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JustinVuong
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Before your country can officially take part in the Altverse community, you must first go through the application process. Before you apply, make sure to read the Rules and the official page. In addition, you must provide a link to the main article of the country you plan to be using. Although strongly encouraged but not required, the article should be of decent length that provides sufficient information about the country. Be prepared to make the necessary changes to your country before it can be deemed a part of Altverse. Under no circumstance may you add your nation, claim your nation is part of, or otherwise insert information that may give the impression that your country is in any shape or form connected to Altverse and/or its material until you have been given explicit approval from the community consensus/moderator.

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[center][b]Your Country Name[/b][/center]
[list]
[*][b][url=http://www.conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Your_Country_Name]Link[/url][/b]
[*][b]Real World Countries and Land Claimed[/b]:
[*][b]Why you want to join[/b]:
[*][b]Have you read everything concerning Altverse?[/b]: (Y/N)
[*][b]Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?[/b]: (Y/N)
[*][b]Other[/b]: Your additional comments here.
[/list]


Example
Kingdom of Sierra

  • Link
  • Real World Countries and Land Claimed: California, Nevada, Arizona, Baja California, Baja California Sur, Sonora, Hawaiian Islands, American Samoa, Easter Island, Kiribati
  • Why you want to join: I really enjoy collaborating with others and I want to have fun.
  • Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Y
  • Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Y
  • Other: This is just an example but I'd like to point out that you can also provide links to other important pages related to your country to enhance understanding. Links to the government page, flags, or military are great.
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In the JK issue India goes to war with China in 1962 over AP and Sikkim. Secondly Menon and Vallbhai Patel forced the princely states to join. In the case of Hyderabad or Operation Polo the Indian armed forces invaded Hyderabad and overthrew


I'm not sure where your trying to go with this.

First of, Operation Polo WAS the Indian invasion of Hyderabad, so I'm not sure what you're talking about when you say "Hyderabad or Operation Polo" since the two events you are referring too are in fact one and the same.

Secondly, the whole Hyderabad thing is irrelevant because we are referring to Jammu & Kashmir unless you plan on somehow tying India's hard stance against the Balkanization of India into the reason why Jammu & Kashmir joined Pakistan.

Thirdly, the use of force was limited to a few states. Yes, there were many states that were hesitant to join either India or Pakistan, but when time came to sign the Instrument of Accession the vast majority of them chose between India and Pakistan. In fact, the vast majority of the time I see force being used, it is when a Muslim ruler over a majority-Hindu province attempts to accede to Pakistan or negotiate a better deal with Pakistan. I hope you can see why the Indian government would have problems with a Hindu-majority Princely State joining Pakistan.

I still see no reason why Jammu & Kashmir would join Pakistan. Furthermore, your assertation that India used force to get some states to integrate into India is irrelevant, as you have Jammu & Kashmir joining Pakistan, not India.

I'm not saying it's impossible.

What I'm saying is TELL ME WHY JAMMU & KASHMIR JOINED PAKISTAN. There needs to be a "why", so why did they join Pakistan?

Furthermore, while you have removed the parts that say that nobody listened to Gandhi, that was previously the only justification you gave for the Indo-Pakistani War not taking place. Well, now we're stuck with the issue that DogofWar had. Furthermore, the level of discrimination you are discribing most likely would have been strongly opposed by Gandhi. In fact, historically the discrimination against Muslims was opposed by Gandhi, and he did go on several hunger strikes to promote religious harmony. In fact, part of the reason why the levels of violence wasn't worse than it was is because Gandhi was alive.

So, if Gandhi wasn't assassinated then surely he would have continued opposing the discrimination of Muslims, and knowing the influence he had (and to an extent, still has) on India surely that would put a limit on how bad the discrimination could get? Don't get me wrong, it was bad for the Muslims, but surely Gandhi prevented things from getting even worse (and trust me, what you have described can get a lot worse). If Gandhi was still alive then surely he would have had at least some more influence in preventing the discrimination?
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the Nizam.
You are right then Gandhi wouldve been assasinated, ok he dies in 1947 due to fasting. Things go out of control and the Muslims either die or flee to other countries due to violence against them.
Then Subhas Chandra Bose returns and becomes the Prime Minister.
In 1947 the Muslims in JK revolt against the Hindu ruler and the muslims massacre the royal family, Pakistan intervenes and with full support from tribals moves into Jk the Indians repond late but the Indian forces are able to keep the Jammu division in their hands which is majority Hindu, there is a standoff between the forces of the nations and the Cologne agreement is signed with the Indians keeping their part to themselves and the Pak theirs.
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Zabuza825

Alright - let's try this again - hopefully there won't be any major errors that could ruin the history of the Pacific Ocean this time.

Federal State of Kolhar


Also, my logic for the Nicobar Islands being part of Kolhar rather than India is that in RL history the Danish colonized the islands until they sold it to Britain which incorporated it into India, but since I'm making it so that Sumatra (and some of it's surrounding islands) was never colonized by the Dutch and so that the Kolhari would have long considered the territory part of their own, they would have been able to defend the islands from occupation by a foreign power. That said, the Andaman Islands have a different history with the British, not to mention that they are farther away from Sumatra, and as such I have no justifiable reason to include them.

Also, perhaps the Riau Islands could become part of Malaysia rather than Indonesia? My logic for this is that since Sumatra is now Kolhar and was never colonized, the terms of the Anglo-Dutch Treaty of 1824 would be different.

Thoughts?
Edited by Zabuza825, March 15, 2015, 7:11 pm.
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Dev271
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what about my India
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Dev271
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Will your state like to maintain friendly relationships with India and let me dock ships there I dont have any problem with A&N, just the loss of a naval base.
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Zabuza825

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March 15, 2015, 7:27 am
what about my India
Well really, you seem to have some good ideas in that head of yours, now my only gripe is that the wiki page you have is just filled with one liners. Personally I like to see more effort and detail in these nations.

I'll reserve my final opinion on the thing though, as I'll be waiting on what the others (particularly DogofWar) have to say about it.

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Will your state like to maintain friendly relationships with India and let me dock ships there I dont have any problem with A&N, just the loss of a naval base.


At the moment, most likely not. Kolhar would have gone fascist soon after Hitler's rise to power as Fascism would have become a hugely popular ideology after Hitler's initial successes in Europe (in Kolhar, strength is something that is highly valued, and the initial strength that fascism showed would have given it widespread appeal). As a result, the nation would have been strongly isolationist (albiet strongly supportive of the United States, at least during the Cold War anyway), so unless you have business with Kolhar chances are they aren't going to be allowing you access to their ports.

However, remember how I said that the first thing I want to do with Kolhar is revolución? Well, if you support the rebels and help overthrow the fascists, then out of gratefulness the new government might be willing to allow you to dock your ships in Kolhar's ports. Also, if you support the rebels, you're pretty much guarenteed a friendly relationship with Kolhar's new government.
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Dev271
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Zabuza825
March 15, 2015, 8:03 am
Dev271
March 15, 2015, 7:27 am
what about my India
Well really, you seem to have some good ideas in that head of yours, now my only gripe is that the wiki page you have is just filled with one liners. Personally I like to see more effort and detail in these nations.



You see my exams are going on currently that is why I have made the page like this so that the people can get an overall view of the country. As soon as my exams are over (20th March) I will reedit the page to look like you know.
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Link
Real World Countries and Land Claimed India-(J&K except Jammu division), (Assam-Karimganj, Hailakandi, Kachar, North Chachar Hills districts), Arunachal Pradesh, Tripura, Mizoram, Manipur, Nagaland, Meghalaya, Andaman & Nicobar
Why you want to join? I want to join because I want to be a part of Altverse and I think there needs to be an India.
Have you read everything concerning altverse? Yes
Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies? Yes
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oddaaron00

Canadian Alaskan Empire

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  • Alaska, British Colombia, Yukon, Northwest Territories, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick, Newfoundland, most westernmost available section of Antarctica:
  • Why you want to join: To "experience" "real-world" "politics"
  • Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Y
  • Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Y
  • Other: I can't wait to join. Also, the wikia page on the C.A. Fed. is not completed yet.
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I am eager to see someone finally stay committed on Canada. For now, I tentatively vouch my support although I will wait for the others to voice their opinions :)
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