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| Deleted User | Mar 5 2008, 07:36 PM Post #1 |
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Ok I looked around on another forum and came across this pro and cons topic, along with a few others. Now I can see why some people would list Kurt as a pro, but honestly whats the first thing he did coming to TNA? Kill Joe's streak, when in fact he shouldn't have feuded with Joe to begin with, TNA had their Austin/Rock feud right there, and just like they normally do, they fuckin blow it. Someone needs to sit this bald headed, pill popping, egotistical prick down and set him straight that he is a fuckin hypocrite. He bitched about HHH using all the backstage power to keep him on top, and now he is doing the same exact thing. Now let's see, what makes TNA different than WWE? What makes them the alternative? What makes them the "revolution" of pro-wrestling? Can;t think of anything either right? Exactly. A couple years ago I would have said the X Division, but it's no more prestigious than the WWE Cruiserweight Division. For Christs sake they had a ladder match for the POSSESSION of the belt, not to be champion, but the fuckin possession. Wow, way to go there TNA. Riddle me this, whens the last time you saw a good X division feud? Yea take another five minutes to think of that too. Some could argue about TNA willing to put on hardcore matches and use weapons such as glass and barbed wire. I take it they are trying to emulate CZW now too. How many damn times have we seen the same hardcore spots from Abyss? How many times have we seen the same god damn spots. You know why WWE doesn't use barbed wire that often? Because some state's athletic comities won't allow it. WWE doesn't do hardcore spots every damn week because they want to savor the moment, they use it sparingly. I mean for christ sakes last year 3 weeks before Lockdown what did they have on Impact? A CAGE match! is it nice to see a promotion step beyond the boundaries with hardcore essences? Yes, but they over use it every chance they get. You could also say the roster is what makes them different, but even that is slimming down. Who are the top guys who have been main eventing TNA for the past six months? Angle, Booker, Sting, Christian, AJ Styles, Tomko, Kevin Nash, Samoa Joe. Five out of eight of those guys are straight from WWE, and another one is a washed up guy from WCW. That leaves two homegrown talent in TNA, who aren't even holding any major titles. Yea, way to go on making yourself original and different TNA. Now even in the undercard yous till have Black Reign, Team 3D, VKM, and two out of three of them want out of TNA and back into WWE. They continue to hire people on verbal contracts like Scott Hall and Rikishi, who just end up bailing on them, good job again TNA. They even go as far as to hire a guy who has NO WRESTLING experience, who isn't even ALLOWED to wrestle, and make him a CHAMPION. The guy didn't even help promote the company as he barely mentioned it in interviews Yes there is the argument that TNA uses them to garner casual fans who aren't apart of the IWC. I understand that, but it's to the point where these flavor of the month WWE guys go and just basically piss on the work that the homegrown TNA talent that were made in that company. I can understand people wanting to see their favorite wrestlers of the past, but these guys have invaded the whole main event scene and totally raped the pushing of talent who actually deserve it. The thing about TNA is they waste their money on these past WWE/WCW guys and don't use the money do a little something called ADVERTISING. How have ANY of these guys brought TNA huge ratings? Did Sting, Christian, Steiner, 3D, or even their "holy grail" Kurt Angle bring in major ratings? No. If they cut on the old guys that aren't doing anything and used the money for proper advertising, they wouldn't NEED these guys. Now fans wanted a new title brought in for the mid card, since apparently the X Division doesn't mean shit, and also use it for those, who really don't "fit" the X Division "feel". So TNA listens to the fans, but only does a half ass job. Enter: the TNA Drinking Championship. Does it involve drinking? No. Is it a credible title? No, and it doesn't look like it will be either. Who knows, maybe they will play it off like the FTW title in ECW, but I highly doubt it. Now what has really pissed me off, is the fact they are pushing the likes of Shark Boy and The Black Machismo. How the fuck is this supposed to keep me entertained? How is this supposed to make me believe that TNA is Total Non Stop ACTION when they got a fuckin Stone Cold and Macho Man impersonators in the ring every week. Granted Jay Lethal does do a good impression, however Shark Boy's impression is fuckin horrible. These guys just make TNA look even more of a joke. So with all this bickering, how do we help fix the program? Hmm well let's see, fire Dutch Mantel and Vince Russo for the obvious reasons. Someone sit down Kurt Angle and tell him to just shut the fuck up and learn his place, and that is a wrestler, and only a wrestler. Please for the love of god just get rid of Sting. Use that money to actually buy real advertising because even Universal Studios has WWE advertised right by the Impact Zone! Now last but not least, just stop trying to be competition to WWE because it's not going to happen for a while. Get noticed out by news stations, put your stars on late night talk shows like Leno and Letterman, hell WWE does it to promote WrestleMania. Don't use celebrity involvement unless it's for Bound For Glory, maybe even Slammiversary. |
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| Jevs | Mar 6 2008, 12:19 AM Post #2 |
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Don't forget about the fact that Don West & Mike Tenay can't shut the fuck up for a single second and actually let a moment sink in. Its like when Booker T made his debut. During that whole moment of suspense before his entrance music finally played, Don West and Mike Tenay just kept yelling and going on about how "this is what the world has been waiting for!!!!" Sometimes silence is just more meaningful. Its wierd to because I could swear that Mike Tenay used to be one of the best commentators in the business. Lets also mention the fact that every show they put on television or PPV looks like a three or four hour long script crammed into a two or three hour program. They never let shit sink in. Its just one thing after another and by the time the show is over, I can barely remember a thing that happened. Its like when Team 3D finally won the tag team titles. After nearly two years of chasing those belts and finally winning them, the camera cuts away before they can even get their hands on them. And is it too much to ask that we get a heel that isn't used for comic relief? Its just one lame joke after another. They go after DX for being lame and then they turn around and do way less funnier bits. I don't want to be one of those people that places all the blame for a promotions short comings on a single writer (or two), but I hardly think that its coincidential that things started going down hill after Russo took charge. Seriously, in 2006 before Russo came in as a writer, I was actually enjoying TNA more than I was WWE. But now... its not even close. Its just a matter of time before TNA shits the bed. |
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| CM Pyro | Mar 6 2008, 03:49 PM Post #3 |
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I agree with almost everything said in this thread except for the knocks on Jay Lethal. I REALLY like Black Machismo and I don't see it as a joke anymore. At first, yeah, but now I don't really see it as an impression anymore. But yeah, everything else I concur. |
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| Jango | Mar 6 2008, 09:19 PM Post #4 |
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That's what bothers me more than anything about TNA's current product is that with half your roster made up of people that jumped ship from WWE, it's not an alternative to the WWE anymore. It's a watered down version of the same old shit. And what happened to the stellar X Division and tag team competition that were around a couple years ago? It's like they were dismantled in favor of giving the WWE guys all the tv time. I'm tired of seeing people like Booker T, Steiner, VKM, etc. Put some more new faces on there, build your own fucking stars. And if they bring in Lashley, that might just be the beginning of the end for them. |
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| TARVDF | Mar 6 2008, 09:57 PM Post #5 |
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Meh, as much as I agree with some of your points, I have to say that some of the WWE guys aren't castoffs, some like Christian and Booker T actually decided not to resign with WWE for the opportunity to go to TNA, some like Tomko and Christian have been allowed to let their characters shine through and have actually become more TNA talents than former WWE talents. Would I like to see TNA originals get more high profile matches over former WWE talent, yeah, AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, and Abyss are three guys that I think belong in TNA's upper tier, maybe Christopher Daniels would have belonged there too, until TNA decided to give him a hot, spicy makeover. As for Lethal and Shark Boy, I'm all for their make overs, because now they're actually marketable stars with personality and charisma, who get the crowd excited whenever they're in the ring, what's so wrong about them having to adopt established personalities to do it, especially if they can get over with the fans with it? Is it original? No. Does it work? Yes. |
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| Big Tuna | Mar 6 2008, 10:23 PM Post #6 |
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TNA needs to quit it with the barbed wire and glass and shit unless they plan on a hardcore/deathmatch division of some kind, and even that sounds kind of stupid. The reason the original Barbed Wire Massacre was so innovative and eye-opening was that that had rarely been down until then. Now, Abyss blades all the time, and regularly busts out chairs, tables, thumbtacks, glass, and barbed wire, and the impact of these things is severely severely lessened when they could have built these things up to make feuds more important. |
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| the White John Cena 2.5 | Mar 6 2008, 11:44 PM Post #7 |
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Someone should sue TNA for false advertising if you can do that. The thing with TNA is that they have contradicting goals, if in fact they actually want to do either. 1. To be a wrestling alternative-to do this you have to be different, which means that you have to emphasize wrestling and not muscles and glammour. 2. To be competition to WWE-Entertainment outsells sport, so...you have to be like WWE. THAT'S the problem, TNA has to make a choice and quit going one way for 6 months, then the other for 6 months. They can chose to be the alternative, have a die-hard fanbase that won't grow tremendously but will stay strong forever, or they can go the WWE route. The problem is that when you change it up, you piss off all of your die-hard fans, and it gets harder and harder to get them back. Take me for instance, I watched TNA, it sucked, so I didn't watch it for a while. I tuned in again about a month later, I see Thanksgiving at the Angles, so I don't watch again for a few months, I tune in again, they have about 8 people in a cage match, and get this, they're making fucking tags, then you have their knockouts searching through a box for some shit. So again, I didn't watch for about a month, I tune in again, and what do I see? I see Frankie Kazarian vs Dustin Rhodes dressed like a jackass trying to find a rat in a box and in all the wrong boxes are mousetraps. Now, that's 3 times they've fucked me over. I used to love TNA, not anymore, it wouldn't be so bad, but they lie every single show "WE are WRESTLING" no, bullshit, you're a poor man's WWE. The problem if TNA wants to go the Entertainment route is that it's hard to be "cool" that way, and TNA really isn't, they come across as cheap, not funny, and just plain stupid. If you want my opinion on how to fix TNA is to take it off TV. There's no way you're fixing it, it's too fucked up. You have too many people in power, too many people in the wrong position in power, you have the worst commentary, but they've been there forever, so there's loyalty issues, plus half the roster, no, 90% of the roster is either ROH or WWE talent. It's like TNA went "hmmm, what's the alternative? O, ROH. Who does their crowd like? O, Samoa Joe, Jay Lethal, yea, let's sign them. Hmmm, what's the mainstream? O, WWE. Who does their crowd like? Kurt Angle, Booker T., yea, let's sign them. Hmmm, what would disconnected fans like? Older wrestlers that they recognize. Hmmm, who could we sign? Nash, Steiner, yea, let's sign them" In theory, signing the "cool" alternative, the mainstream, and nostalgia wrestlers sounds good, but so does communism, and we all know how well that works (except you lazy fucking hippies who think that everyone should make the same and get the same shit for any job). |
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| Big Tuna | Mar 7 2008, 07:09 AM Post #8 |
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Did you happen to see the X-Mas episode of Impact, WJCP? That was the greatest episode of a wrestling program ever. Every match was Christmas themed, and the cage match had MOTHERFUCKING CHRISTMAS LIGHTS LINING THE CAGE! It was the greatest spectacle of pure and utter ridiculousness in pro wrestling. TNA needs to just start being a comedy fed, because they excel at this shit. Remember how awesome the Shark Boy skits at the Shark family house were? |
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| Exponent | Mar 7 2008, 04:37 PM Post #9 |
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^I contend that the PCS started it all. Bob Backlund, anyone? |
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| 7evinkogan Jr. | Mar 7 2008, 06:09 PM Post #10 |
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Wait, TNA isn't a comedy fed ? |
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| Big Tuna | Mar 7 2008, 07:31 PM Post #11 |
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I think a midget jacking off while standing in a trashcan on one of the early episodes started it actually, Expo. |
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| Exponent | Mar 8 2008, 11:45 AM Post #12 |
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I'll have to search for it. Sounds like it could give JBL raping Hornswaggle a run for its money. |
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| Jevs | Mar 8 2008, 02:55 PM Post #13 |
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HEY!!!! That was a serious situation!!! |
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| the White John Cena 2.5 | Mar 8 2008, 04:41 PM Post #14 |
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Yes, the match with the 8 guys in a cage, tagging, with christmas lights, was a show I saw, it sucked. TNA isn't even so bad it's funny or so bad it's good, TNA is just so bad that I want to ram a nail through my temple. |
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| Dr. Strangelove | Mar 8 2008, 05:30 PM Post #15 |
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I may be in the minority, but I actually find myself enjoying TNA (...it's a guilty pleasure, if you will). Sure, there are a lot of cheap knockoffs and a lot of their stuff is made for laughs. But you know what....I laughed. The Shark Boy thing....well....I don't see much long-term potential in that, but to me it has been one of the most hilarious things on TV (and I'll take this over that Hornswoggle bullshit anyday). Also, at the moment AJ/Tomko are currently a better tag team than anything WWE has to offer. I'm not saying that what they're doing will work in the long term, but I like the fact that they're not taking themselves so seriously (...and pissing off those ultra-serious hardcore IWC fans in the process). |
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| Jevs | Mar 8 2008, 05:41 PM Post #16 |
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I won't lie, seeing Joe and Cage flexing their arms while Nash was doing his Hogan impression gave me a pretty good laugh. Also, the Booker/Roode feud has been done pretty well although I don't really like the stipulation to their match seeing as how I don't really see why Booker would give a damn whether Tracy get her hands on Banks or not, but other than that, its easily the best things going on in TNA right now. And yes, AJ and Tomko are a grea team although I hate what they've done to AJ's character. |
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| Dr. Strangelove | Mar 8 2008, 05:49 PM Post #17 |
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Actually I'm the opposite. I've never really liked AJ and find him incredibly bland before, but now I like the fact that he actually has SOME character. I also loved AJ and Tomko's strained team dynamic before Tomko officially joined the Angle Alliance. And yes, Robert Roode is easily one of the best heels in wrestling right now. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 8 2008, 09:24 PM Post #18 |
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No they aren't, they are not marketable. It's like buying the America's Choice version of a cereal and realizing it tastes like shit. I was sick of Christian in WWE, and he has started to grow on me in TNA, so I will give you that. Booker T has annoyed me for the past 3-4 years, and more so in TNA. |
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| the White John Cena 2.5 | Mar 9 2008, 07:39 PM Post #19 |
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I agree about AJ, I love his new character, since he actually has character beyond "I'm phenomenal, I do cool shit in the ring." Other than that though, TNA mainly just pisses me off because they lie, if they said that they weren't "wrestling" as in they didn't shove it in your face every 10 minutes about stuff being "revolutionary" or "THIS IS WRESTLING" when it clearly isn't, then I'd be fine with it. |
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| Big Tuna | Mar 9 2008, 10:15 PM Post #20 |
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I know this is hypocritical, since I often shit all over Gabe for being a carny bastard with no morals or originality, but seriously. Wrestling promotions lie, it's what they do. Anything to make people shell out the cash, you know? WWE isn't the only game in town, or the best in the world, nor is ROH state of the art wrestling. It's just wrestling speak to make you pay money in the end. The fact that we get pissed about just shows the little kid inside who wants to believe wrestling is real and that announcers wouldn't lie to us. It's actually kind of cute, or maybe I'm just being a dick. |
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