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| Big Tuna | Mar 16 2008, 07:59 PM Post #41 |
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Absolutely correct. 60. Jay Briscoe vs Mark Briscoe, ROH 5YF: Finale (March 4th) -So, this is the ultimate Briscoes-y match, and why shouldn't it be? You get the idea that they only lost the titles so they could have this match, even though the stipulaton from their 1YA match was that they could never wrestle again. Anyways, this was nothing but a bunch of headdrops and the Briscoes displaying to the world that they aspire to be vegetables by 45, but it was pretty fun. 59. Kings of Wrestling vs The Briscoes, ROH Domination (June 9th) -Again, a match I liked more than anyone else. Just a fantastic story, with Hero and Claudio being able to out doubleteam the Briscoes when they set their minds to it, but overall not being able to stay on the same page long enough to get the job done. 58. Yuji Nagata vs Hiroshi Tanahashi, NJPW (October 8th) -The first one of their 2007 trilogy to get on the list, so you know they had a great rivalry. The main flaw with this was that it was a bit too long when compared to their April and august matches, and it seems that these two work much better with 20-25 minutes, and not 30+. Still, the story and psychology especially near the end were pretty great. 57. Joey Ryan vs Human Tornado, PWG Based on a True Story (Janiary 13th) -This is an example of why PWG rules at feud ending brawls. All of the stops were pulled out, and I mean all of them. Some truly amazing bumpage here, as well as some fucking excellent drama down the stretch. 56. Randy Orton vs Triple H, WWE No Mercy (October 7th) -I think I can admit that a large part of my enjoyment of this was the live experience. Just a phenomenal main event brawl that had me convinced at points that HHH would actually pull this shit out, before he actually succumbed at the end. 55. Claudio Castagnoli vs Ricochet, CHIKARA KOT Night 3 (February 18th) -This went beyond the Claudio V. Flyer format and pulled out some truly inventive shit here, and I was completely blown awau by it to the point where Ricochet became a guy I actively looked for matches from. 54. KENTER vs Bryan Danielson, ROH Driven (June 23rd) -Again, I did not like a hyped ROH match as much as many. I mean, yes, it was very VERY fun and good, I won't deny that. But, there was shit that bothered me a lot. Firstly, the part where KENTER no-sells the G2S from Danielson, which means he no-sold his own finish, which is mega mega retarded. Also, the opening matwork really didn't go anywhere, and the most story I got here which is that KENTER didn't wast time on the shoulder, which just means he wrestled his normal match. 53. Chris Hero vs Mike Quackenbush vs Eddie Kingston vs Chuck Taylor, IWA-MS A Rotten Farewell (December 7th) -So so so fucking great. So often do combinations of these 4 bring me great joy with their overall interactions in tags and multiman matches. Hero/Quack, Hero/Kingston, and Quack/Chuckie T are all gold combinations, and the brief teasing of Quack/Kingston, who have never met since Kingston actually became more than good in 2005, was really really awesome. 52. Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Yuji Nagata, NJPW (August 12th) -I give them so so much credit fot what they did here, given that they had around an hour to plan it, as the original final of Tanahashi/Nakamura was killed then Naka got injjured in the Naka/Nagata semifinal earlier that night. As it was, it was a fantastic match with Tanahashi showing more and more confidence and aggression, and it being the key facotr in him being able to win this time. 51. Kevin Steen vs PAC, PWG Holy Diver Down (February 24th) -This is pretty basic stuff, as PAC is not afraid to die for pro-wrestling greatness, and Steen is more than happy to kill him for m viewing pleasure, in addition to bumping huge for PAC's comebacks. |
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| Big Tuna | Mar 17 2008, 06:03 PM Post #42 |
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TOP FIFTY MOTHERFUCKER~! 50. KENTER/Nigel McGuinness vs Bryan Danielson/Takeshi Morishima, ROH Respect is Earned (May 12th) -This should have gotten so much more hype than it got. Such a fantastic tag as far as getting everyone in their stories over, which is all I ask for in a main event tag. Danielson/Nigel was continued, as was Morishima/Nigel and KENTER/Danielson, as well as starting Danielson/Morishima at the end. Plus, any match with a Nigel restart tends to be fucking great. 49. Roderick Strong vs Erick Stevens, ROH Man Up (September 15th) -My God, this was great. Great great power match, as well as telling a great story of Erick being like the new Roderick and Roderick realizing it as the match goes on, and this trying to kill him at the end. 48. No Remorse Corpse vs The Vulture Squad, ROH Honor Nation (October 5th) -IMO, this is closest ROH ever got in their attempt to copy Dragon Gate in the STABLE WARZ~! The trick was that everyone in this brought something to the table, even in a minor way, and it got the lesser guys like Ruckus and Jigsaw over huge, and allowed the NRC to look amazing as a unit. 47. Up in Smoke vs The Olsen Twins, CHIKARA Cibernetico and Robin (September 22nd) -Another CHIKARA miracle match. I really like both teams, but it doesn't seem like both are capable of being this fucking great. Except that n this night, everything worked for them, and it was really really awesome stuff, with some unreal double teams. 46. Matt Sydal vs El Generico, ROH A Fight At The Roxbury (June 8th) -This is how you do a fun juniors match and entertain me. It was basically a slower version of their UNREAL TPI 2005 match, but that only means it was a little less awesome. 45. The Briscoes vs MCMG, ROH Good times Great Memories (April 28th) -Again, a Briscoes match I didn't like as much as everyone else. And again. I understand why people loved it so much. And for the millionth time, it's not for me, although I cannot deny how entertaining the formula was before it become insanely overexposed. 44. Chris Benoit vs Edge, WWE Smackdown (June 8th) -I don't get SciFi, so in my mind, this is the last match I ever saw Benoit wrestle, and it was so fucking great. The perfect match to get Edge over as more than just a cheap bastard, but as a cheap bastard who had skills, but still wasn;t better than The Best Wrestler Alive. Not the last word there. 43. The Briscoes vs Kotaro Suzuki/Ricky Marvin, NOAH (January 21st) -This is another Briscoes match that hasn't aged too well since it happened, but it's important to note that they debuted a lot fo completely insane spots here, and at the time they were completely mind blowing. Especially the counter to the Ace Crusher 42. Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Hirooki Goto, NJPW (November 11th) -Again, in any other year, this would most likely be in the top 30-40, but this was a really great year for wrestling. This match was a really well done example of two young guys stepping up in a major way and making each other look better. Selling was a bit patchy in parts, but it didn't overly affect my enjoyment. 41. KENTER/Taiji Ishimori vs Naomichi Marufuji/Kota Ibushi, NOAH (July 15th) -Again, this is one of those really fucking awesome matches on first viewing that turns into just a tremendous match on 2nd and 3rd viewings, which isn't to put down the match at all. There was even some great psychology with KENTER and Maru both pushing their partners against the other man, to prove that each other's ne wpartner was just as good as the other one. |
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| Chaotic Vision6 | Mar 17 2008, 10:42 PM Post #43 |
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Fuckin A lookin nice.. Where are we at the star ratings at this point? About ****1/2 or so? |
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| the White John Cena 2.5 | Mar 18 2008, 01:24 AM Post #44 |
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I agree with you're opinion of the Briscoes ladder match. Really, they just substituted thin ladders for tables, and there were a lot of medium sized bumps, nothing HUGE like Edge spearing Hardy off the belt, Hardy's swantons, the 2x2 table stack spot, and Hardy's leg drop spots. The package and J-Driller didn't really impress me because it was obvious how they protected each other, but I'm not a fan of piledrivers through stuff, because they over-protect the other guy, as they should. I just would have rather seen a top ladder SSP or Briscoes combo, or Steen doing a moonsault or something. I still think that Dragon vs KENTA was great, but it's likely bias due to me being there live. Dragon's GTS on KENTA was sold, he stumbled into the ropes with a dazed look, then came back at Dragon, plus, my thinking is that if anyone knows how to protect himself from the move, it's KENTA. Sort of how Bret Hart could always reverse the sharpshooter. I really like the list and your effort so far. |
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| Big Tuna | Mar 18 2008, 06:19 AM Post #45 |
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At this point, I think we're almost to the ****1/2 star matches, which start in the mid 30s. 40. Chris Hero vs Claudio Castagnoli, CHIKARA Rey De Voladores (April 22nd) -This is the best of the Hero/Claudio matches this year, and I hate tto show my bias, but a large part of it is that they were in CHIKARA, and both men seem more comfortable in CHIKARA than other places, and it allowed them to not only have the most fun match of theirs in 2007, but add a large piece of story here, with Hero always setting the tone, but Claudio constantly catching up to him. 39. Eddie Kingston vs Tim Donst, CHIKARA Bruised (October 26th) -The rematch that hurt when you watched it. More vicious, more intense, and with a better headbutt than their 1st match. However, their 1 st match (again) came out of nowhere to be AMAZING, where you expected it in this one. 38. Takeshi Morishima vs Austin Aries, ROH Battle of St. Paul (April 27th) -This is motivated Aries at his finest. Morishima's real good and all, but I don't think he's great, and Aries helps him along to a complete mindblower of a match. A common complaint about it was that it was Aries/Joe light, but I had Aries/Joe at ****3/4, so that's alright with me. Plus, the exact story was that Aries used the same strategy, same trunks, and even some of the same moves and sequences that beat Joe, so of course it was Aries/Joe light, as Morishima is no Joe. ****1/2 matches start now 37. Claudio Castagnoli vs El Generico, ROH RTTT Night 2 (July 28th) -A common complaint is that this is a spotfest. Why yes, yes it is. But it's put together in a way that makes it feel like something more. Claudio has waited for this moment for 2 years, and Generico is the fairytale underdog who just got here, and both throw everything to make sure their destiny is the winner, in addition to some really cool spots like Generico playing off Claudio's weakness against Yoshi Tonics. 36. Jeff Hardy vs Triple H, WWE Armageddon (December 16th) -This is the 5th best WWE match I saw this year. 4 of the others include John Cena. Just a fantastic fantastic character based match that not only elevated Jeff into a biref main event run, but (I think) helped Triple H, showing that even as this badass face, he can be defeated, which had added to a lot of his matches since then. |
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| Chaotic Vision6 | Mar 18 2008, 01:58 PM Post #46 |
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I thought the Death Before Dishonor Briscoes vs Steen and Generico match was WAY mroe overrated than the ladder war myself.. I seen the DBD match after I had already seen the ladder war and I felt pretty underwhelmed. to White John Cena: And what do you think is gonna hurt more a thin ladder or a gimmick table that you could put a finger through? How the hell is a jay driller and a pacage pile drive with guys going head first through ladders not a big bump? I don't buy that they were too protected either. How could you tell? The moves looked normal to me. The expectations of Wrestling fans and bumps today are mroe dangerous than even I thought I guess. Until I see a match in 2007 (besides the Kobashi return tag) that gets a crowd as excited and amped up for a match throughout it as the Ladder war did its gonna be my MOTY. I mean this match had: - A beal through a ladder - Powerbombs on chairs -Stiff unprotected char shots to the head - A Piledriver AND a Jay Driller THROUGH a ladder. - An awesome bomb from the ring to a ladder set up on the guardrail. - Getting dumped from a ladder to another ladder that was lieing down. - A SSP onto a flat ladder - A running Yakuza kick into the face with a ladder - Several unprotected shots to the head with a ladder. I mean what more could they have done without killing themselves? If Mark did a SSP off the top of a ladder that is a major risk and a very hard move to do considering you have to keep your balance on top of a ladder. I am glad that he didn't try it because I could see him botching it for sure. I really don't think me being there live has much to do with it as it came off much the same on DVD as it did live. The same stuff still happened and I have been there live for other matches like MCMG's vs Briscoes and thats not anywhere near my moty and I had 2nd row for that one. I have heard the Briscoes say that those ladders you go through hurt the most because they pinch ur skin when they fold up which can't be fun. As far as the Briscoe vs Briscoe match I loved it at first and thought it was good but now I am hardly a fan of the match at all. Pretty sloppy and it doesn't touch there other 2 singles encounters after looking back. I just watched CIMA and Shingo from 11/25 again last night and I think thats one of my top 20 favorite matches. Sure there are a lot of finishers and lariats and stuff but the match is just tremendous. Nonstop fun I had watching this and I think it should be a bit more appreciated for how good it was. To me it equalled the stuff Generico and Pac and CIMA and Generico put on in PWG atleast. |
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| Big Tuna | Mar 18 2008, 03:12 PM Post #47 |
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If it had 5-10 minutes less, I'd agree with you completely on CIMA/SHINGO. As you'll see, I loved the Boston Street Fight FAR more than the ladder war, as it had what I want to see in a violent brawl. I thought Man Up was more towards spots and really cool sequences, and it did great at that, but the DBD5N1 match was more about hate and both teams trying to kill the other team, and great crowd violence, which I dug way more. Again though, I can see why CV6 loved it so much, especially live. I don't think a lot of other people would give Jacobs/Chuck 4-stars, but I did, and it's largely due to how great it was live. Lastly, keep the arguing out of the way until the end, when you'll actually have a full list to complain about using my Chikara bias, my love of brawls, and my John Cena fandom to sculpt an odd top 25. |
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| Big Tuna | Mar 18 2008, 03:30 PM Post #48 |
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35. Jun Akiyama vs Go Shiosaki, NOAH (August 25th) -8/25/07 was apparently a really great day for pro-wrestling goodness. I, again, LOVED a match that nobody else really hyped up a lot. Great NOAH main event style match, with Go being given a lot compared to their 1/21 match, and it, to me, showed the great growth of Go and what he'll be able to do in the future. 34. Chris Hero vs Bryan Danielson vs Austin Aries vs Takeshi Morishima, ROH Final Battle 2007 (December 29th) -I happen to LOVE the four way elimination format, as it's a real easy structure to build drama with when done right (see: ROH Redemption), and advance or start new stories in. Danielson/Morishima was worked greatly here, as was the story of all 3 being able to overwhelm Morishima, and then Aries and Danielson not being able to handle Hero individually, but with teamwork, they beat him and then had another really good Aries/Danielson closer to a multiman match. I'm starting to get sick of Aries/Danielson matches at this point, no matter how good they are. 33. The Briscoes vs Necro Butcher/Mad Man Pondo, FIP International Impact Phase 2 (April 21st) -This is the side of the Briscoes I LOVE. The angry, violent, drunken redneck brawlers who just want to fight and hurt people for no good reason except boredom. Also, Necro and Pondo brought the awesome brawling and deathmatch skills, and the ending was INSANE. Mark Briscoe clearly aspires to die during a show, is the only reasoning I can come up with for his insanity. 32. The Briscoes vs Kel Steenerico, ROH Fighting Spirit (April 14th) -Yes, I liked this more than the Ladder War, deal. I liked it more because it had more of a story not based around just crazy bumps, but around an injury with actual real emotion involved, which 9 times out of 10 (and you'll see that 1 later), beats a really insane bumpfest. Great focus and storytelling here, and holy shit, great SELLING from a Briscoe. 31. The Briscoes vs DIFH, ROH Final Battle 2007 (December 29th) -Beautiful juniors epic style tag, as it brought the story in addition to the ultra-fancy movez and doubleteamz and sequences. The Briscoes were more focused on hurting Jimmy and Tyler than on winning the match, while DIFH wanted to win the match, and nothing more, and the Briscoes lost focus at the end in rage and due to DIFH's strategy working perfectly to that point. |
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| solution | Mar 18 2008, 03:36 PM Post #49 |
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number one better not be some indy,roh, or japan shit. |
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| Big Tuna | Mar 18 2008, 03:45 PM Post #50 |
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Well, that's ignorant of you. If I think it was the best match of the year, then that's what'll fucking be number one. It's my list. If you want, you can find the top WWE/TNA match since apparently those are the only two companies that exist, and pretend that's #1. |
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| solution | Mar 18 2008, 03:52 PM Post #51 |
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it is ignorant of you to disagree with me you disgusting little turd. if the number one match isnt a wwe match, you will not enjoy the consequences. |
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| Big Tuna | Mar 18 2008, 03:59 PM Post #52 |
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And if I think a ROH match, or a CHIKARA match, or a Japanese match is better than my top WWE match, then that's my number one match, and I don't see the problem with that. There's a reason this list is in GENERAL WRESTLING and not WWE. IF it makes you feel any better or less bitter or whatever, a WWE match is #4 on my list, and that's the top WWE match. |
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| Exponent | Mar 18 2008, 04:01 PM Post #53 |
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Chill. He's kidding. |
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| solution | Mar 18 2008, 04:02 PM Post #54 |
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you sick bastard put your match at number one, i dare you, do it! there will hell to pay |
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| Big Tuna | Mar 18 2008, 04:37 PM Post #55 |
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My bad then, talking about wrestling on the internets usually leads to a large quantitiy of people with downs who think they have to be right. If I put said non-Us TV having company's match, are you going to rape me? |
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| solution | Mar 18 2008, 04:55 PM Post #56 |
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the raping of you is inevitable regardless of what you put on here. |
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| Big Tuna | Mar 18 2008, 05:20 PM Post #57 |
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I disagree, good sir. I disagree. 30. Samoa Joe vs Low-Ki, PWG ASW5 Night 2 (April 8th) -This is the perfect extension and 2nd part to their 2002 match, as far as playing on their striking now, with both men trying to avoid a striking showdown, but always getting drawn into it because they hate each other, which then turned into Ki trying to stick and move on the larger Joe, and then Joe trying to throw bombs to beat Ki. 29. Claudio Castagnoli vs Takeshi Morishima, ROH DBD5 Night 1 (August 10th) -So so awesome. The thing with Morishima in ROH was that he had a set formula, and it was up to the other wrestler involved as to how the match would go. Claudio...happens to be fucking awesome, so this worked really really well, to where you got the impression at points that Claudio stole the match from Morishima's formula to turn it into something really special. 28. Team FIST vs The Briscoes, CHIKARA Maaximum Overdraft (August 5th) -Another one of those Briscoes work a smart story-driven match metches that makes me mad when they do the lazy thing and just do spotz. This is all about Icarus defending CHIKARA's honor against the ROH Tag Champions, and him not being able to count on Akuma for the same level of passion as Akuma had been in ROH before. 27. Nigel McGuinness vs Austin Aries, ROH Rising Above (December 28th) -I literally reviewed this about a week ago, so go read that summary. 26. Takeshi Morishima vs Bryan Danielson, ROH Manhattan Mayhem II (August 25th) -Shocker! Again, in 2006 if this happened, it'd be in the top 20, maybe even 10. And again, I get why people would rate it higher than me, but I didn't like it enough to go higher than ****1/2. There's no real flaws with it, but I just liked 25 other matches better. |
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| DM/SS | Mar 18 2008, 06:41 PM Post #58 |
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I'm REALLY keen to see the Briscoes/Butchondo tag match and Ki/Joe, any idea where on teh internet is best to look for them? Great list, I'd love to be able to work my way through watching them but it's not going to happen. I'll start from number one and work my way backwards, I'm more likely to be able to find the more popular ones I guess. |
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| Big Tuna | Mar 18 2008, 06:53 PM Post #59 |
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Torrents, man. Torrents are how I see all the wrestling I do without paying for a majority of it. the Briscoes/Necrondo match is available on the ROH website under FIP DVDs, and the Joe/Ki one is on PWG, whose shipping is fucking awful, so that's best downloaded. |
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| DM/SS | Mar 18 2008, 06:59 PM Post #60 |
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whenever I try and torrent indy stuff it seems to have either 1 or 0 seeders or whatever they are called.. little alien things clearly. But whatever shenanigans they are, I know it takes about a day to download a single match for me whenever I try, unless its a WWE PPV that's just aired or something. I have teh broadband so it can't be that. I use The Pirate Bay or Mininova, is there one more rasslin orientated? |
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