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JustinVuong
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Before your country can officially take part in the Altverse community, you must first go through the application process. Before you apply, make sure to read the Rules and the official page. In addition, you must provide a link to the main article of the country you plan to be using. Although strongly encouraged but not required, the article should be of decent length that provides sufficient information about the country. Be prepared to make the necessary changes to your country before it can be deemed a part of Altverse. Under no circumstance may you add your nation, claim your nation is part of, or otherwise insert information that may give the impression that your country is in any shape or form connected to Altverse and/or its material until you have been given explicit approval from the community consensus/moderator.

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[center][b]Your Country Name[/b][/center]
[list]
[*][b][url=http://www.conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Your_Country_Name]Link[/url][/b]
[*][b]Real World Countries and Land Claimed[/b]:
[*][b]Why you want to join[/b]:
[*][b]Have you read everything concerning Altverse?[/b]: (Y/N)
[*][b]Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?[/b]: (Y/N)
[*][b]Other[/b]: Your additional comments here.
[/list]


Example
Kingdom of Sierra

  • Link
  • Real World Countries and Land Claimed: California, Nevada, Arizona, Baja California, Baja California Sur, Sonora, Hawaiian Islands, American Samoa, Easter Island, Kiribati
  • Why you want to join: I really enjoy collaborating with others and I want to have fun.
  • Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Y
  • Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Y
  • Other: This is just an example but I'd like to point out that you can also provide links to other important pages related to your country to enhance understanding. Links to the government page, flags, or military are great.
Edited by JustinVuong, January 3, 2015, 6:49 pm.
| Kingdom of Sierra (main) | Mexican Social Republic | Great Korean Empire | Republic of Vietnam |
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UnitedRepublic02
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So should the borders be similar to the Weimar Republic?
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UnitedRepublic02
April 1, 2015, 2:54 pm
So should the borders be similar to the Weimar Republic?
I'm not sure on Eastern Prussia, but the rest would make more sense.
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Zabuza825

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April 1, 2015, 10:12 am
I have been working hard fixing and changing all the old stuff from Baltic Union to Kalmar Union. There are still things to change (specially those related to companies) and I plan to continue developing new wiki articles but I think there is a good wiki base to start roleplaying.

If you are agree, I would like you to put Kalmar Union in the list of nations and the map.

Could I edit the League of Nations in order to include Kalmar Union?
I can tell, and all my major issues have been addressed, and at this point if I were to bring up the smaller issues it would just be nit-picking.

I have no objections to letting this nation is, sure all the adaptations have not been done, but all my major issues have been addressed and BIPU has demonstrated a willingness to put a huge effort behind this nation.

I put my full support behind the inclusion of the Kalmar Union in Altverse, what do you other guys say?
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Zabuza825
April 1, 2015, 3:13 pm
BIPU
April 1, 2015, 10:12 am
I have been working hard fixing and changing all the old stuff from Baltic Union to Kalmar Union. There are still things to change (specially those related to companies) and I plan to continue developing new wiki articles but I think there is a good wiki base to start roleplaying.

If you are agree, I would like you to put Kalmar Union in the list of nations and the map.

Could I edit the League of Nations in order to include Kalmar Union?
I can tell, and all my major issues have been addressed, and at this point if I were to bring up the smaller issues it would just be nit-picking.

I have no objections to letting this nation is, sure all the adaptations have not been done, but all my major issues have been addressed and BIPU has demonstrated a willingness to put a huge effort behind this nation.

I put my full support behind the inclusion of the Kalmar Union in Altverse, what do you other guys say?
I've already stuck it on the map. :P
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Zabuza825

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April 1, 2015, 3:08 pm
UnitedRepublic02
April 1, 2015, 2:54 pm
So should the borders be similar to the Weimar Republic?
I'm not sure on Eastern Prussia, but the rest would make more sense.
I just don't see us being able to have Germany keep Eastern Prussia without altering the Cold War in some way.

During the Cold War, Kalinigrad served as the base of the Soviet Baltic Fleet. Now, since in my proposal we have all of East Prussia (except Memel) going to Poland, you might be wondering what relevance my proposal would have.

Well first off - Poland was essentially a Soviet puppet-state at the time. The Soviet Union could enter into some lend-lease agreement with Poland for the duration of the Cold War so they could keep the base there.

Either that or we could have East Prussia still be divided between Poland and Russia and Lithuania (which would admitedly make things easier, but blergh I like consistent borders and the whole Russian enclave things makes things confusing).

In any case, since it served as the base of the Soviet Baltic Fleet, I'm kinda not sure if we can really have Germany keep East Prussia.

Everything else would probably be alright though.
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UnitedRepublic02
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So what it sounds like is that Germany retains Weimar-era Prussia (aka Prussian Free State), while either Poland or Russia retain Kaliningrad/Königsberg?

Like I've said, the Russians did plan on ceding Kaliningrad to Germany along with the southern Kuril Islands to Japan as seen here for a strategic partnership. So perhaps a deal between Germany, Japan, and Russia for some sort of large and somewhat controversial partnership? That could actually be kind of interesting to see how an alliance or economic partnership between Germany, Russia, and Japan would go, especially during the Crimean Crisis.
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Zabuza825

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April 1, 2015, 4:05 pm
So what it sounds like is that Germany retains Weimar-era Prussia (aka Prussian Free State), while either Poland or Russia retain Kaliningrad/Königsberg?

Like I've said, the Russians did plan on ceding Kaliningrad to Germany along with the southern Kuril Islands to Japan as seen here for a strategic partnership. So perhaps a deal between Germany, Japan, and Russia for some sort of large and somewhat controversial partnership? That could actually be kind of interesting to see how an alliance or economic partnership between Germany, Russia, and Japan would go, especially during the Crimean Crisis.
I feel you there. Not sure about the Kalinigrad thing, but I do know about the southwestern Kuril Islands thing.

Russia never actually proposed to give up all of those territories (referring to the southwestern Kuril Islands here). Russia instead proposed to give Japan some of those territories, in exchange for Japan giving up their claim on the remaining territories, and a peace treaty with Russia.

Japan was fully on board this plan, but decided to not go for it because of a secific reason. It was actually because the United States intervened.

The United States said that if Japan went through with that deal, then Okinawa would become an American territory. The US's argument was that since Japan surrendered to the US, it cannot change over the administrative rights of any Japanese territory without consulting the US first, and that thus if Japan went through with this peace treaty with Russia under those terms they would be violating the terms of their surrender. Thus, the dispute continues to this day.

Because of this, I kinda don't see it likely that the US would allow a Russo-German-Japanese partnership to form. Furthermore, I have not been able to find any other sources saying that Russians proposed to return Kalinigrad to Germany. I can literally only find that article you linke. Not saying this means it's not true, it could still be true and it could just be me not trying hard enough in my searches.

In any case, even if the area was proposed to be returned to Germany, I feel the fact that it hasn't been returned is a strong indicator that Russia would have no real plans to give up that land.
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Zabuza825
April 1, 2015, 4:24 pm
UnitedRepublic02
April 1, 2015, 4:05 pm
So what it sounds like is that Germany retains Weimar-era Prussia (aka Prussian Free State), while either Poland or Russia retain Kaliningrad/Königsberg?

Like I've said, the Russians did plan on ceding Kaliningrad to Germany along with the southern Kuril Islands to Japan as seen here for a strategic partnership. So perhaps a deal between Germany, Japan, and Russia for some sort of large and somewhat controversial partnership? That could actually be kind of interesting to see how an alliance or economic partnership between Germany, Russia, and Japan would go, especially during the Crimean Crisis.
I feel you there. Not sure about the Kalinigrad thing, but I do know about the southwestern Kuril Islands thing.

Russia never actually proposed to give up all of those territories (referring to the southwestern Kuril Islands here). Russia instead proposed to give Japan some of those territories, in exchange for Japan giving up their claim on the remaining territories, and a peace treaty with Russia.

Japan was fully on board this plan, but decided to not go for it because of a secific reason. It was actually because the United States intervened.

The United States said that if Japan went through with that deal, then Okinawa would become an American territory. The US's argument was that since Japan surrendered to the US, it cannot change over the administrative rights of any Japanese territory without consulting the US first, and that thus if Japan went through with this peace treaty with Russia under those terms they would be violating the terms of their surrender. Thus, the dispute continues to this day.

Because of this, I kinda don't see it likely that the US would allow a Russo-German-Japanese partnership to form. Furthermore, I have not been able to find any other sources saying that Russians proposed to return Kalinigrad to Germany. I can literally only find that article you linke. Not saying this means it's not true, it could still be true and it could just be me not trying hard enough in my searches.

In any case, even if the area was proposed to be returned to Germany, I feel the fact that it hasn't been returned is a strong indicator that Russia would have no real plans to give up that land.
Alright, so Germany with Weimar Era borders and a maybe on Kaliningrad. All I need is final approval from the admins for the Second German Empire and I'll get to work on the project.
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UnitedRepublic02
April 1, 2015, 4:29 pm
Zabuza825
April 1, 2015, 4:24 pm
UnitedRepublic02
April 1, 2015, 4:05 pm
So what it sounds like is that Germany retains Weimar-era Prussia (aka Prussian Free State), while either Poland or Russia retain Kaliningrad/Königsberg?

Like I've said, the Russians did plan on ceding Kaliningrad to Germany along with the southern Kuril Islands to Japan as seen here for a strategic partnership. So perhaps a deal between Germany, Japan, and Russia for some sort of large and somewhat controversial partnership? That could actually be kind of interesting to see how an alliance or economic partnership between Germany, Russia, and Japan would go, especially during the Crimean Crisis.
I feel you there. Not sure about the Kalinigrad thing, but I do know about the southwestern Kuril Islands thing.

Russia never actually proposed to give up all of those territories (referring to the southwestern Kuril Islands here). Russia instead proposed to give Japan some of those territories, in exchange for Japan giving up their claim on the remaining territories, and a peace treaty with Russia.

Japan was fully on board this plan, but decided to not go for it because of a secific reason. It was actually because the United States intervened.

The United States said that if Japan went through with that deal, then Okinawa would become an American territory. The US's argument was that since Japan surrendered to the US, it cannot change over the administrative rights of any Japanese territory without consulting the US first, and that thus if Japan went through with this peace treaty with Russia under those terms they would be violating the terms of their surrender. Thus, the dispute continues to this day.

Because of this, I kinda don't see it likely that the US would allow a Russo-German-Japanese partnership to form. Furthermore, I have not been able to find any other sources saying that Russians proposed to return Kalinigrad to Germany. I can literally only find that article you linke. Not saying this means it's not true, it could still be true and it could just be me not trying hard enough in my searches.

In any case, even if the area was proposed to be returned to Germany, I feel the fact that it hasn't been returned is a strong indicator that Russia would have no real plans to give up that land.
Alright, so Germany with Weimar Era borders and a maybe on Kaliningrad. All I need is final approval from the admins for the Second German Empire and I'll get to work on the project.
The way Alt Verse is building Europe's last decades of 20th century is quite different from what it was in real world. Revolution in UK and the formation of Kalmar Unión outside NATO has made Europe less influenced by the USA and maybe open to changes or "strange" alliances. In this scenario it is possible that Russia could give Kaliningrad to Germany in echange of support or silence for any other Russian affair. For example, imagine a new Soviet Russia trying to ensure its influence over the Baltic Republics or other Eastern Europe nations. It could be a good moment to see an agreement between Germany and Russia in wich Kaliningrad went to Germany in echange for Germany curb any hint of sanctions and the possibility to maintain a military base in Kaliningrad.
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Zabuza825

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April 1, 2015, 5:16 pm
The way Alt Verse is building Europe's last decades of 20th century is quite different from what it was in real world. Revolution in UK and the formation of Kalmar Unión outside NATO has made Europe less influenced by the USA and maybe open to changes or "strange" alliances. In this scenario it is possible that Russia could give Kaliningrad to Germany in echange of support or silence for any other Russian affair. For example, imagine a new Soviet Russia trying to ensure its influence over the Baltic Republics or other Eastern Europe nations. It could be a good moment to see an agreement between Germany and Russia in wich Kaliningrad went to Germany in echange for Germany curb any hint of sanctions and the possibility to maintain a military base in Kaliningrad.
Actually, I was originally thinking that since Poland isn't gaining the Eastern German territories, they'd probably want Kalinigrad, you know with the Poles being expelled from the lands of Poland that the USSR annexed and all they'd kinda need it, meaning that the whole "would Russia return Kalinigrad" discussion irrelevant.

Besides, I'll say this again, if we make it so that Russia has to return the territory, Germany would have to have lost it first, and since we've basically seem to have decided that the expulsion of Germans still happened, that would mean the majority population would now be Russian or something like that.

So, now why would the Russian government transfer a area with ETHNIC RUSSIANS to Germany? No matter what the potential benefits for Russia, I doubt the local people will accept such a thing. Furthermore, the Russian government right now is trying to build up an image for protecting ethnic Russians. They've been doing that since the 2000's. Giving Kalinigrad to Germany would probably damage this image.
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