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Amendment- Moving Inspector and The Tourism Agency to the Department of the Interior
Topic Started: Jan 2 2018, 12:49 PM (188 Views)
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I just thought about this some time ago, but I feel like it makes more sense for the Inspector to report to the Department of the Interior rather than the Judges. It makes more sense for the office to gather evidence to be presented rather than to work immediately for the judges and only gather evidence when needed. Everything else could stay the same, carrying out warrants from the Judges or PM, gathering evidence for prosecution. All that will change is who they report to, and where they are listed in the dispatch. It just makes more sense to me that way. However, for the first time in a long time, I am having trouble coming up with the right way to word this amendment, so I will continue to think over the wording, but anybody else who wishes to help could also attempt something, that would be wonderful.

As always, use this thread to discuss the amendment proposal. I'll be happy to answer any and all questions you may have, but unfortunately, the actual amendment won't be done and won't be a focus of mine for quite some time.


(the irony is not lost on me that I campaigned for a position that I almost immediately called useless)
Edited by Momo, Jan 2 2018, 04:11 PM.
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The problem I have with this idea is this: the inspector working for the judges exclusively makes more sense. They deal with the law and have most need of evidence. Besides, the inspector gathering evidence all the time is vital to his purpose. He is supposed to investigate and uncover crimes. Only gathering evidence when needed is pointless, since those that accuse people of crimes are supposed to provide the needed evidence. He works just like a police detective, gathering evidence to convict or not convict a suspect. The way you propose him to work would be contrary to how he was supposed to work. His main purpose was to gather sufficient evidence against a suspect and then officially accuse him. And, if someone does accuse someone, he will gather more evidence or confirm questionable evidence. Working directly with those who issue warrants facilitates the inspector's job. That's my take on it, I don't know what others may think.
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"The problem I have with this idea is this: the inspector working for the judges exclusively makes more sense." This is utterly incorrect. You don't let the person analyzing evidence be the same group that is looking for it. That's the reason that police and judges are different branches of government in real life.

The rest of your argument makes it seem like you didn't even read my post. I said the only thing that changes is who he reports to, because it makes more sense for somebody charged with monitoring residents and uncovering crime to work under the department of the interior than the Judicial department. I said it makes more sense to "gather evidence to be presented rather than to ... only gather evidence when needed"and you said "Only gathering evidence when needed is pointless" while trying to argue against me.
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To further explain why it makes more sense for the inspector to work for the MODA, the judges cannot act until somebody formally prosecutes, and I don't even see Inspector anywhere under the formal Conch Code, it's just listed in random places and then described with the other positions. By extension, since the judicial part of the Conch government can only work when somebody is formally prosecuted, this should extend to the current office of Inspector as well, since there is no formal writing saying the inspector is exempt from this part of the judicial department. Under the Department of the Interior, it wouldn't have those limitations, and could act with the might of the MODA behind it and then formally prosecute for the court. That allows all the branches to do their jobs, rather than how the department of the interior is kinda pointless at this point. It's just a banner head for the 4 positions that fall under it, especially with departments of journalism and tourism no longer being under it, but their own separate branches. Those were originally part of the MODA's job.
Edited by Momo, Jan 2 2018, 02:20 PM.
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To answer your point about "there is no formal writing saying the inspector is exempt from this part of the judicial department. "
Under Inspector, number 3, section a, one could argue that this sentence does allow the inspector to act before any formal complaint is lodged. Especially considering that the next section provides a course of action when a formal complaint is lodged.
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Even that sentence does not say that, granted we are looking at the same place. It says "To uncover, gather evidence against, and prosecute crime within the region." but it never says anything about when to investigate something. You could not argue that line releases the inspector, because that line does not say that it does.
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The way I see it, though, there are only two choices we can make. Either give the MODA and DotI more meaning, or do away with it entirely. The MODA's tasks are appointing 4 officials, who could just as easily be appointed by somebody else, create a public office, which every official has to do, and "Composing and distributing region-wide announcements", which every other official seems to do on their own and seems to be a more journalism task anyway. By removing the Tourism Agency and Journalism from the Department of the Interior, we have effectively made the skeletal remains of that position and entire department pointless.
Edited by Momo, Jan 2 2018, 03:34 PM.
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Here's a thought. Why don't we absorb the TA into the DotI? We don't have a DoTA and that department hasn't really ever been incredibly instrumental. Besides, the MoDA is supposed to be in charge of the interior affairs, and I think that should be extended to welcoming newcomers and recruitment as well as planning events and region-wide games.

I do agree that we have spread our government rather thin. Whereas the pre-convention positions would have been overwhelmed if they were expected to fulfill all the duties attached to the job, now there is barely anything for them to do. We have yet to find the perfect balance.
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Jan 2 2018, 03:54 PM
Here's a thought. Why don't we absorb the TA into the DotI? We don't have a DoTA and that department hasn't really ever been incredibly instrumental. Besides, the MoDA is supposed to be in charge of the interior affairs, and I think that should be extended to welcoming newcomers and recruitment as well as planning events and region-wide games.

I do agree that we have spread our government rather thin. Whereas the pre-convention positions would have been overwhelmed if they were expected to fulfill all the duties attached to the job, now there is barely anything for them to do. We have yet to find the perfect balance.
I would be infavor of dissolving the TA. We could move Chief Recruitment Officer to be under the MoDA. RMB Communications Officer should probably be gotten rid of, perhaps Event Planner as well?
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It was removed for a reason, though I can't think of why. I still believe it makes more sense for inspector to be under MODA as well though. As you said, MODA is supposed to be in charge of the interior affairs (though it's actually internal affairs, but close enough), and investigating residents of crimes is an internal affair. Investigation is not judicial, it's executive. We, however, have two executive branches of government, the Administrative with MODA and MOFA, and the Executive with the PM, MOJ and DoTA. Of those two, placing it under MODA makes the most sense
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