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| Big Tuna | Feb 9 2008, 02:11 PM Post #1 |
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so there's a thing like this in WWE forum, and I'm pretty much the most outspoken on Gen. Wrestling, so I figure it's the same idea. Ask me about any booking decision or thing ever, and how I would have done it differently be it WWE, WCW, TNA, Puro, or current indies. I'm not too knowledgable on lucha though, or at least as much as on puro. Not to be confused with the Ask Simon A Question thread, which is related to mostly facts, but took an opinionated turn, but this is all opinion related and I would like to keep facts out of it. |
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| the White John Cena 2.5 | Feb 9 2008, 04:43 PM Post #2 |
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great idea simon.... K, there's a Starrcade '95, New Japan vs WCW with a brilliantly booked (in my opinion) triangle (not triple threat) match between Flair, Sting, and Luger, winner faces Savage for the championship. Dunno if you've seen it, but how would you book it differently, from the NJPW vs WCW matches to the main events and why. Lastly, this one shouldn't take much time for you, how would you have ended Goldberg's streak. |
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| Big Tuna | Feb 9 2008, 05:10 PM Post #3 |
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I've seen the Ohtani/Eddie and Benoit/Liger matches which were awesome. I know that Sting and Kensuke had a match, even though Sting was in the #1 contenders triangle match. I like what I've read about the world title thing, with Flair winning via shenanigans, but I would have had Savage defend against Kensuke Sasaki so both guys have wrestled twice, because reading the results makes Savage look like a loser for not being able to put away a man who had already wrestled for 28 or so minutes. If they both wrestled, then Flair winning by shenanigans is more than alright. Also, the OMG/Kensuke match wouldn't have happened on PPV, and Savagee/Flair would have main evented Starrcade 95. 2. My Goldberg idea. It plays up on my all time favorite WCW match in DDP/Goldberg. Nash had no rub to gain by beating Goldberg. Even as an 8 year old who had only watched since June of 1998 (so 6 months), I was like "...really?" I have once choice as to he would lose to. The REAL People's Champion. I'd either go 2 routes: 1. He beats Nash at Starrcade, and Bret puts DDP out of comission and begins to get built up as a technical machine, emotionless and withour remorse, like Malenko in 1996. Put him against Goldberg in a main event tag on a PPV or two (Bret/Hogan vs Flair/Goldberg at Souled Out for example), and have Goldberg have some random defenses (vs Flair at Superbrawl, vs Hogan at Uncensored) and have Bret get his shot at Spring Stampede as DDP comes back. Goldberg wins over Bret via DQ after Bret refuses to break a hold on Goldberg's leg. At Slamboree, it's a no DQ match and Goldberg wins. Bash at the Beach sees Goldberg/DDP vs Bret/Raven. Build a subtext that DDP and Goldy are a great team but DDP does want his rematch. Occupy Goldy's time with defenses agains tuppercarders rising up to the main event like Raven, Benoit, Scott Steiner, Booker T. Maybe they could keep Jericho this way. This can go on for a few months, as DDP finally scores his big win over Hogan at Halloween Havoc 1999. World War 3, DDP wins and we get Page/Golberg II at Starrcade, and DDP wins the big one. Of course, this plan hinges on WCW not being WCW and 1.) building up new main event talents and 2.) letting a long term program actually climax effectively and have a long term goal. 2. DDP loses at Havoc, but learns his lesson. He got overzealous after Goldberg barely kicked out of the Diamond Cutter. He goes on to win World War 3, foregoing that Bret/Giant vs DDP program of late 1998. He and Goldberg have their rematch at Starrcade, and this time, it's a goddamned epic. DDP kicks out of the Jackhammer after Goldberg kicks out of the Cutter. Goldberg this time, makes the typical mistake and underestimates Page's reilience and DDP slides out of Jackhammer #2 and hits the 2nd Diamond Cutter for the pinfall. Next question. |
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| the White John Cena 2.5 | Feb 9 2008, 07:21 PM Post #4 |
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I have Starrcade on tape and I cannot remember seeing the US title match after the Flair vs Savage match, are you sure it just wasn't a house crowd kind of thing? Because I recorded it directly off of Prime Cinema when that was still aorund. Maybe it's like a bonus on the tape that was a bonus for the live crowd, but I do not at all remember seeing it on the live broadcast. Savage wrestled earlier against Tenzan I think. I knew you'd have Page winning, personally, I'd go with Sting, but that's because I was a huge Sting mark. Thinking of it though, Sting had his big breakout (kinda sad that their franchise had to breakout again) vs Hogan (supposedly, Hogan fucked that) so I guess Goldberg would be DDP's big breakout guy to beat. |
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| Big Tuna | Feb 9 2008, 07:45 PM Post #5 |
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Plus Sting already had his shot and lost to Goldberg in a fine fine match for a Nitro main event sometime between Fall Brawl and Havoc 1998. Although, DDP already lost to Goldy, but why should logic get in the way of pushing my favorite guys. I recently booked a WCW 1997-8 scenerio on EWR and it had Sting winning cleanly over Hogan at Starrcade, followed by Sting having a defense against Bret and then against DDP before losing it to Hogan in March. Hogan lost it to Goldberg in May, and DDP won it from Goldy at Starrcade. By the end of the year, Hogan Lex, The Outsiders, Giant, and Sting had all quit and Austin, Rocky, HHH, and Foley had all jumped. The point is that I beat the WWF in 1998 with the narrative of DDP's quest for the world title. As for Kensuke/OMG, Wikipedia said it was the main event, so who am I to argue with that? Come to think of it, yeah, Savage did face Tenzan, but I like to pretend Tanzan doesn't exist outside of inventing the Anaconda Vice. I'm going to go so far as to say that when WCW and NJ stopped the amazingness of their talent exchange around 97-98, it was a big thing in killing them, because it cut off the greatness of the cruisers once the Big 4 moved to the heavyweight scene, and it was basically Rey, Juvi, and Kidman. Keep the scenerios rolling. |
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| DM/SS | Feb 9 2008, 07:51 PM Post #6 |
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If you could replicate the Muta Vs Tsurata "Best of up and comer going over massive main eventer to finally reach the big time" situation in todays era... who would be your Muta, and who would be your Tsurata? Any federation, and two wrestlers. Book the scenario or just state it, either way. |
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| Big Tuna | Feb 9 2008, 08:39 PM Post #7 |
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I'm pretty sure you meant Misawa, but here goes Right now at the current time and moment, there's nobody worthy of being in the Jumbo position. Nobody in all of professional wrestling to me, comes off as being The Man, just by looking at him. The first time I saw Jumbo Tsuruta, it was a photo of him with his hand raised up in the air like Bender from The Breakfast Club and him yelling "OHHHH!", and I could immediately tell that this guy was the fucking man. There's guys who have come close. John Cena is The Man in every other way besides having an aura. Hiroshi Tanahashi has the aura and the skills, but he isn't enough of a badass to pull off Jumbo. Triple H in 2000 was a mega badass heel, but he won typically via cheap means. The closest anyone in the 2000s has come to pulling it off is Samoa Joe in ROH in the years 2004-2005, except in those times nobody was capable of being his Misawa in that the crowd immediately went apeshit whenever they even came close to contact. But if I had to choose two wrestlers in my fantasy impractical scenerio, it would be this The Undertaker or HHH as Jumbo. CM Punk as Misawa. HHH and Taker are the only two in the WWE who are established enough and come off as badasses and unbeatable to do it, and CM Punk has the Misawa-esque quality of working brilliantly against The Man. See him vs Samoa Joe as ROH Ace in 2004, the formula works. Let's say it's Triple H. Triple H is the unified champion. He's fucking unbeatable, and in this scenario John Cena has quit the WWE like Tenryu quit AJPW in 89 to set this scenario up. Say he's scheduled at Summerslam to fight Edge or JBL or Orton or someone else, that doesn't matter. Two weeks before that show on Raw, a situation happens. HHH's backup guys Shawn Michaels and Jericho fight a team of CM Punk and MVP. HBK and Jericho are dicks to the younguns in this match, and overconfident and rude and it leads to Punk pulling off the gloves and going crazy at the end and pinning Jericho. The next week on Raw, a trios match is made with HHH/HBK/Jericho vs Punk, MVP, and a newly renamed James Gibson. During the match, HHH disresepcts Punk on a lockup, and they brawl violently over the course of the match, and Punk pins Jericho again. At Summerslam, HHH loses the belt, and the next night on Raw, picks a fight with Punk to take it out on somebody. Except that Punk wins with a rollup out of the Pedigree. HHH declares shit to be on, and recruits Jericho, Michaels, and JBL into his army. Punk leads teams of younguns over the full before setlling on MVP, Cabana, and James Gibson, fulfilling the stable aspect of Jumbo/Misawa. At the September HHH gets his belt back, and at some Raw in October, he defeats MVP and beats him down badly. At the Survivor Series, Punk gets his title shot, and HHH/Punk II is a complete classic. HHH plays his role perfectly as the confident ace who is focused and determined and yet scared that this cocky young gun might be taking his spot, and he's not ready to step down yet. HHH wins, but barely. CM Punk is a bonafide star now. Over the course of the rest of the year and the next year, HHH and Punks' groups wage war on each other, and HHH/HBK and Punk/MVP have repeated violent brawls with each other over the tag team titles with non-affiliated teams of the Hardyz and Burke/Shelton thrown in the division as well. At the Royal Rumble, CM Punk and the Undertaker are the last 2, and Taker wins. HHH may or may not have smiled when he saw this, perhaps showing fear. HHH retains over Taker , but in the springtime, he loses the strap to dastardly heel Edge. At WM, CM Punk lost to HBK, and an excellent trios match of Gibson/Cabana/MVP vs JBL/Jericho/Batista is had. HHH/Punk is downplayed over the course of this next year, but whenever they come close to contact, the crowd flares up in excitement, but they never fight for too long, and both men are extremely protected. Edge feuds with both men simultaneously, without forcing a Triangle match, and scores cheap wins over both men, with his ally Randy Orton eventuall occupying HHH while CM Punk goes on to win the championship from Edge at that year's Summerslam. In the fall, a trios match of HHH/Jericho/JBL vs Punk/Gibson/MVP main events a PPV and HHH beats the shit out Punker with a sledgehammer, forcing MVP to try and take the lead but he is eventually overwhemed by both HHH's superior skill and the numbers game. Punk is out on the injured list and the title is vacated. A tournament comes down to Edge and HHH, and Triple H finally gets the clean win over his adversary. MVP tries to establish himself as Punk trains for a comeback, but Triple H is able to cleanly defeat MVP and end his title hunt. CM Punk returns before the Royal Rumble, vowing revenge and to gain the title back that he never lost. He goes on to win the Rumble with a final 4 of Punk, MVP, The Undertaker, and Michaels. MVP and Punk have a slightly heated exchange, but it comes down to Punk eliminating JBL to win the Rumble. At WrestleMania, CM Punk finally pins Triple H clean off a G2S, not needing a rollup this time, and winning the title back that he never lost. HHH tries to gain back his title after starting over, but after failing at Summerslam (2 years after their feud started), CM Punk is firmly established as The Ace. From here, MVP takes over the Kawada role, while Cabana takes over the Kobashi role and James Gibson in the Taue role, leaving the big 4 players as Punk, MVP, Colt Cabana, and Gibson with the groups beiing Punk, Cabana, The Hardyz, and Sydal constantly facing MVP, Gibson, JBL, and BenjaBurke with the old guard of Taker, HHH, Jericho, Michaels there for some defenses and to break in new guys as they're phased out of the picture. *** I tried to make this as much like 1990-1992 AJPW as I could, but I had to guess on the overall storyline ending, as Jumbo got badly injured in 1992 and never recovered to his previous level, leaving Misawa without his big comeback win over Jumbo to top off the feud. Next. I really do enjoy doing this, by the way. |
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| Chaotic Vision6 | Feb 9 2008, 11:19 PM Post #8 |
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In your opinion was the 94 Super J cup or the 95 super J cup better? |
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| Big Tuna | Feb 9 2008, 11:31 PM Post #9 |
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94. Not take anything away from 95's J Cup, but the 94 show is considered so great that it's known as a gateway show for one looking to get into puro. Benoit/Sasuke and Sasuke/Liger are both all time classics in my book and Samurai/Sasuke, Liger/Hayabusa, Benoit/Eddie, and Eddie/TAKA are all real good and fun undercard matches. The rest really isn't awful either. 95 was fun and all, but it had 2 issues. One being that it didn't have the big show feel of 1994's tourney because it was held by WAR and not NJPW. Two being the inexplicable megapush of Gedo to a Gedo/Liger final, instead of Benoit/Liger. However, it had 3 AMAZING matches in Benoit/Jericho, Liger/Ultimo, and Rey/Psicosis. Overall though, you'd want 94 over 95. |
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| Chaotic Vision6 | Feb 9 2008, 11:42 PM Post #10 |
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In your opinion what was the reason for Psicosis(sp) downfall? I mean he went from being so amazing in 96 and 97 to being awful by the year 2000. I mean I know Juvi's ring work went down but he still did some shit with KENTA/fuji that was decent and some other stuff but Psicosis jsut went to total shit. |
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| Big Tuna | Feb 9 2008, 11:50 PM Post #11 |
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Probably drugs, considering it's wrestling. I remember when he got arrested in 2006, he carjacked a guy in Mexico with a water gun, so he's probably fucking crazy or really into his drugs. I do remember him having some fun matches with Tajiri and Super Crazy in ECW in 2000, and some alright stuff during the Mexicools days in 2005, but outside of those periods, he's been for lack of a better word and my love of puns, psychotic. He was also in the first X Title match, but that hasn't aged very greatly, and he was far less important to the match than AJ, Ki, or Lynn. |
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| the White John Cena 2.5 | Feb 10 2008, 12:41 AM Post #12 |
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What do you feel is the truest way to judge a pro wrestler? I mean something beyond "I like this guy" "I don't like this guy" |
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| Big Tuna | Feb 10 2008, 12:06 PM Post #13 |
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In the truest sense of pro wrestling, I think it boils down to getting people into your matches, whether it be with selling, a great comeback, fancy moves, fantastic technical wrestling. However you do that in your enviroment means you're at least passable. But to me, it's a more of a sense of "Do I care about you?". Example: I know that guys like Aries, Davey, Roderick Strong, Romero, Delirious, and Whitmer are all fine technical wrestlers. These guys can go, and have the ability to produce solid matches. However, in the enviroment of ROH, I don't care about any of them, and I'm not going to be able to get into their matches. Counterpoint: There are 3 guys in ROH that I absolutely adore in Chris Hero, Claudio, and Jimmy Jacobs. I'm typically always going to be getting into their matches and rooting for them, and I think to me that it makes these guys awesome wrestlers. Bryan Danielson is a odd mixture of the two, because half the time I won't care about his match at all, despite it being technically brilliant or something (I never cared about his KENTER matches or got emotionally involved in them), and then he'll go and do something like the Morishima matches and I'll absolutely love it and be rooting for him the whole time. I figure as long as you can draw a response from me, you're an alright wrestler, but technical skill does help your cause, but not so much so that I'm ranking a Aries or a Romero or Davey over John Cena, who draws money, reactions, and sells tickets, meaning he's the epitome of a successful US pro wrestler. But as you know, that shit doesn't work as well in Japan, where you've got to be a stoic calm dignified warrior. It's why Misawa was always more respected than Kawada, despite (imo) Kawada being the better worker by a hair. Kind of a rambling one, but it boils down to "Do I care about your match?" type thing. Next one please. |
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| Exponent | Feb 10 2008, 12:12 PM Post #14 |
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What was the best period of ROH and why? |
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| Big Tuna | Feb 10 2008, 02:10 PM Post #15 |
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May 13th, 2005 - August 13th, 2005 Known as The Summer of Punk. New stars are made like Matt Sydal, Nigel, Nigel McGuinness, and Jimmy Rave. AJ Styles and Chrs Daniels returned. Roderick Strong, and Jay Lethal atepped up and became name guys. James Gibson made everything feel important, and the Gen Next vs Shelley feud morphed into GN vs The Embassy when Shelley turned heel and joined Rave and Abyss, and the angle gave Matt Sydal the opportunity to be a star. Strong stepped up big in matches against Shelley, Punk, AJ Styles, and finally got his big win against Matt Hardy. Joe was finally established as The Ace when he decisively beat Aries. Finally, the entire Punk as a heel angle was completely perfect. Punk was the man, the fan favorite from July 04-June 05 until he turned heel after manipulating the fan's emotions to win the title belt from Aries, who he had failed to beat as a face. This played off 5/14, where he was held off by Jimmy Rave for a long time in a cage match. He then insulted ROH repeatedly, drawing the ire of everyone (and in a nice touch, Cabana briefly tried to support Punk, but then left because everyone yeleld at him for his best friend's behavior) and cheaply winning over Jay Lethal (with Joe's moves), Strong (pulling the ropes), Gibson, and Daniels. Everything worked here. Joe was mad at Punk because of the respect they had built up but Punk flushed away. Daniels was put out of ROH by Punk in Jan. 2004 and wanted revenge. Gibson had worked so long to repeatedly fall short in his quest for a title, and Punk had insulted his new home promotion. It all culminated in my favorite doubleshot ever at Redemption and Punk: The Final Chapter. The main event of Redemption saw Gibson finally win the big one, surviving repeated cheap tricks in an AMAZING live moment. The next night, in the best wrestling moment I've ever seen live, Punk had his last match against Cabana, in the single largest outpouring of emotion for a pro wrestling match I've ever seen on the indies. The streamer shower was unreal to participate in, and it wrapped everything up perfectly for his ROH run. Next one please. |
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| Maxwell | Feb 10 2008, 02:46 PM Post #16 |
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If you were to rebook Morishima's ROH debut weekend, how would you do it? |
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| Big Tuna | Feb 10 2008, 03:59 PM Post #17 |
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I wouldn't have done anything to the Joe match, but I would have comletely changed the structure of the match with Homicide. If I wrote it, Homicide would have hit his shit like the Ace Crusher, Lariat, and a bunch of old shit like the STF he used in 2003 but be unable to beat Morishima or hoist him up for the Cop Killa. Morishima would look to be about to win, but Homicide would cheat or something and it would end in a fuck finish with it turning into a massive brawl with the title ending up on Homicide. Then if ROH is so fucking set on putting the belt on Shima, I would have the title be given to him after he beats Homicide in a No DQ match in April. Then I would nix the PPV idea, hire a bunch of other guys, and be a good booker. |
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| the White John Cena 2.5 | Feb 10 2008, 05:10 PM Post #18 |
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How would you book a promotional war between WCW and WWF after starrcade '98 (meaning you can build up to that point, you don't have to have Nash as your champ). Second, book a promotional war starting after wrestlemania weekend between Chikara and ROH. |
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| Big Tuna | Feb 10 2008, 06:10 PM Post #19 |
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I wouldn't book a WCW vs WWF war at that time period. No way to get a real winner, I just couldn't book without a clear conclusion in mind. #2, I can do.. I'd wait to do it until when they do the Trio Tourney. In this scenario, Team FIST wins KOT and the ROH Trios thing is in May. Say the team of The Briscoes and Nigel McGuinness wins the Trios Tourney under the banner of Team ROH. I would have Team FIST jump the barricade and demand to know where their invitations were for this tournament. On the board, Gabe says these men have no affiliations with ROH and it was a security failure. The next CHIKARA show, FIST win back the tag belts from Incoherence, when The Briscoes come down and beat them down as a receipt. On the undercard, Claudio loses to Lince Dorado via flash pin. On commentary, Quack and Sweeney wonder what the hell that was for when the Briscoes come out. The next ROH show at the end of May sees Quack finally return and we get Danielson/Quack II in addition to Nigel/Hero as the main event and Claudio vs Jigsaw. FIST and Chuck are once again at ringside.Claudio loses via rollup and Danielson wins after he repeatedly kicks Quack in the head, not allowing him to get up. Post-match, Quack refuses a handshake and storms off, pissed at Danielson's cheap tricks. In the main event, Sweeney repeatedly goes to FIST and Chuck and talks to them. Hero has Nigel repeatedly beaten, but the ref is down or something happens to interfere with him getting the title. Nigel walks by with a rollup, and Hero snaps. He viciously beats down Nigel and the Briscoes and Claudio run out to try and stop him. FIST and Chuck jump the rails and we get a staredown. Danielson and The Briscoes come to CHIKARA, and we get Danielson/Briscoes vs Hero and FIST. Danielson pins Icarus after interference from Nigel McGuinness. Chuck Taylor comes out, but they overwhelm him. Quack on commentary is hesitant, but eventually makes the save for his archnemesis Hero and with the help of The Colony, helps chase off the ROH guys. At the next ROH show, The Colony are invited in to face the NRC and they are brutally beaten and injured (NO REMORSE!) in addition to Claudio losing to Human Tornado via flash pin. In the main event, FIST, Hero, and Chuckie T face Danielson, Nigel, and The Briscoes. Hero is able to score a clean pin on Nigel. The pattern continues with the NRC defending the ROH tag titles at a CHIKARA show in what seems like a routine defense and they destroy Cheech and Cloudy. The next show, They have an open challenge for the ROH tag titles to any CHIKARA team and they are met by Los Ice Creams. They come out and win the titles, and unmask themselves as Icarus and Akuma. Meanwhile Hero has taken the time on both Chikara and ROH shows to appeal to Claudio on his losing streak, saying that the KOW were unstoppable with him, Hero, and FIST. In the main event of DBD6, Hero and Nigel meet for the last time ever as a stipulation. A brawl breaks out between the CHIKARA faction (FIST, Chuckie T, Sweeney, Quackenbush, and The Colony) and the ROH factions at ringside (Danielson, Briscoes, Jigsaw who previously turned down an offer to come back to Chikara, Austin Aries, Strong, Richards, Romero, and BJ Whitmer). Claudio comes down, presumably to even the score, but he turns on Nigel, and the KRS-1 gives Chris Hero the ROH title. The next night, a Super Trios Match is booked featuring the top men of both companies with Hero/Quack/Claudio vs Danielson/Nigel/Aries, which degenerates into madness and a challenge is made for Chikara's August Arena show to have the ROH title on the line with Hero vs Danielson, Claudio and FIST vs Briscoes and Jigsaw, Quack vs Nigel, and The Colony vs The NRC. At the Arena show, The Colony comes close to revenge on the NRC, but they don't quite get the job done. Nigel defeats Quackenbush, and the Briscoes/Jig beat the Kings. In the main event, Hero and Danielson have a classic with neither man able to put the other away. Predictably, a brawl breaks out and Eddie Kingston finally chooses to help CHIKARA as Danielson, Briscoes, NRC, Nigel, and Jig are beating down Hero, FIST, Quack, and Claudio. A challenge is made to end this all at both promotions. In ROH at Glory By Honor VII, it will be a 5 on 5 elimination tag with Danielson, The Briscoes, Nigel, and Aries facing Hero, Quack, Claudio, and Team FIST. At CHIKARA's Cibernetico Begins it woudl be ROH vs CHIKARA in the Cibernetico with Team CHIKARA being led by Quack and Hero consisting of Quack/Hero/Claudio/FIST/Kingston/Soldier Ant/Fire Ant vs Team ROH led by Danielson of Danielson/Nigel/The Briscoes/Austin Aries/No Remorse Corpse. At GBH7, the elimination tag boils down finally to Hero and Danielson, and Danielson is able to defeat Hero. At Cibernetico Begins, the final 8 are Hero, Quack, Icarus, and Soldier Ant vs Danielson, Roderick Strong, Austin Aries, and Nigel McGuinness. Soldier steps up and proves he's more than comedy as he nearly pins Danielson. He soon falls to the teamwork of Roderick and Aries though. Hero and Quack are able to team up long enough to eliminate Roderick, but Danielson injures Hero off a low blow. Icarus manages to pin Aries in a big shocker, but Nigel pins him with his feet on the ropes. It's down to Nigel and Danielson vs The Superfriends, but Hero is injured. Nigel and Danielson cannot decide on who gets to eliminate him, and Hero is able to tag Quackenbush. He battles back, and fights them until Hero can recover, and the ROH Champion pins Nigel with the Hero's Welcome. Danielson uses the ref escorting Nigel out of the ring to hit Hero with the ROH Title and pin him. Down to Danielson vs Quackenbush, and after several intense minutes Quackenbush is able to make Danielson submit with the CHIKARA Special to end the match and give Chikara the victory. **** Post-feud: FIST drop the Campeonas to Cheech and Cloudy finally, and go on to become ROH roster members as does Kingston. Chuckie T stays on the udnercard working mostly comedy matches and openers. Danielson and the Briscoes make occasional CHIKARA appearences at The Arena for big shows. Title-wise, Hero cannot be beaten for the ROH title, so Low-Ki is brought in to do what nobody else can do. He wins the title from Hero, but now ROH is left with Low-Ki as champion in their worst nightmare, and a fully functioning KOW of Hero, Claudio, FIST, Chuckie, and Sweeney as well. Post-feud in CHIKARA, it comes time for the TWGP in February, and Claudio is off in NOAH at the request of ROH, so citing their amazing teamwork in the last year, Hero and Quack reunite the Superfriends. The finals boil down to Team FIST facing Quack and Hero. It seems like a classic is building, and all of a sudden...Quack turns on Hero, extracting his full revenge at last, and joining back up with his original proteges Team FIST in what I'd call The Rogues League. Next. |
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| Exponent | Feb 10 2008, 06:13 PM Post #20 |
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You have a lot of respect for John Cena as a draw, and rightfully so imo. However, WHY do you think John Cena draws so well? And could anybody else have filled his role instead? Basically, in the same way it is asked if anybody else could have replaced Hulk Hogan, could a different superstar have replaced John Cena? |
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