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| FinalHeaven | Feb 12 2015, 06:13 PM Post #1 |
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Here you can discuss why you ship CloTi!!
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| Crusty OG Fanboy | Jun 13 2015, 11:00 PM Post #31 |
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I can't really say I'm a shipper mainly due to the fact that the only romantic couple I give a shit about are Cloud and Tifa being together. Here's what brought me to liking them together. To make a long story short, I only started supporting a relationship between these two based on the evidence of their feelings for each other. I only began getting emotionally invested in it when I finished the game. As for details on how that happened, read on. The instruction manual made mention of a "love triangle", "childhood friends", and "strong feelings" but I failed to give a shit about it. All I cared about was running around as the dude with the huge-ass sword and meeting the woman with the awesome titties. Then of course my first encounter with Tifa turned my expectations of her upside down, crumbled them into dust, and tossed them into an incinerator and she ended up being my favorite character ever, but I digress. Anyway, nearly anything that could have possibly be interpreted as a romantic gesture I simply did not give a fuck about. I was more concerned about whatever the hell the scary man was trying to accomplish as he was making a trail of corpses. I did raise my eyebrow a bit during Tifa's date scene (it was the first date scene I saw and I didn't know there were alternates until I saw Aeris's date during my second playthrough). I felt sorry for her as she tried and failed to tell Cloud of her crush on him. Of course, it turned out to be WAY deeper than that, as I learned when the Mideel-Lifestream sequence happened. I saw a woman with an intense loyalty and love for this man, and I found out that the man in question had a deep, resounding love for the woman. That whole plot twist with Cloud is still one of my favorites in video games. After things calmed down and everyone went back to business, I remember thinking to myself "So that 'love triangle' amounted to nothing. One of them was never in the running in the first place, and she died. Welp, time to continue with the Huge Materia quests." I didn't think too much about the state of Cloud and Tifa's relationship until their night under the stars. As they were having a heart-to-heart, I recalled wondering whether or not anyone else would come back. I also thought about how much these two people must have meant to each other. I have to admit that I raised an eyebrow and went "...Huh..." when Tifa said THE WORDS. "Cloud... Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking..." After that, I saw a visible silence from Cloud and a fade to black. "Oh shit! Are they? Is this what I think they're doing? They wouldn't do a transition like that unless they're implying what I think's going on! You lucky motherfuckers! Well, it is the 'end of the world' too." Tifa's agitated reaction on the Highwind pretty much confirmed what I was thinking, and I did a double-thumbs up! Then Meteor came down and all the humans died. Maybe. I just recall thinking myself clamoring for more after the end of the game. I also thought that this really was the "greatest game ever made." As the years went by and I read some fanfics here and there, I found myself thinking "I wonder what would Tifa and Cloud be up to nowadays? I hope they're having lots of sex. Maybe they've gotten married by now? I wonder how long it took them to get that far after the whole thing with Meteor--I imagine that it would have taken years to clean up that mess and rebuild. This is of course assuming that the humans survived at the end. What are they doing to make money?" Then Advent Children was announced in 2003. "FUCKING YES! YES! I CANNOT WAIT TO SEE HI-RES VERSIONS OF THEM ALL! Oh god...oh god...this means that we'll get to see Tifa and her smoking hotness in high resolution! And Cloud will be stabbing motherfuckers in hi-res! And Tifa will be punching idiots in hi-res! And Barret will be all 'Marlene, don't worry daddy's here!' in hi-res! AND MORE FINAL FANTASY VII OH YESSSSS" Yeah, I was 14-years-old again. Then Advent Children actually came out. The only things I really liked about it were cool battles, especially the final one against Sephiroth, and the fact that Cloud and Tifa's romantic relationship was down-to-earth and was going through a rough patch any real relationship would have. It also further reinforced how much I liked Tifa because she remained the sweet, loving, and demure woman I recalled from the game, but with positive character development that had her being assertive with her feelings without being aggressive. I personally thought she could have been more harsh with Cloud. The guy did abandon his family for awhile (motivated out of love, rather than maliciousness, but still.) When the Ultimanias came out and I saw translations of it in various places on the internet, they pretty much confirmed what I already knew based on what the game presented me. I didn't even know there was a "love triangle debate" until AC came out. I knew of the existence of Cloud/Aeris fanfics but I never read them because "She's dead? Why are there fanfics of this?" It wasn't until 2005 that found out that Cloti/Cleris/Clerith/CxT/CxA (and whatever the hell else is/was used) was even a thing. I recall thinking "Why the fuck is there even a debate on this shit? Aerith is dead, and she was never in the running! Check out the Lifestream scenes in the original game, unless you've never played the ori...oh. Oh, god. No...no...AAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHH!" I probably would have ended up encountering "FILTHY FUCKING SECONDARIES" (as 4chan would call them) so I decided to have no part of that. Anyway, this has been pretty long, so I guess I'll end it here. Edited by Crusty OG Fanboy, Jun 13 2015, 11:02 PM.
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| Cloud_and_Tifa | Jun 14 2015, 02:39 AM Post #32 |
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@Crusty OG Fanboy, Same. I wasn't aware that there was even a love triangle until I actually read it off of the Ultimanias. Even then, it's not much of a difference. Cloti is endgame; they grew up, maybe not as friends but as neighbors, they didn't really talk much until Cloud called her up to the water tower. They had something going on but then Cloud left to join SOLDIER to become a hero and impress Tifa as well as prove that he's worth of protecting her and then there's that mess with the Mako poisoning and him being in a tube for four years and then reuniting with Tifa and eventually meeting Aerith... Basically, Cloud and Tifa started out together whether they weren't really together together and they ended up meeting other people (Cloud and Aerith because she was a potential lover) but it's the fact that Cloud and Tifa ended up together again despite all the crap they went through. And hell yeah, they're both loyal to each other. They'd risk their own lives if it meant saving the other. Cloud left his family because he didn't want them to know he had Geostigma and that his death would cause nothing but grief. It's the same as Tifa not telling Cloud the truth in VII about what really happened in the Nibelheim Incident. Lie to the ones you love to protect them. And they must love each other a lot to go to extreme lengths. Oh for the love triangle, it's that whole love beyond death concept that Clerith shippers find appealing. 'Cause in AC, Aerith is still connected to Cloud even after she's dead. I'm guessing it's the unconditional love they both share but they never really explained why they're able to communicate however I'm guessing it has something to do with Aerith being an Ancient. It's disgusting imo. I prefer Cloud's fake persona than the one where he's all depressed in Advent Children. That is NOT how he was at the end of the game!Hmm, I remember reading that post on tumblr where you talked about VII and how your expectations of Tifa were completely different. Funny how things don't always appear what they look like. |
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| strifehart | Jun 18 2015, 12:18 AM Post #33 |
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@crusty og fanboy That was me exactly my first time through!!!!! Except I was looking forward to meeting Tifa cuz she seemed cool and looked super pretty and had the same hairstyle as my original fave Garnet from FFIX I didn't care much for the romance either way whether it was Cloti or Clerith. I did enjoy the softer more sublte Cloti scenes in disc 1. They were very heartwarming and pure, since the two of them are not very forward about such things, and I preferred and related to that kind of interaction rather than the over flirting from Aerith. Neither way is bad, I grew to love Squall x Rinoa as a pairing, although in that case, Squall began reciprocating later. It wasn't until the Lifestream sequence where I was like... omg... these guys have DEEP feelings for each other. It was mutual all along! The love triangle was just something silly, this was the big plot reveal. It was just meant to distract us. It was a major light bulb moment. My heart was racing playing that scene, the climax of the game really, wanting to know the truth behind the mystery. I was content with their mutual feelings after that. I'm not picky when it comes to what I get from couples I like, and FF has always been more subtle and sweet with the exception of FFVIII and FFX when it came to romances. When the Highwind scene came along I was like OMG THIS IS REALLY HAPPENING. Tifa's reaction afterwards... I didn't understand it at first... but when I looked online I was like *blushes* the poor girl how embarrassing! I was really young and innocent when I played the game the first time around, I seriously didn't even know how sex worked lmao. But I figured, whatever this sex thing is, Cloud and Tifa had it LOL. One mistake I made was google about it after I finished the game. It was before Cloti fandom had really mobilized, and I got a gigantic 10 page Clerith essay as a search result. I read bits of it, and the end of it, it effectively ruined the ending for me for years. Just because the way they had Clerith, made it that Cloud rejected Tifa at the end and Tifa is just nothing. ![]() It wasn't until years later when I came back to the fandom that I realized the extent of how horrible the LTD is. Luckily I came across the nice essay from TLS and it helped to ease any fears. And also danseru-kun's essays on tumblr after a couple more years ![]() Additionally, I ended up finding about about ACC replacing AC not that long ago. That movie really helped as well since it gave equal importance to Zack as to Aerith, so I didn't really doubt Cloti. I wouldn't really have doubted Cloti if it weren't for that ridiculous essay I read 10 years ago though *anger* |
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| I_Am_Justice | Jun 18 2015, 12:24 AM Post #34 |
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@ogcrusty fanboy It's not even a debate. It's just cleriths yelling about how Cloud loves Aerith so much that it's romantic he left Denzel to be with her, that he hates Tifa, that he only cares about Aerith because apparently what happened with him and his hometown doesn't compare. And calling Cloti's delusional for actually thinking that Cloud cares for Tifa more than a friend. |
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| FinalHeaven | Apr 1 2016, 12:04 PM Post #35 |
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Just wanted to bump this thread again with another reason for me, I love how they are so subtle about their romance >///< I don't know if you see those kinds of people who throw there relationship all over social media? You know the ones with them pretty much dry humping and making out lol? I've learned that those kinds of people typically have the worst type of relationship and it's very toxic. My boyfriend and I are similar to cloti in the sense we're subtle. People know we are together and tell us they can tell how much we love each other by the way we look at one another. I feel like cloud and tifa keep their problems to themselves and work stuff out themselves without everyone being involved. It's just so mature. I think that's why I like them so much better than clerith; there's maturity. Every adult relationship (that is healthy) can relate. You don't have to tell everyone about everything you and your SO other do. There's so much realism with those two and they don't play games either, they are honest with each other and it's so refreshing. Don't mind me, just rambling ^-^ |
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| StarlightRiu | Apr 6 2016, 01:53 AM Post #36 |
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k this is seriously my first post in this forum so don't mind me :') the main reason why cloti is like LITERALLY my ultimate otp is because of how strongly dedicated they are to each other and i think that's enough for me to think that they really love each other, romantic or not :') but i should also consider in my personal opinion that tifa deserves cloud more than anyone and just anything in the game and no, no, i don't care too much about whether the cloti ship is realistic, super cute, a perfect match, idek but i ship my pairs if they just do so much for each other (but some extra points for matching personalities and chemistry lol). even though cloud is my most favorite ff7 character, tifa's role and character in the game and advent children is just so admirable for me. just hear me out; i love most definitely love someone who's always there by my side, who helped my broken self to be pieced back together and supported me even when i was the lowest of the low. that, y'all, is my girl tifa did for cloudy. :'))) i do ship zack/cloud/aerith as an ot3 or a brot3 but i honestly can't stand tifa being paired with anyone except cloud because i love how my girl will ONLY love my blonde boy and no one else and just like geez this otp :'))))))) |
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| Sesiyrus | May 19 2016, 10:51 AM Post #37 |
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Other than being canon, and me being a snob about canon and really only debating in favor of such, they really are objectively... Lovely, really. Well let's start at the basics, at personal reasons and beginnings. I liked Tifa the most right away, that's a fair thing to say. She was sweet, gentle, feminine, demure, beautiful, soft spoken, the first girl you meet in a game or setting like a rotting slum, who's like that? I don't know, something about it really set the stage. The soft sound of Tifa's theme, Barret and the slum people already teasing Cloud about what's obviously between them, then the whole tender childhood friend setup before they ring you down the rabbit hole in Disc 2. They've always felt fated to me. Fate is the best way to describe them, their love was inevitable nothing or no one could have stopped it no matter how hard they weedled or pried. Tifa would always be the only one Cloud cares about what they think of him, still have been so good to him that he didnt even know what to say, and still only open his heart to who? Tifa (and no one else this is stated very explicitly, so if it isn't Tifa sorry but its NO ONE because no one is closer to Clouds heart, boom. done. checkmate.) Opening your heart, your entire being, is hard to do. I've only done that sort of thing with one person. Trusted them with everything, trusted them with it all. It's very intimate it's not the sort of bond you could have with someone after having known them less than a month I'll tell you that, even a full year isn't enough time depending on the kind of demons you carry. How deeply Cloud Strife loves and trusts Tifa is why I support it SO much, it would be one thing if it was just highly implied Cloud was her love, because of course I'd wish and support for my favorite femme to have what she desires, but it's also the fact that it's also what my favorite male character wants as well, that makes shipping them such an easy decision. They want to be together, they are good together, they are STRONGER together, I mean how beautiful is that? I can relate a lot of my own personal life romance and experience to Cloti, particularly how long it can take to finally get there, feel comfortable and safe with it all, and like it won't all just shatter and end suddenly. Trying to find comfort in a similarly tortured soul who shares the same sins, regrets, nightmares. I can relate to that aspect of Cloti quite well, actually. They look like they have such a deep, deep understanding of the other, a beautiful familiarity that comes only with great time and affection between two people. Something precious thats been cultivated between two hearts for who knows how long? It's ... More than words can describe. I don't know what more to say, modern expression fails to accurately convey just how both objectively and subjectively sublime their love truly is. Edited by Sesiyrus, Mar 2 2017, 02:03 PM.
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| linafreya | Mar 3 2017, 09:40 AM Post #38 |
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I always liked Aerith a lot and she inspired me to be a better person throughout my life. I didn't quite understand Tifa's character, though. I first played FF7 as a child and I think there are things I still learn about the game up to this day. I'm replaying it for the 12837198371th time and I still see new things about it. I've grown up through the years, with Final Fantasy VII by my side. And as I became more mature, I learned to understand Tifa's character more and more. I found out I didn't understand her or Cloti because I was too immature. I'm not saying other shippers are immature for not shipping them, this is my personal "struggle". Anyway... When I had my first boyfriend I learned what it feels like to fully dedicate yourself to someone you love with your whole heart. And sometimes we want to fix things for them, because we love them, but we can't do that. That's up to them. Since my boyfriend at the time was no Cloud Strife, we broke up because of that. But the experienced opened my eyes to understand Tifa's selflessness when it comes to her love, and how helpless we are when fixing things are not up to us, or beyond our control (like Cloud's memory). Tifa and Cloud's romance is realistic, while Cloud and Aerith's is (in my eyes) idealized. And because they were so ideal, they just always made sense to me. But that's not how life is, life is like Tifa and Cloud. Growing together, unspoken words, wrong timing (as in when Tifa finally began to notice him, he left lol and it was BECAUSE he wanted her to notice him), patience, sacrifice, taking and giving. |
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but they never really explained why they're able to communicate however I'm guessing it has something to do with Aerith being an Ancient. It's disgusting imo. I prefer Cloud's fake persona than the one where he's all depressed in Advent Children. That is NOT how he was at the end of the game!







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