for starting at the beginning, thats something again i'd like to do, because personally speaking i'd like to play a low levelish game, becausae at for a first shot out, i wouldnt personally at least wanna try this whole, lets go save teh world, adventure, i'd not mind playing a lower level game, where your, if you have to save something, maybe you save a city at best? But i guess that comes down to the quote, unquote social contract, and the type of game the Gm wants to run? |
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| cammy b | Jul 6 2008, 07:14 PM Post #6 |
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hi guys forgive me this may be a real stupid question but is this different to the skirmish game Gelfins setting up + how many models do you play with and wot are the differences between this and WM/IK/H 
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Cameron Baxter Shas'el and dirty pirate scum oh I am also a highly disliked Khadorian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXxypefA1jY http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nrRCR0iOMr0&feature=user http://s2.battleknight.co.uk/index.php?loc=hire&ref=MjcwNzg5MA== | |
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| shadowdragon | Jul 7 2008, 06:57 AM Post #7 |
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Well the best way i can describe it is D&D, a roleplaying game, if you've ever played say....Knights of the old republic, or Mass Effect, or even better final fantasy, expect that you only control the one character, the rest of the players control the others and the Gm, controls the world. Weather the Gm controls the game from what i've heard kinda depends on the players Its both somewhat different and somewhat to the skirmish game. Just think of prettty much any standard video game RPG you've ever played, and you've pretty much got what this will be, the best example i can give off the top of my head would be something like Baulders gate, Icewind Dale, and Knights of the old republic off the top of my head as those actully use AD&D rules in their gameplay. As for the difference between warmachine, hordes and IK, well the IK is the nickname group of kingdoms the story of the Warmachine and Hordes books take place in. and thats about it, game mechinc wise they're all different as well. but thats a given. |
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| shadowdragon | Jul 7 2008, 07:12 AM Post #8 |
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Oh just a quick update, i picked up the world guide, for erm.....47, quid, a little expensive, but its a book i've wanted for a long time so i guess it just means i'll to wait awhile before picking up any new models. |
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| Gelfin | Jul 7 2008, 07:42 AM Post #9 |
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What we're taking about Cam is the Iron Kingdoms Role playing game. Basically you generate a character for yourself, and then you 'play-act' that character as the Game Master (GM/DM) puts you through combat and role-playing scenarios. Over the sessions that you play your character develops, gains experience (points), better equipment and so on. As you reach certain levels in experience then you 'level up' and gain new skills and abilities. You are part of an ongoing storyline that runs in conjunction to the War that we so actively participate in with our armies. So you pick yourself a Faction/Nation to represent and decide whether you want to be a Gun Mage, a Warrior, a Rifleman, a Mage/'caster, etc and then you roll 3D6's for all the stats out of 18 max (we all wish for an 18 !!!), choose your skills get your starting money and spend some on weapons and equipment to keep you alive as you adventure across the Iron Kingdoms. The only figurines that are used are for 3D combat purposes, so that everyone knows where they are in relation to the other players and the enemies. So all you need is a single figure model representing your particular character. If you have a look at the Iron Kingdoms pages on the PP website you'll see that the figurines are particular characters, each with their own name. When it comes to RPG figurines, I don't think we need to even restrict ourselves to the Factions or Clans of the Iron Kindoms, there are many fantastic companies out there that make wonderful gaming figurines, take Freebooter miniatures and Hell Dorado for instance. As long as you're happy with the figure and it fits the scale and look of the IK then it's pretty cool. Most often this one figurine will go through many small conversions throughout your campaign, as your character grows and changes sometimes the only way to represent this is to change the whole figurine. Some companies do a three stage set. 1st Level, 6-7th level, 12th level<. This is so that you can 'upgrade' as you go up in levels. To answer SD: The first session will probably consist of setting up the characters since all dice rolls need to be made around the DM anyway. We'll all need the info in front of us, and the right books available. I'm looking into getting the 3.5ed AD&D stuff, it be about 40 quid for all three. It takes a few hours to co-ordinate the whole thing. Before we even begin to think about characters we have to have a good look at what kind of story do we wanna play out. This will help you to have some ideas about character choices and, especially, the classes that you choose to start with. You have to have a bit of a 'future' plan for your character since they have Prestige Classes that you have to work towards. i.e. Gun Mage: You start as a pistolleer, pick up skills in quick draw, craft pistol and ammo, knowledge arcana. You have to be able to cast 2nd level spells, which means that you need at least 3 level of Spellcaster to even begin to qualify. So you switch classes at 2nd level and again at 4th, so now you've got 2 levels in pistolleer and 2 levels in Spellcaster. So you continue and add the necessary skills and Feats and abilities so that you can fulfill the 'dream' of becoming a Gun Mage. On average it takes 10 levels to reach your chosen Prestige Class, so you need to think it out a bit since changing your mind half way through will see you with a mediocre character that's almost good at two things. You cannot have more than 3 Classes, and no one Class may be more advanced than any of the others by more than 2 levels or you incur an experience point forfeit (10%) per level seperated. i.e: 3rd lvl Pistolleer 3rd lvl Spellcaster (Mage) 1st lvl Arcane Mechanic I will not incur any penalties if my next level is in Arcane Mech. But if I take another lvl in any of the other two Classes, I will take a 10% penalty on my Experience gained. BECAUSE, you start to forget some of the stuff that you haven't been keeping up with. If we get the Player guide then maybe we can copy the pages with the character Races and Classes so that those that are interested can get some ideas. Don't forget to check out the IK website and the Buccaneer Bass website, the unoFISHial IK website. The Forums have an entire section as well, so go look. For those who are now interested, know that it takes a little more commitment than 'just' gaming since if you don't arrive for a session, you create hassles for the DM and cripple the 'adventure party' since your skills are absent. The sessions need to be arranged and stuck to by all, or give plenty of notice if you can't make it. War Gaming is all about YOU, but RPG's are about the GROUP. "There is no 'i' in group" Keep the questions coming, but add suggestions as well please.
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| Gelfin | Jul 7 2008, 07:45 AM Post #10 |
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WOW that's pretty expensive. Does that mean we now have both IK books? Please bring with next week, I need to see them. 
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| cammy b | Jul 7 2008, 08:15 AM Post #11 |
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ok thanks for the info so its everyone plays as a single character aganst whatever the bad guy/game master/judge(final fantasy reference). i will probally pick up a minni from arcane minatures just wondering as p+p is £4.99 if anyone else is after a model still not sure guy i want. gunner/warrior, warrior or witch
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Cameron Baxter Shas'el and dirty pirate scum oh I am also a highly disliked Khadorian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXxypefA1jY http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nrRCR0iOMr0&feature=user http://s2.battleknight.co.uk/index.php?loc=hire&ref=MjcwNzg5MA== | |
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| Gelfin | Jul 7 2008, 08:26 AM Post #12 |
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Cool, I'll check out their stuff, but remember you need to have a good idea of your character before picking out a figurine. |
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| shadowdragon | Jul 7 2008, 11:55 AM Post #13 |
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well.....i'll bring em if i have em, their currently winging their way to texas then shooting over here(since i dont trust e-bay shipping) |
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Black Hearted Menite and Circle Player. Bodgejobs My blog The Graph™: Because is that time of the year again.
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| Gelfin | Jul 8 2008, 07:21 AM Post #14 |
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How do you feel about uTorrent, I found all the books there, but it is dodgy! Also I don't like doing the PP guys in, even for a few quid. I Found this Blog, which is another group's campaigns, etc. But it does have some really good stuff there. History of the Iron Kingdoms AND  Buccaneer Bass I'm still looking around for more info, but there doesn't seem to be too much floating around out there. |
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| Gelfin | Jul 8 2008, 09:48 AM Post #15 |
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I found the entire 3.5ed Players handbook online D20 SRD All the D20 stuff is in there so the basics are taken care of there. You can scope out all the spells, basic equipment and weapons, etc. You can also try to familiarise yourself with the basic skills and Feats and how they work, the combat sequence (similar to WM), etc. We'll still need hard copies for the table but I'm looking around. |
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