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H-AIDS
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Brent
Mar 11 2008, 08:11 PM
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Mar 12 2008, 01:49 AM
And um, how about I say whatever the fuck I want and you worry about your own "ignorant statements?" Kthnx.



Um, how about no?

You guys can debate all you want, but keep the shit civil, plain and simple.

Kthnx.

I was directly responding to something he said which made it "un-civil", and I will say whatever the fuck I want...So how about yes?

Kthnxbye.
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Mar 12 2008, 03:51 AM
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Mar 12 2008, 01:49 AM
And um, how about I say whatever the fuck I want and you worry about your own "ignorant statements?" Kthnx.



Um, how about no?

You guys can debate all you want, but keep the shit civil, plain and simple.

Kthnx.

I was directly responding to something he said which made it "un-civil", and I will say whatever the fuck I want...So how about yes?

Kthnxbye.

Imo, it was a ignorant statement. You lumped an entire group of people into one specific way of thinking without fully knowing their intentions.

Uneducated statements=Ignorance
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Mar 11 2008, 09:56 PM
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Mar 12 2008, 03:51 AM
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Mar 11 2008, 08:11 PM
H-AIDS
Mar 12 2008, 01:49 AM
And um, how about I say whatever the fuck I want and you worry about your own "ignorant statements?" Kthnx.



Um, how about no?

You guys can debate all you want, but keep the shit civil, plain and simple.

Kthnx.

I was directly responding to something he said which made it "un-civil", and I will say whatever the fuck I want...So how about yes?

Kthnxbye.

Imo, it was a ignorant statement. You lumped an entire group of people into one specific way of thinking without fully knowing their intentions.

Uneducated statements=Ignorance

"imo" is the key word in the post, the fact that you thought it was ignorant doesn't justify saying "keep your ignorant thoughts to yourself". It's a forum for debates, I'm not going to keep my thoughts to myself because you don't like it when I post a statement of the truth which you see as ignorant.
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Mar 12 2008, 03:57 AM
SoCal
Mar 11 2008, 09:56 PM
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Mar 12 2008, 03:51 AM
Brent
Mar 11 2008, 08:11 PM
H-AIDS
Mar 12 2008, 01:49 AM
And um, how about I say whatever the fuck I want and you worry about your own "ignorant statements?" Kthnx.



Um, how about no?

You guys can debate all you want, but keep the shit civil, plain and simple.

Kthnx.

I was directly responding to something he said which made it "un-civil", and I will say whatever the fuck I want...So how about yes?

Kthnxbye.

Imo, it was a ignorant statement. You lumped an entire group of people into one specific way of thinking without fully knowing their intentions.

Uneducated statements=Ignorance

"imo" is the key word in the post, the fact that you thought it was ignorant doesn't justify saying "keep your ignorant thoughts to yourself". It's a forum for debates, I'm not going to keep my thoughts to myself because you don't like it when I post a statement of the truth which you see as ignorant.

Contradiction, ftw

The topic quickly becomes "uncivil" when you make statements like that. What you're seem to be saying is that what we all post is opinion(which it truly is) but what you post is truth. It's all opinions man, but you're the one failing to realize that when you came in here stating that everyone was voting for Eddie because he was dead.
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How is that a contradiction??? What I am saying is, you basically took it from a debate on the subject to a debate on my posting. Brent was implying that I had made it uncivil, when you were the one that started the chain reaction.

My post about Eddie was saying that he had recently been overrated by people because of his death. THAT'S on topic. Whether or not I'm ignorant is not. I may think you're the ignorant or naive one, but did I say "keep your naive thoughts to yourself"? No.

And I don't even give a shit that you said I'm ignorant, but I'm not gonna take the blame, at least not all of it, for making it more personal than it had to be.

Back on topic anyways, Ric Flair/Stone Cold was a much tougher choice for me. In the end though, in my lifetime I've been a lot more entertained by Stone Cold, and after all the Ric Flair cheap knockoffs over the years I guess I have gotten sick of that cocky heel who wears expensive clothes and gets lots of women gimmick. Probably unfair to Flair though.
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Mar 12 2008, 04:05 AM
How is that a contradiction??? What I am saying is, you basically took it from a debate on the subject to a debate on my posting. Brent was implying that I had made it uncivil, when you were the one that started the chain reaction.

My post about Eddie was saying that he had recently been overrated by people because of his death. THAT'S on topic. Whether or not I'm ignorant is not. I may think you're the ignorant or naive one, but did I say "keep your naive thoughts to yourself"? No.

And I don't even give a shit that you said I'm ignorant, but I'm not gonna take the blame, at least not all of it, for making it more personal than it had to be.

Back on topic anyways, Ric Flair/Stone Cold was a much tougher choice for me. In the end though, in my lifetime I've been a lot more entertained by Stone Cold, and after all the Ric Flair cheap knockoffs over the years I guess I have gotten sick of that cocky heel who wears expensive clothes and gets lots of women gimmick. Probably unfair to Flair though.

Testy, testy, testy.

I wasn't placing any blame on just you, or saying YOU made it un-civil. The statement "I will say what ever the fuck I want" is what made me step in.

And as long as you're civil, ALL of you are civil, then you can argue to you heart's content. But when you say "I will say what ever the fuck I want!" then I have the feeling you think you are going to say what ever you want, with out any one stepping in, and that's not the case. It won't be tolerated. From any of you.

So, like I said, keep the shit civil, ALL of you, or I'll start issuing warnings.

It's not really hard.

Thanks.
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Eddie Guerrero vs. The Rock

Stone Cold vs. Ric Flair
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Eddie Guerrero over The Rock

Tough pick, but for me Eddie is the better all rounder. No, Aids, his death had nothing to do with me picking him.. it's just that both these two are in my top 5 of all time and Eddie happens to be ahead of The Rock. Rock's charisma, fast work, vast moveset and short term selling is incredible. Eddie's charisma, faster work, vaster moveset and BRILLIANT short AND long term selling make me enjoy him a LOT more in the ring. On the mic, Rock is a different level to everyone else ever. He is incredibly entertaining. Eddie isn't THAT far behind, he is very, very good, unique, I remember many decent segments with him..

Eddie is the perfect wrestler imo. Name an area where he is weak and I will debate it - he is a nice guy backstage, a TOP wrestler, a TOP entertainer, a TOP face or a TOP heel.. Him and Michaels are the two best all rounders of all time, in my humble opinion.

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Flair over Austin.

Easy for me personally. Austin is great, but I don't get him. Flair is great and I do get him. If I was asked to pick the most deserving to go through in terms of talent, this is harder - For Rock and Eddie I loved them both so had to break it down. For Austin and Flair, I love one of them so it's far easier.

I don't know why I don't get Austin, but I don't. Micwork is great, segments are great, but they are all too forced and cliched for me. Ringwork is incredible, his pyschology is AWESOME, but his moveset bores me a lot.
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I don't know your tastes that well, but could it be that Austin's kick/punch semi-brawling style basically helped cement the "WWE Main Event Style" at the top that guys like Cena, Orton, Jeff Hardy, Taker, Edge HHH, etc. are currently so great at? Or is it something else? I know that's a common problem with Austin.
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Mar 14 2008, 12:32 AM
I don't know your tastes that well, but could it be that Austin's kick/punch semi-brawling style basically helped cement the "WWE Main Event Style" at the top that guys like Cena, Orton, Jeff Hardy, Taker, Edge HHH, etc. are currently so great at? Or is it something else? I know that's a common problem with Austin.

That's interesting.. my initial reaction was "yeah, spot on" but looking at your list, I really like everyone's work on there - Taker and Trips are certainly two of my fave workers in the industry.

I THINK it's the frequent superhero thing he does.. his short term selling I can't complain about, and long-term selling as a heel was good too, which is why i enjoyed his 2001 "gone crazy" work the most out of his career I guess..

it's really not his fault at all, I really do feel that, but I HATE overbooking people no matter who it is. Triple H gets a bad rep for this but I feel his long term selling is actually really shithot, especially when it comes to fatigue in long matches. I don't get that with Austin.

I can't criticise Taker for it as his gimmick IS to no sell.. which makes it EPIC when he does. His timing of selling is really good, he doesn't waste it in non-sensical places, but when someone is working a limb, or he is on a big stage such as Elimination Chamber, Rumble, whatever, it stands out and works well.

Austin.. short term, as I say, really good. Same as Rocky. But longterm I dislike it in general due to the "hulking up" frequently that him, Hogan and Cena do.. it's no coincidence I HATE the second two's work, so I think this is the trend.

To clarify, I'm not saying he couldn't do it, I'm saying he isn't booked to do it enough for me to enjoy his work, as I feel is detracts from the story of the match at times.


I'm a big fan of the WWE main event style when there is a good atmosphere and a lot of nearfalls btw - Cena/Umaga, Trips/Cena, Orton/Cena, Austin/Rock are some of my favourite matches over recent years in the fed.

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I think my dislike for his out of ring character is simple - I've never marked for the hard ass that beats everyone up, I've always marked for the witty guy who thinks he is better than he is. See - Sawyer from Lost, Shawn Michaels, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Jericho, Chris Hero.

NOT the guy that calls everyone out then beats them - Cena, Austin, Hogan... I have no idea why I like Trips as he falls into this catergory.
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Eddie - dead or alive, he entertained ME more and had better matches

Flair by a milestone. I hate Austin's in ring work, and his legacy is tainted by his pathetic comebacks throughout the past few years.
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I never was big on rock or stone cold even as a kid.
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The Rock- Quite simply, I have never been a big fan of Eddie, on either the mic, or his ring work. Not that it isn't phenominal, especially the ring work, but it, for some reason, has just never appealed to me.

SCSA- This was a TOUGH choice for me, but in the end, SCSA won out over Flair.
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Mar 12 2008, 01:49 AM


Notice how prior to Owen Hart dying, the IWC is saying he was "the best WWE wrestler to never win a title".

He did deserve the wwe title. He was a great heel and a great wrestler.

They could have made him a champ in 1995. Diesel certainly didn't deserve a year long reign. Owen could have been champ in 95 for a few months.

Then at In Your House DX he also deserved the title. He could have dropped it back to HBK at NWO 98.

When he won KOTR 94 many fans were cheering for him when he won. He was great and heavily underrated. 94 was a great year for the Rocket and he had an awesome feud with Bret. Owen should have been the one to take the title off Bret. Then Owen could have had a good reign and then drops it back to Bret in an iron man match at WMania 11. Now that would have been awesome.

Owen, Bulldog. Rick Rude, Hennig all deserved wwe title reigns in the wwe. Maybe not Rude because of the timing but had Rude stayed in 1990 then he should have faced Hogan at WM7. Hogan/Rude would have been an awesome feud.

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