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'Grey's Anatomy': Callie And Arizona's Relationship Repair Is 'Not Gonna Be Easy,' Sara Ramirez Says

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One of the fan-favorite couples on "Grey's Anatomy" (Thursdays at 9 p.m. ET on ABC) is in a very bad place, post-plane crash, and it might not be getting better anytime soon.

HuffPost TV caught up with one of the show's stars Sara Ramirez on set, and she was very forthcoming about the continuing struggles for her character Callie Torres and her wife Arizona Robbins, played by Jessica Capshaw.

Calzona fans breathed a collective sigh of relief last week when Callie finally showed Arizona that she wasn't the only one hurt by the crash that left her an amputee (at Callie's orders, no less). Their scene in the shower, with Callie screaming "This is my life now, too," was one of the more emotional moments of a very tumultuous season so far, and there was hope that they could start to try to move forward and repair the relationship.

Ramirez admits that playing that tension was "pretty painful," but says they're still far from a happily ever after. Keep reading for more about the things that have been said that can't be taken back and Ramirez's take on whether or not these two should've gotten married in the first place. Plus, more on Arizona's path to recovery, and whether or not it will even include Callie.

That moment in the shower with Callie and Arizona last week needed to happen.
Yeah it did. It's a big deal, and it's something that you can't ignore.

But that couldn't have fixed everything, right?
I don't think so.

No one can stay happy for too long on "Grey's." Are they the new problem couple of the show?
I don't know! I honestly don't know. I'm just starting to see what a lot of dysfunctional couples do when they are trying to accept a problem without really working through it. There's a lot of brushing things under a rug and putting on a happy face. I see a lot of band-aids, but I don't know if these two are really going to talk about what really needs to be talked about. A lot has happened -- they've been through a lot. Arizona was there for Callie when Callie was in a coma, so I don't know that Callie's going anywhere anytime soon. I think she feels like she's gonna stick with this and be there for her wife.

But that's a very scary reality, because it's not enough now just to be there for her. Arizona needs to be taken care of, at least until she's in a better place, which makes it Callie's problem now too, right?
It is and it's not. At least from what I've seen and read, Arizona's very much about figuring this out by herself. And when someone wants to get through something like this on their own, without their partner's help, there's not a lot of space for their partner to play a part in that. So Callie is busying herself with Sophia and busying herself helping other people at the hospital because they're actually needing her, and are open to needing her help.

Her situation at home ... it's not something that she knows a lot about. She doesn't know how to support and nurture an amputee, especially one that doesn't want her help.

She's always had those problems in her relationships! She couldn't figure out how to be a wife for George, and now she can't break through Arizona's walls to be there for her. She's so good at her job, but her personal life is looking messy. Again.
Well, if we're gonna talk about George ... [Laughs.] I think she's picking the wrong people. I don't think it's really Callie's fault necessarily, but you know, the responsibility lies when you pick someone, you're stuck with them to some degree. The difference here is Arizona was there for her during a very difficult time, and not only helped save her life, but saved their baby's life. And that's a big deal. George never did anything like that for Callie. In fact, he cheated on her. This is such a different relationship for so many reasons, and it's further down the line in the character's evolution. So we're catching her at a different time in her life with someone new who is going through an extremely difficult process. What I'm seeing is a partner who doesn't want help from anybody other than someone who specializes in that kind of help.

As a fan, I just kept hoping that Arizona would snap out of it after that shower scene and realize they needed to start moving forward again.
No, that's not gonna be easy. And I think even if you see things on the surface, I don't know that it speaks to what's really healing on the inside. It's going to really depend on how much the writers want these characters to really evolve or how much they want them to stay stuck in their usual patterns, leading to a dysfunctional relationship.

It's hard for people to change, but if anything is going to force people to either evolve or regress, it's something like that plane crash, which basically affected everyone we've ever known on this show.
In order for a relationship to really evolve, and for people to evolve in a relationship, they have to be willing to tell the truth, and they have to be willing to have that kind of difficult conversation. And I think these two ladies are both sort of skirting around the issues, so much so that I don't know that the truth ever gets spoken. And if that doesn't happen, then anything you see moving forward doesn't seem like it's genuinely dealing with the problem. It's all just covering up the problem, trying desperately to move on, trying to pretend like everything's OK or going to get better.

But you also have to consider -- at least I do because I had to play it [laughs] -- but when really horrible things are said that can't get taken back ever, you have to wonder, as a partner, if your person really meant that or not. Arizona said some pretty horrible things that she has not taken back. Is that the truth? Because if that's the truth, that's not a good thing ... that's not a good sign. So I keep wondering are the writers going to write Callie as a character who just glosses over the truth and pretends she didn't hear it and moves forward like everything's fine? Or is this going to come to a head at some point where these two women can no longer keep putting up a facade of something that's working if it's not? I'm very, very curious.

I'd like to think, or at least hope, that Callie can continue to take the bull by the horns and get them back on track.
I think because Callie almost lost her own life ... there's something about facing your own mortality that makes you not want to waste any more time on petty things. Or even big things. I think when you've almost lost your own life, you don't really have time to put up with things that don't feel right, that don't feel good. So I'm wondering how long Callie is going to keep pushing forward, and pushing down whatever doesn't feel good, and pushing through it. I'm wondering when that's going to blow up in her face, because it has to. I'm sorry -- nobody's that understanding and forgiving, over and over again.

It's not an exaggeration to say that those scenes with Arizona have been heartbreaking. You never want to treat anyone like that -- but especially your wife!
Yeah, it was pretty painful. And then to expect it to be OK! That's where, if you're willing to be that harsh, you have to be willing to accept the repercussions. But when you're angry and in pain, you often times say a lot of things that you don't mean. We're just not sure what Arizona meant and what she didn't mean. If there was any truth to the things that she's been saying to Callie and all the anger that's coming through, then maybe there's some things that they need to talk about that have nothing to do with the plane crash and that have nothing to do with Callie's coma ... that, in fact, have to do more with some things they should've talked about before they even got married. Then they would've been really sure that they were right for each other.

I tend to want to go back and kind of pull it apart from the beginning. Did everybody tell the truth? Was everybody being true to themselves when they committed to this relationship? Or did anybody lie to themselves in order not to be alone? Because a lot of people do that in life -- they're too scared to be alone.
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'Grey's Anatomy' star Sara Ramirez dissects shocking Calzona twist

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Grey's Anatomy's Jessica Capshaw: It's Never Going to be Over for Callie and Arizona

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'Grey's Anatomy's' Sara Ramirez, Jessica Capshaw on Callie and Arizona's Devastating Decision

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7 things this season of 'Grey's Anatomy' is doing right

2. Arizona and Callie are finished … for now.

It needed to happen—that’s all there is to it. As one of the most beloved relationships on the show, Calzona just wasn’t working. It wasn’t working for a very, very long time. If you try to trace it back, you could argue that the child debacle mid–Gary Clark shooting spree was the beginning. Ultimately, this was the doomed tale of two amazing women who might just not be amazing for each other. Kudos to Sara Ramirez and Jessica Capshaw for a beautifully acted Calzona-centric episode in “Bend and Break.” When Callie said, “I want you to feel free too,” it was apparent that, for now, Callie and Arizona just weren’t meant to happen.
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Jessica Capshaw: Grey's Anatomy Won't Taunt the Callie/Arizona Fans

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But, according to Jessica Capshaw, ABC’s Grey’s Anatomy will be merciful to “Calzona” ‘shippers by keeping the separated marrieds… well, seperated in the wake of their heartrending break-up, when Season 11 resumes on Jan. 29.

“It’s respectful to the fans that really want them to be together,” Arizona’s portrayer told TVLine at a Television Critics Association press tour soiree, “because they don’t have to see them almost be together in every episode.”

“It’s so smart of [the writers],” she added. “It hasn’t held any sort of inauthenticity. If you break up with someone, you would want some space.”

That distance not only is affording the audience a period of mourning, it’s also allowing Callie (played by Sara Ramirez) and Arizona to reboot as individuals. “The best thing the writers could have done, which is what they did for at least these next six episodes, is have [Arizona and Callie] just be on their own,” the actress noted. “They haven’t had to butt up against each other or be sad. They both dove into their own lives and have lived there.”

“In a lot of ways, it harkens back to when Arizona first showed up [in Seattle],”
she went on. “She’s working with Bailey again — Bailey is still putting it to her, and she’s still pushing back; she gets to work with Amelia Shepherd on [the] Dr. Herman [case]; and there’s still Karev, who shows up for her in a very significant way.”

Of course, in time, someone else is almost certain to show up for Arizona and/or Callie — as in a new romantic interest. (Paging Dr. Lauren Boswell? Oh, how we wish.) But perhaps also out of respect for Calzona fans, Capshaw insisted that she wasn’t aware of any new hook-ups on the horizon. (“You have to remember that Callie likes men as well,” she reminds, “so… who knows?”)

One thing of which Capshaw is certain is that the marriage is thoroughly damaged. “[The separation] wasn’t without thought,” she said. “It was very well-explained. They walked [viewers through] every facet of it.”
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Matt's Inside Line: Scoop on Grey's

What’s next for Grey’s Anatomy‘s Meredith/Derek after the way they left things in the fall finale?

I have no idea — repeat, no idea—if the following relates at all to MerDer, but Jessica Capshaw and Camilla Luddington has a blast teasing for me the back half of Season 11. I can’t possibly do the beauties’ banter justice, so here’s a transcript:
JC | There’s such huge stuff coming! And it’s so top-secret we can’t even tell you who it involves.
CL | I’ve been advising wine and tissues.
JC | See, I’ve been advising tequila, but only the good stuff. I have also been saying – and I might need to patent this idea — that you need to get an iPhone-like cover for your flat-screen TV, because you’re going to be throwing stuff.
CL | At the table read, people were crying….. There’s no relaxing. There’s no calm before the storm. It’s just storm. All storm, all the time.
JC | And [Camilla]’s been in her underwear more than all of the past year.
CL | A lot of underwear. A lot of nudity. Seriously.
JC | And remember when I was there while you were in your underwear…?
CL | Teasey!

At that point I got faint, dropped my tape recorder.
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Grey's Anatomy Fans: Don't Rule Out This Baby Storyline Just Yet


Grey’s Anatomy‘s Callie Torres was angling to have a second baby (via adoption), until her already tenuous marriage to Arizona Robbins crumbled to pieces this fall.

And for so long, Owen Hunt lobbied Cristina Yang to start a family, only to be rebuffed every step of the way — right up until his ex-wife left Seattle for greener pastures in Zurich.

Might Callie (who’s bisexual) and Owen, each now quite eligible and regularly working side-by-side at Grey+Sloan, ultimately come together as a couple, and satisfy their common want?

Series creator Shonda Rhimes, when asked if she ever was tempted to pair the characters in part toward that common goal — rather than steer Owen (played by Kevin McKidd) toward Amelia Shepherd, as seems the plan — didn’t rebuff the idea outright. At all.

“I have thought of that — and I don’t know why that is still not a possibility. I don’t know why you think that’s not a possibility,” she answered. “Yeah, we’ve thought of every possibility for Owen and how he can have a baby — believe me.”

The question, though, may be whether Callie (Sara Ramirez) is still itching to give Sofia (her and Arizona’s daughter via the late Mark Sloan) a sibling, now that she is single and gradually getting ready to mingle.

As Season 11 resumes Thursday, Jan. 29, “Callie is trying to figure out who she is, by herself,” Rhimes previews. “That’s her plan, it’s what shes doing, and it’s very charming to watch her try to get back out there and see what it’s like.”
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'Grey's Anatomy': Callie and Arizona Will Explore Dating Other People

"We do it slowly and interestingly, and then we're going to take our little steps," the showrunner tells THR.

When ABC's Grey's Anatomy comes back from its winter hiatus, Callie (Sara Ramirez) and Arizona (Jessica Capshaw) — fresh off their split — are going to be exploring new territory: themselves.

To hear showrunner Shonda Rhimes tell it, the beloved characters journey in the second half of season 11 will be to figure out who they are as individuals now — and where their love for one another goes.

"It's lovely to get to know Arizona not as somebody in a relationship with Callie, and as this person who has come through this relationship with Callie and who she is now," Rhimes tells The Hollywood Reporter. "We're trying to figure out who she is now, and it's interesting to see Callie figure out who she is now."

The Oct. 23 episode delivered a gut punch to Callie and Arizona fans when the former decided it was time to rip off the Band-Aid holding their marriage together and that she'd lost her individuality and needed to reestablish who she was before tending to their relationship.

"When a couple breaks up, I always ask: Where does the love go? It's not like you don't still love the person; the love just doesn't disappear," Rhimes says. "But you can't love the person. It's really great watching them try to figure out how to be friends, how to love each other as friends and co-parents, and how to support each other when the other person needs it without it being weird or without it being too much."

The second half of season 11 will see Callie and Arizona learning how to best interact with each other as friends and as parents to their daughter — as well as dating new people.

"We reach a place where there is an exploration of them dating and getting back out there into the world," Rhimes says. "I didn't want to rush it. I didn't want to throw them at other people because I feel the same as with Owen (Kevin McKidd) — you have to be respectful of the relationship they had. We do it slowly and interestingly, and then we're going to take our little steps. But it's been really fun to put them out there and find people that they're intrigued by."

While it's unclear if the out and proud bisexual Callie will date a man or a woman, Rhimes says she and star Ramirez have had a lot of conversations about the discrimination that the bisexual community often faces.

"I've read a lot about that concept that bisexuality has not had a lot of support. One of my favorite things that we did in the Callie and Arizona episode is Callie announcing that she's bisexual, which by the way, I think nobody has ever done that on television, like 'I'm bisexual,' which I think is crazy," Rhimes says. "I love that she's determinedly bisexual. She's not somebody who is straight who discovers she's a lesbian; she's bisexual and feels very strongly about that. That's been interesting for us to navigate — and the character sticks to it. Arizona was always a little dismissive of that. In the early days of their relationship, the fight they always had was, 'You're taking a tour through being a lesbian and you're going to go back to men.' "

While reconciliation doesn't appear to be in the immediate cards, Rhimes still has high hopes for Callie and Arizona winding up together.

"I'm always rooting for Arizona and Callie to be together," says Rhimes, who notes that she has the couple's wedding cake topper in her office as a keepsake. "For me, I think they're the perfect couple, but that's not to say they're going to be together. For me, they're the perfect couple. It would make me very sad if they were apart. That doesn't mean that they're going to be able to work out their problems and get it together in time, for when ever the show is going to end. But I hope so. If they can, I think it would be amazing. But until they do, there's other people to explore."

As for Arizona, she'll be throwing herself into work and focusing on curing Dr. Herman (Geena Davis) in what Rhimes calls a "really powerful, amazing and beautiful story" between the two characters.

"What's super cool about that is after that huge, momentous occasion, for the next six episodes — which are the only ones I know — we have not focused on Arizona and Callie in their romantic aftermath," Capshaw tells THR. "We've gotten to let the characters be separate but equal, and follow them in the other part of their life — at work — and explore their passions, sense of humor and friendships."
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Grey's Anatomy: Shonda Rhimes on MerDer's 'Intense' Obstacles, Two Docs' 'Wonderful Journey' and More

SOMETHING ‘WONDERFUL’ | Jackson wasn’t the only Grey+SloanGrey's Anatomy Spoilers doc to get a shocking earful in the midseason finale. Arizona — having duped Dr. Herman’s medical records into her possession – learned from a consult with Amelia that her mentor’s brain tumor is not necessarily fatal. Of course, to share that news with Herman will require Arizona copping to her snooping. “It’s going to be really interesting watch what happens” on that front, Rhimes says, adding that as a result, “We definitely get more of Geena Davis” (as Dr. Herman). “Arizona and Dr. Herman end up having a wonderful journey together in this back half of the season.”

Speaking of Arizona and journeys, estranged wife Callie will be on one of her own, “trying to figure out who she is by herself,” Rhimes previews. “[Finding herself] was sort of her plan, and it’s very charming to watch her try to get back out there and see what it’s like — and how to figure out how to be a friend with Arizona.”
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Spoiler Room: Scoop on Grey's

Are Callie and Arizona really going to be dating other people on Grey’s Anatomy?

Alas, it’s true—but it’s not going to happen right away. “I really was resistant to the idea of sticking them together with somebody else,” executive producer Shonda Rhimes tells me. “We’re just reaching the point in our storytelling—episode 13 or 14 in the scripts—and they’re actually starting to date other people and figure out what that is. But that part is just beginning. I am still a staunch believer that they can figure it out. I’m not saying they’re going to, but I am one of their fans as a couple because I love their story together. I love who they are together. I want them to work out their crap and get it together.” Me too, Shonda—me too.
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Grey's Anatomy - Episode 11.09 - Where Do We Go From Here - Press Release

ON ABC'S "GREY'S ANATOMY" (1/29)
MEREDITH AND APRIL ARE BUSINESS AS USUAL AT THE HOSPITAL DESPITE TURMOIL IN THEIR PERSONAL LIVES, ON ABC’S “GREY’S ANATOMY”

Guest Starring Geena Davis (“Thelma & Louise”) and Kelly McCreary (“Dr. Emily Owens, MD”)

“Where Do We Go From Here” – As Derek prepares for his move to DC, Meredith keeps herself busy at the hospital. Meanwhile, Jackson and April deal with difficult news, and Arizona and Amelia discuss how to best approach Dr. Herman, on “Grey’s Anatomy,” THURSDAY, JANUARY 29 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.

“Grey’s Anatomy” stars Ellen Pompeo as Meredith Grey, Patrick Dempsey as Derek Shepherd, Justin Chambers as Alex Karev, Chandra Wilson as Miranda Bailey, James Pickens, Jr. as Richard Webber, Sara Ramirez as Callie Torres, Kevin McKidd as Owen Hunt, Jessica Capshaw as Arizona Robbins, Jesse Williams as Jackson Avery, Sarah Drew as April Kepner, Caterina Scorsone as Amelia Shepherd, Camilla Luddington as Jo Wilson, and Jerrika Hinton as Stephanie Edwards.
Guest cast TBA.

“Where Do We Go From Here” was written by Meg Marinis and directed by Debbie Allen.
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'Grey's Anatomy' boss teases new doctors and new relationships

When Grey’s Anatomy returns, some doctors may be on the rocks, while others will be finding new relationships—oh, and there will also be some new doctors coming to Grey Sloan Memorial, according to executive producer Shonda Rhimes, who gives EW a rundown of what’s in store for the second half of the season:

Callie (Sara Ramirez) and Arizona (Jessica Capshaw) are working on finding themselves separately, so what can you tease of their story lines in the second half of the season? Will we see some new love interests?
Rhimes: Right when we started the second half of the season, I really was resistant to the idea of sticking them together with somebody else. As sensitive as I am about just sticking Owen [Kevin McKidd] with somebody is how sensitive I am about sticking Arizona or Callie with somebody. But I love playing: where does the love go? If you break up with somebody, it’s not like you don’t love them anymore. They’re right there. There’s a lot of the pull of who they are together now. Are they friends? What’s that mean? Are they still there for one another in times of need? Arizona is really focused on her education that she’s getting from Dr. Herman [Geena Davis] and that grows more intense as time goes by and turns into a really amazing story. Geena Davis is incredible. Her focus is really there. Callie’s focus is really on trying to grow herself. We’re just reaching the point in our storytelling—and I will tell you I’m on episode 13 or 14 in the scripts, not in the shooting—and they’re actually starting to date other people and figure out what that is, but that part is just beginning.

As a Calzona fan, that makes me nervous.
Rhimes: It makes me nervous too. I have to tell you, it makes me nervous too. I am still a staunch believer that they can figure it out. I’m not saying they’re going to, but I am one of their fans as a couple because I love their story together. I love who they are together. I want them to work out their crap and get it together.

Somebody we know or somebody we’re going to meet?
Rhimes: We need some more boys, I feel, so we’re bringing in some men.

New doctors?
Rhimes: Possibly. I’m not saying that these new doctors are going to be new series regulars. I’m just saying we need an infusion of men. Suddenly I was like, “We have a lot of chicks and don’t have anybody to date.” Also, Bailey [Chandra Wilson] and Ben [Jason George] are having some really interesting struggles as a couple, and that’s going to be interesting.
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Is There Hope For Calzona on Grey's Anatomy? Jessica Capshaw on the Fate of the Fan-Favorite Romance

It's a tough time to be a Calzona fan. The Grey's Anatomy fan-favorite couple of Callie (Sara Ramirez) and Arizona (Jessica Capshaw) have had more than a few seasons worth of heartbreak and struggles, and it all culminated in an official breakup before the ABC show went on winter break.

But in the wise words of executive producer and all-around kick-ass TV boss Shonda Rhimes, "Anything is possible." So is there hope for these two to get back together in the future, despite how bleak their chances might seem as of now?

We took that question straight to Capshaw herself, but her answer isn't as optimistic as we hoped it would be.

"I don't know," Capshaw tells E! News. "I really don't know, so I can't even say that I'm hiding a secret!"

While Capshaw knows that a Calzona breakup may not be what the fans wanted, she knows that it's what the characters needed. "I hope that the episode just really showed that they needed [to break up]," Capshaw says. "They got to a place where they were so stuck and so broken that the only way to go was to be apart."

Press play on the video above now to see what else Capshaw has to say about Calzona and what's coming up for Arizona this season!
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