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Topic Started: Mar 18 2008, 07:15 AM (588 Views)
the haiti kid
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Ok I enjoyed last nights Raw for the most part but I really need to rant and get my feelings out on a few issues.

1) Handicap/Squash Matches

I am sick and tired of fucking handicap matches, every damn week, every damn show seems to feature at least 1 handicap/squash match/matches.

I mean I know they wanna show how strong and dominant Umaga is but why against a premier tag team like London and Kendrick. To me that was just wrong.

Stick London and Kendrick back on SD or ECW, there dying on Raw.

2) No Mention of potential breakup.

Ok so Kendrick walks away and leaves his partner London in the ring to take a pasting from Umaga.

No mention of this by JR or Jerry Lawler and this really fucking annoyed me as in years past if a partner walked out on his partner it was treated as a big deal.

3) Now this really is stupid.

So main event time comes and the same London and Kendrick who had been decimated by Umaga come down to the ring with Umaga and looking like partners and looking like nothing had even happened.

Now that is retarded booking, I mean TNA style retarded booking.

4) Great match between Flair and Vince but.....

Shouldn't this match have had some buildup like on a Raw 1 or 2 weeks before to maybe garner a bigger rating for Raw this week.

I mean no wonder the ratings are down when all was promoted for Raw last night was the highlight reel and the main event.

Vince/Flair should have been promoted/announced on TV at least a week beforehand to garner some ratings.

I mean come on Vince, pull your fucking finger out for god sake.
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I agree about handicap matches, but I have no problems with WWE doing it to London/Kendricks, because quite frankly I despise them and don't mind that they are jobbers (which was how I thought of them anyway).

There was no mention of the breakup because nobody cares.
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I posted a thread a few years ago about handicap matches. Mainly addressing 3-Minute Warning at the time (which is ironic, because we are now talking about Umaga being at the disadvantage when he was at the advantage with 3MW).

I hate them. They do nothing more than make the other team look weak. Once you are the team at the advantage in a handi-cap match, you may as well just take a break from wrestling, because you will not be credible for a while.
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As soon as I finished watching Raw, I thought the same thing as you haiti, "Is this TNA?". Just a whole lot of stupid stuff that isn't as funny as it is in TNA.
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paul london wasnt in the last match, btw.
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Yea so somebody else told me, I swear I saw him.

Anyway Kendrick and Umaga coming out together was still retarded in itself.
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I've come to learn that as heated as some feuds or individual matches are the wrestlers apparently have an "understanding" being that as much as they harm each other they still respect each other and that's why they can go from a match to immediately being backstage in a roster meeting or be lumberjacks together or whatever. That works in some places but when fighting is fully legit and when "feuds" are really respectful forms of competition but in wrestling it's different so I see why that kind of thing is annoying.

I don't mind handicap matches when they're a rarity or when the team with the advantage doesn't lose in a certain way. That's not the case with WWE though.

On a side note that sort of applies to the handicap rant and I'm posting here for the heck of it... In wrestling one person can come out and beat on 2, 3, 4, or a ring full of opponents and take them out with one hit or one move or a quick match yet face just one of those same guys in a match and take ten minutes. I know why that is but when it happens a lot I can see why people get annoyed.


As for Vince and Flair's match being promoted in advance. Some argue that doing so can increase ratings. Others argue that having certain kinds of surprise matches can do the same cause when people see that "anything can happen" they may tune in other weeks So I personally don't blame them for not promoting it cause either way potentially has the same results or lack of.

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Once you are the team at the advantage in a handi-cap match, you may as well just take a break from wrestling, because you will not be credible for a while.


Depending on how they're treated the next time they're shown they can be. If the team with the advantage loses but then comes back the next week and is dominant, sometimes it's forgotten. Sure people may remember that the week before they lost to a lesser amount of people but the way that they're presented can quickly change the bad image. The problem is that WWE doesn't usually try to do that.
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Why did they have to feed Londrick to Umaga. Why not Duggan & Super Crazy. I hate it when good teams get buried. + Duggan survived the elimination process in the main event yet Paul Burchill gets pinned. :o

Something good did come out of the Umaga/Londrick match, Kendrick walks out on London. They should have done this after WMania, they won't build this up yet because of WMania.

This is what they should do for next week:
Next weeks show, CCC calls out Kendrick on the cabana. Kendrick explains why he walked out on London. From there they can build up a storyline for Londrick. They break up after WMania. They do the Rockers style break up. Maybe on the highlight Reel, Kendrick smashes Jeritron 5000 on London's head and puts him out of action for many months. Kendrick gets a big push and goes to ECW in the next draft lottery.

Oh and yeh i agree they should have hyped up Flair/McMahon.
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Well I hope this does mean some sort of fued for London and Kendrick but most likely they will be back to teaming up again next week and nothing being mentioned about Kendrick walking out.
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Why wouldn't they mention it ? It's a frequent way of breaking up tag teams so it was probably done with reason.
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Mar 18 2008, 10:15 PM
Why wouldn't they mention it ? It's a frequent way of breaking up tag teams so it was probably done with reason.

Well I hope you're right as I don't have much faith in the WWE at the moment for this storyline (If it's a storyline).
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Ok i also need to rant. Everyone should rant in this topic about what stuff they don't like.

1)I absolutely hate the Hornswoggle push. I hope they stop putting him on tv. I see this push lasting till May and then he makes the Austin/Foley style appearances for special raw shows. The only good thing i liked about this storyline when Vince called out almost the entire roster and played that game with the stars, and then at the end it was revealed as Hornswoggle. Absolulely hated that, started off great but when it ended up being him..... :angry: Hornswoggle, The Boogeyman & Big Dick Johnson should get wished well in their future endeavours.(sp??)

2)Whats the point in having seperate rosters when Smackdown & ECW wrestlers get to also appear on Raw. Punk, Victoria, Delaney last night were on Raw. Yes it is great to see them on Raw but since last year its been interpro almost every week. This usually happens on raw. Why don't they just end the brand split.

3)No mention of Jeff Hardy last night? They should have said something about it.

4)IC Title not being defended again but then again its been like that since WM18.

5)No tag team match at WMania for the tag titles for both brands. No tag match last year either(but there was an 8 man tag)

6)Since Candice returned, she didn't target Beth. She just showed up and didn't even talk about her injury. She is just a filler in that tag match since it is all about Maria.

7)Ron Simmon's "DAMN" catchphrase is indeed hilarous but since NOV 2006 he still hasn't explained what made him comeback to the wwe. All he says is DAMN and nothing else. Simmons promos in his Nation days were very funny and also in the APA. So he should talk more and not just say DAMN.

8)Flair is on the Smackdown superstars page but he is on Raw every week and doesn't show up on Smackdown that much. Same with Big Show. Both of them were on Smackdown last week but usually they are on Raw.

9)Chavo Guerrero gets suspended for more than 2 months and when he comes back, gets a push. ECW title shot and becomes the champ. :rolleyes:

10)Cena needs to lose some matches clean. I know he is the no1 one guy in the company but he should lose some matches clean. I think the last time he lost fair was at the raw show in the uk against HBK in that 1 hour match.
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isnt this the second time someone walked on out on London? Didnt Kidman do the same thing like a couple years ago when he "injured" Chavo?
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This is a good thread, so I'll pin it.

If you have any reason you want to rant, and it's a general rant, rather than an in-depth, topic specific subject, go ahead and do it here.

I'll add something later on, I'm sure.
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2)Whats the point in having seperate rosters when Smackdown & ECW wrestlers get to also appear on Raw. Punk, Victoria, Delaney last night were on Raw. Yes it is great to see them on Raw but since last year its been interpro almost every week. This usually happens on raw. Why don't they just end the brand split.

Cause it still provides a form of structure. Yes people can go on any show but since there are supposedly defined rosters people know that they may see stars from other brands on the shows but they also know that they shouldn't automatically count on specifics. Therefore they aren't likely to be pissed if someone from one roster isn't appearing on another brand yet can be happy if they are.

They're still able to say that it's a Smackdown star, Raw star etc as opposed to labeling everyone as just a WWE star so even though interbrand stuff isn't a rarity anymore it can still be considered a different form of competition or unity of wrestlers in some matches within the same umbrella.

What we're getting is pretty much what some of us were talking about years ago when people said to end the split and others said to modify it because we could still give those who wanted to end it the same thing (more match options) without going the most drastic of routes.

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When it comes to WWE, or pro wrestling in general, I usually don't get upset with much of anything. I'm one of those guys who "goes with the flow" so to speak. However, there are a few things that even I will rant about.

The Tag-Team Division is the first thing that comes to mind. I know that there hasn't been much focus on it for the past several years, but that doesn't make it any less upsetting for me. Back when I first started watching the WWF/E in the late 80's, tag-team wrestling had about as much importance as the singles. Now it's like Creative doesn't even care anymore. Back in the day, teams stayed together for long periods of time, and the Titles were a big thing to have. Now teams break up before you get to know them, and the belts are just an afterthought. I don't know what can be done to bring back tag team wrestling back to glory. Possibly a unification of the titles might help, but with Creative's seemingly lack of interest in the division, I wouldn't hold my breath.

My second rant will probably be a little controversial, but here it goes. I'm sick and tired of seeing these wrestlers who are way past their prime trying to get thier last bit of glory instead of being at home retired where they belong. I'm looking at you, "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan, Kevin Nash, and yes, I'm looking at you too, Ric Flair. I know what some of you are thinking, "Flair can wrestle better than some guys less than half his age.", and I agree with that to an extent, but I still think he should be doing something other than wrestling. That's just me.
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On TBS. Very Funny.

I agree with THK's original point about handicap/squash matches after reading the SmackDown spoilers for this week, the first three matches of the night. Wow. Just utterly, wow.

By the way, the Triple Threat Main Event for RAW at least has some build and a great story behind it. Edge/Undertaker has NO BUILD, NO STORY, NO DRAMA and I'll tell you what, it fucking sucks and me being an Undertaker mark, it pisses me off, and as of right now, couldn't care less what the outcome of the match was because SmackDown's been treated so fucking horribly the past few months its ridiculous. There is not ONE FULL SmackDown match on the card aside from Taker/Edge. That's bullshit.

Post edited so no more spoilers - TAPS
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BigManJ
Mar 18 2008, 09:27 PM
My second rant will probably be a little controversial, but here it goes. I'm sick and tired of seeing these wrestlers who are way past their prime trying to get thier last bit of glory instead of being at home retired where they belong. I'm looking at you, "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan, Kevin Nash, and yes, I'm looking at you too, Ric Flair. I know what some of you are thinking, "Flair can wrestle better than some guys less than half his age.", and I agree with that to an extent, but I still think he should be doing something other than wrestling. That's just me.

I definitely see where you're coming from with that but I figure that these guys get a rush and have a passion for it that I don't comprehend so since I don't know what it's like I don't get overly annoyed. In other words I don't feel personally that I can determine that they should hang up their boots even if I get annoyed seeing some of them. I know that you didn't say anything close to that, but I know that some people have in the past which is why I brought it up. Personally I don't mind if older wrestlers still compete as long as they entertain me and that their airtime doesn't' do much (or anything) to screw over anyone else.


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