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Who did it first vs who did it best
Topic Started: Mar 16 2008, 02:45 AM (214 Views)
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K, I hear a lot of argument on youtube, "it's the RKO" "no n00b, it's the Diamond Cutter" "actually, Johnny Ace invented it, the Ace Crusher" "actually Tashimori Haguchi invented it for All New Japan in the 60's at their show Bottle Thongs (seriously, what's up with the Japanese titles making no sense in english)"

My point is, what's more important, who did the move first, or who did it best? How much does originality mean to you?

Like with DDP, I think that he did the move the best, he did it with despiration, both arms, driving down hard, none of this one armed flailing bullshit Orton does, and he actually did it out of nowhere. Similarly, Sting (to my knowledge) was using the Scorpion Death Lock (which is what it was called in Mexico, I believe Konnan actually taught the move to Sting) before Bret Hart.

Personally, I think that Eddie Guerrero said it best on his DVD when describing Mysterio. He said something to the effect of "there are a million guys who can dunk a basketball, but nobody did it with the style that Michael Jordon" he meant that yea, many people could do what Rey did (well, later on anyways) but they didn't do it with such a distinctive style and aura about doing the moves, something guys like Teddy Hart don't seem to get.


On the flip side, people remember moves like Riccochett's double moonsault, and whenever we find out who really invented the Shooting Star Press, I'm sure he'll get praised. To my knowledge, it's Lyger, but I've been wrong before.



Furthermore, is it just moves, or concepts. If you watch WM3, you see a lot of concept techniques, like all the flash pin attempts at the end for example. I didn't see it all that much before that match, and I think that's the matches greatest quality is that it started so many trends in how to build and climax a big match.

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I personally believe Orton doe sit the best, between sneaking out of the pedigree and RKOing HHH, or when Taker went to choke slam Orton, but he reversed it into an RKO. He really does bust it out of nowhere but to be honest, I haven't really seen any of DDP's work.
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To me it matters who did it first. Because if it weren't for who did it first the person who did it best or at the present time wouldnt be doing it. As for who does it best. It doesnt matter to me, everyone does it with thier own style whether it be DDP, Orton, Hernandez, or Stone Cold to Sharkboy who does it like shit, they each do it with thier own style and thier own grace (or lack thereof) making it a different move for different situations for each person.
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It isn't really the same.

Orton jumps up and grabs the opponents head, while DDP didn't jump up, he just grabbed the head from a standing position, hurting the stomach up, while Orton's focuses on the head.

But I like Orton's more, even if he did get the move from him. I've seen Bubba use the move, and a few other. Orton does it the best, that's what matters.
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When Orton jumps on the RKO, he gets some great effects on it as far as head spiking is concerned, so I'm kill with his variant.

Actually, Riki Chosyu invented the Scorpion Deathlock in the 80s in NJPW/AJPW (he was in both), so there's another one.

As far as I know, Liger invented the SSP, but it could easily be some joshi bitch as they invent pretty much every awesome headroppy move (vertebreaker, anyone?)
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