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| JustinVuong | December 14, 2014, 10:36 pm Post #1 |
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Before your country can officially take part in the Altverse community, you must first go through the application process. Before you apply, make sure to read the Rules and the official page. In addition, you must provide a link to the main article of the country you plan to be using. Although strongly encouraged but not required, the article should be of decent length that provides sufficient information about the country. Be prepared to make the necessary changes to your country before it can be deemed a part of Altverse. Under no circumstance may you add your nation, claim your nation is part of, or otherwise insert information that may give the impression that your country is in any shape or form connected to Altverse and/or its material until you have been given explicit approval from the community consensus/moderator.
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| Dog of War | March 7, 2015, 2:45 pm Post #111 |
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The sheer logistics would be a nightmare. The partition was mainly a cock up on the British end, and they only partitioned India after it became clear that it could no longer be a colony. The British would not bother to oversee peacefully, as they only gave up their most valuable colony after it became apparent it was more trouble then it was worth, meaning they could not pre-plan this. It would always be a human rights disaster unless India gained independence from conflict - which would result in at least one genocide. |
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| Dev271 | March 8, 2015, 1:37 am Post #112 |
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Ok so you want for the Muslims to move out with violence then ok but they will have to move out |
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| Zabuza825 | March 8, 2015, 5:07 pm Post #113 |
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I also have a number of issues with your thing. First off, you say "Nobody followed Gandhi" in your Wiki page. I just don't see how that's possible. Gandhi was too big an influence in India at the time for people to just not listen to him. So, either he never existed (which would mean the Indian independence movement would either not have as much steam or be a very, very violent revolution) or people still listened to him. Secondly, you don't seem to understand the history behind the Jammu & Kashmir dispute. The ruler of that area was a Hindu ruling over a Muslim majority population. Because the area was Muslim majority, Pakistan expected the ruler of Jammu & Kashmir to join Pakistan. The ruler instead joined India, leading Pakistan to intervene, which led India to intervene, causing the two states to go to war. I would like to point out that when Jammu & Kashmir joined India, the ruler did not want to join India. Instead he wanted Jammu & Kashmir to become an independent state. However, circumstances forced him to join India. These circumstances were that there were Muslims from Pakistan fighting to overthrow the ruler of Jammu & Kashmir, and the ruler needed military assistance. However, due to a treaty India couldn't intervene unless there was evidence of the Pakistani government being involved (which there was none, as far as people could tell the Pakistani's were acting without the government) or for Jammu & Kashmir to join India. Desperately needing military assistance, the ruler chose to join India. Pakistan, which expected the region to join Pakistan since it was Muslim majority, immediately acted and caused a war, and has since been claiming the territory as it's own. Furthermore, China also claims parts of Jammu & Kashmir as it's own (claiming it as Aksai Chin on the basis that the British were wrong when they drew up the border), claiming it is an extension of Tibet. It's not a simple India v Pakistan dispute, it's India v Pakistan and China (Pakistan and China settled their disputes, though mainly for the reason to put more pressure on India). The whole Jammu & Kashmir things is very complicated, you're trying to fix it with a simple solution. I'm not sure how realistic that is. There are reasons that Jammu & Kashmir joined India rather than Pakistan. Unless you want to address the underlying reasons I don't see how this would be realistic. Seeing that you only have one-liners in your nations wiki page, I'm not sure if this is ever going to be resolved. |
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| Dev271 | March 9, 2015, 12:25 am Post #114 |
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Zabuza do you think I am a fool I know all about what you have written about J&K. In here Pak doesnt intervene so JK joins Pak but in the Jammu Division, there was a holy Indian shrine namely Vaishno Devi and that part didnt even have a Muslim majority so due to the demands of Hindus the Jammu Division was given to India. Secondly China conquered Tibet after 1950 so they wont have been having any problem or they would have went to war with Pak. There was already violence before 1947 so the violence grew even after independence and till 1950 the Indian Muslims felt insecured to even move ou of their homes, so they went to Pak. I will change the history a bit |
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| Dog of War | March 9, 2015, 2:33 am Post #115 |
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Why do they have to move out? India has a pretty large Muslim population. The only way to move all of them out would be forcible deportation - like what Joseph Stalin did, and I would doubt you want the first leader of India to resemble Joseph Stalin. |
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| JustinVuong | March 9, 2015, 11:34 pm Post #116 |
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My sentiments are with my fellow peers here on this issue. |
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| Dev271 | March 10, 2015, 3:01 am Post #117 |
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Well I said they will have to move out to make this India in country and not a leader like Stalin, like I made the new kind of history in my above reply. And not all of them I dont have any problem having a 2 or 3% Muslim minority but I dont want to have more than 5% of em. They moved out before 1950 in this case. Edited by Dev271, March 10, 2015, 3:04 am.
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| Zabuza825 | March 10, 2015, 4:26 am Post #118 |
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Actually, you're displaying a misunderstanding of the political situation again here. Firstly, to address the whole "China didn't conquer Tibet until the 1950's" argument, if you ask China they did not "conquer" Tibet in the 1950's. They instead claim that they merely put down a rebellion. China maintains that Tibet has been and always has been part of China since ancient times, so conquering Tibet in the 1950's has nothing to do with China's claim to Jammu & Kashmir. That merely just allowed the Chinese government to enter into direct conflict with India. Now I'm not saying this is actually what the history of Tibet is, mainly because what the history of Tibet is depends entirely on the political views of the historian that you ask (pro-China ones will generally agree with the Chinese government that Tibet was merely a part of China in rebellion, pro-Tibet ones will generally agree with you that Tibet was conquered in the 1950's). I'm merely stating that this is what the Chinese saw it as. This is what they saw it as when they invaded Tibet in the 1950's, and this is what they see it as today. They merely believed, and still do believe, that they were reclaiming a part of China from rebel armies in one of the concluding campaigns of the Chinese Civil War. As for the whole "China would have gone to war with Pakistan" thing, China and Pakistan began negotiations on settling their side of the dispute in 1962. These negotiations concluded in a settlement in 1963. Until then, China and Pakistan had a territorial dispute. However, China and Pakistan was not at war. And neither was China and India. The Sino-Indian War, which broke out over control of not only Aksai Chin but also for control of Arunachal Pradesh, occurred in late 1962. The same year that China and Pakistan began negotiations that eventually led to the settlement of their border disputes. Furthermore, you seem to be ignoring one crucial detail in your whole plan in explaining why Jammu & Kashmir joined Pakistan rather than India. The ruler of Jammu & Kashmir wanted Jammu & Kashmir to become an independent state. The only reason why he joined India is because he required military assistance from India because Pakistani militants were coming through the border. If these Pakistani militants never crossed into Jammu and Kashmir why would the ruler of Jammu & Kashmir join either India or Pakistan? Without a reason otherwise, surely he would have elected to not join either one of them (India or Pakistan, take your pick) in an attempt to become an independent and sovereign nation? I have no problems with you solving the dispute, but for India and Pakistan (and to a lesser extent China) this is a rather important topic as it involved many major foreign policy decisions. You're just trying to gloss over it with simple one-to-two-line explanations. I'm sorry, but if you want to convince me I'm going to need to see more detail. Also, you have not addressed the problem I have with people not listening to Gandhi. |
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| Dog of War | March 10, 2015, 11:02 am Post #119 |
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Why would all the Muslims move out of India without the majority Hindu population using direct force? Your history makes Pakistan into a weaker state then it is today, which would mean moving there would be a stupid idea as India seems a much better place to live. Unless there is mass discrimination against Muslims comparable to Republika Srpska's attitudes towards Bosnian Muslims in 1995 why would they move from India? |
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| Dev271 | March 12, 2015, 2:59 am Post #120 |
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The Hindus and the Sikhs will become violent against the Muslims, burning their ghettos and pelting them with stones whenever they see one in the 1946-1950 period, well one of my friends in Lucknow told me when they lived in a muslim dominated areas he told that the Hindus would take bricks and throw them at Muslims and vice versa and rapes of women during Ramzan, and this kind of violence often happens today too, so when India became newly independent it didnt have control over its LO orgs so the violence spread and they eventually had to leave due to the threat to their lives. And they move before 1951, so there wont be a problem of nukes. In the JK issue India goes to war with China in 1962 over AP and Sikkim. Secondly Menon and Vallbhai Patel forced the princely states to join. In the case of Hyderabad or Operation Polo the Indian armed forces invaded Hyderabad and overthrewThe Hindus and the Sikhs will become violent against the Muslims, burning their ghettos and pelting them with stones whenever they see one in the 1946-1950 period, well one of my friends in Lucknow told me when they lived in a muslim dominated areas he told that the Hindus would take bricks and throw them at Muslims and vice versa and rapes of women during Ramzan, and this kind of violence often happens today too, so when India became newly independent it didnt have control over its LO orgs so the violence spread and they eventually had to leave due to the threat to their lives. And they move before 1951, so there wont be a problem of nukes. In the JK issue India goes to war with China in 1962 over AP and Sikkim. Secondly Menon and Vallbhai Patel forced the princely states to join. In the case of Hyderabad or Operation Polo the Indian armed forces invaded Hyderabad and overthrew |
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