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Before your country can officially take part in the Altverse community, you must first go through the application process. Before you apply, make sure to read the Rules and the official page. In addition, you must provide a link to the main article of the country you plan to be using. Although strongly encouraged but not required, the article should be of decent length that provides sufficient information about the country. Be prepared to make the necessary changes to your country before it can be deemed a part of Altverse. Under no circumstance may you add your nation, claim your nation is part of, or otherwise insert information that may give the impression that your country is in any shape or form connected to Altverse and/or its material until you have been given explicit approval from the community consensus/moderator.

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[center][b]Your Country Name[/b][/center]
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[*][b][url=http://www.conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Your_Country_Name]Link[/url][/b]
[*][b]Real World Countries and Land Claimed[/b]:
[*][b]Why you want to join[/b]:
[*][b]Have you read everything concerning Altverse?[/b]: (Y/N)
[*][b]Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?[/b]: (Y/N)
[*][b]Other[/b]: Your additional comments here.
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Kingdom of Sierra

  • Link
  • Real World Countries and Land Claimed: California, Nevada, Arizona, Baja California, Baja California Sur, Sonora, Hawaiian Islands, American Samoa, Easter Island, Kiribati
  • Why you want to join: I really enjoy collaborating with others and I want to have fun.
  • Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Y
  • Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Y
  • Other: This is just an example but I'd like to point out that you can also provide links to other important pages related to your country to enhance understanding. Links to the government page, flags, or military are great.
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If there is a Soviet Russia (which I don't support because a smaller USSR would not support a fascist Mexico), Germany would be VERY against a second Eastern Bloc, which I still don't really understand how it would come back.

Also, I'm getting pretty frustrated because it hasn't been very clear that Germany is canon to Altverse and that other nations submitted after me have gotten approved and included to Altverse. Justin said he'd support it, but no one else has been very clear as if they support it or not.

I might create a far-right Russia soon, but I'm having a difficult time coming up with a name for it and I'm STILL waiting for a "go ahead" on Germany.
About the friendship between Mexico and Soviet Russia I have never told anything like this and the wiki page of Mexico was writen before I proposed Soviet Rusia, so the player didnt know what I had in mind when he wrote it. Of course I dont think that a Soviet Russia and a Fascist Mexico could be good Friends. Nevertheless, in Real Politics sometimes happened that the enemy of my enemy could become my friend even when it seems very difficult. Maybe the fascist Mexico is a terrible government. Maybe the president is an evil that eat a child every morning, but if Mexico can be a pain in US ass, be sure that Soviet Russia is going to put some attention to Mexico. Think that my idea of new Soviet Russia is not exactly similar to the old Soviet Unión. I plan a Russia more like the chinese way: Strict in the political but open to trade and some market economy.

You say that you cant understand how a new Eastern bloc could come back. Well, it is difficult, I know it, but you are able to imagine a new Germany taking half of Poland, Czech Republic and crowning a new Imperator, so use your imagination again and think that a new soviet Russia can be posible. :-)

I'm sorry but I think everybody here see Russia as a nation where everybody can pick a piece and add it to his nation without notice. I think I'm not asking something extrange if I ask for a strong Russia leading a bloc in Alt Verse the same that Russia has been doing IRL during the last 3 centuries. Belive me, my first idea for Russia was a new tsarist Russia but when you entered with an Imperial Germany I rescue my old Project of Soviet Russia becouse I thought that it would be a more interesting roleplaying if Russia were Soviet.

History is not a simple tale about good guys and bad guys. History is a very very complex game of politic, economy, religión, human desires, and a bit of luck. If you have a look to the history of Europe during the last 400 years you can see what I tell you. In the same century a nation can has 10 wars with 10 different enemies and, of course, with allies today that yesterday were my enemies. Europe has 2000 years of history with every nation going to war with their neighbors again and again and I'm sure that it will become again. I am able to imagine a new Imperial Germany becouse I know the history of Europe and I know that here everything is possible. It is only a time matter. Please, try to imagine a Soviet Russia and lets go Roleplay an interesting game. A Soviet Russia and an Imperial Germany I'm sure that will not be allies but sure they can live together in Europe.
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If there is a Soviet Russia (which I don't support because a smaller USSR would not support a fascist Mexico), Germany would be VERY against a second Eastern Bloc, which I still don't really understand how it would come back.

Also, I'm getting pretty frustrated because it hasn't been very clear that Germany is canon to Altverse and that other nations submitted after me have gotten approved and included to Altverse. Justin said he'd support it, but no one else has been very clear as if they support it or not.

I might create a far-right Russia soon, but I'm having a difficult time coming up with a name for it and I'm STILL waiting for a "go ahead" on Germany.
About the friendship between Mexico and Soviet Russia I have never told anything like this and the wiki page of Mexico was writen before I proposed Soviet Rusia, so the player didnt know what I had in mind when he wrote it. Of course I dont think that a Soviet Russia and a Fascist Mexico could be good Friends. Nevertheless, in Real Politics sometimes happened that the enemy of my enemy could become my friend even when it seems very difficult. Maybe the fascist Mexico is a terrible government. Maybe the president is an evil that eat a child every morning, but if Mexico can be a pain in US ass, be sure that Soviet Russia is going to put some attention to Mexico. Think that my idea of new Soviet Russia is not exactly similar to the old Soviet Unión. I plan a Russia more like the chinese way: Strict in the political but open to trade and some market economy.

You say that you cant understand how a new Eastern bloc could come back. Well, it is difficult, I know it, but you are able to imagine a new Germany taking half of Poland, Czech Republic and crowning a new Imperator, so use your imagination again and think that a new soviet Russia can be posible. :-)

I'm sorry but I think everybody here see Russia as a nation where everybody can pick a piece and add it to his nation without notice. I think I'm not asking something extrange if I ask for a strong Russia leading a bloc in Alt Verse the same that Russia has been doing IRL during the last 3 centuries. Belive me, my first idea for Russia was a new tsarist Russia but when you entered with an Imperial Germany I rescue my old Project of Soviet Russia becouse I thought that it would be a more interesting roleplaying if Russia were Soviet.

History is not a simple tale about good guys and bad guys. History is a very very complex game of politic, economy, religión, human desires, and a bit of luck. If you have a look to the history of Europe during the last 400 years you can see what I tell you. In the same century a nation can has 10 wars with 10 different enemies and, of course, with allies today that yesterday were my enemies. Europe has 2000 years of history with every nation going to war with their neighbors again and again and I'm sure that it will become again. I am able to imagine a new Imperial Germany becouse I know the history of Europe and I know that here everything is possible. It is only a time matter. Please, try to imagine a Soviet Russia and lets go Roleplay an interesting game. A Soviet Russia and an Imperial Germany I'm sure that will not be allies but sure they can live together in Europe.
I wrote and continue to roleplay Fascist Mexico. Yes, the intention of Mexico's alliance with Russia and China (despite its obvious fascism) is a means to keep the United States/Sierra and their allies in the Americas in check. Mexico does have the capability of posing a major threat on the US (it is next-door, is militaristic, has sufficient technology to develop nuclear weapons, is heavily populated, etc.) and although it may not win a war tactically, it would still be able to wreak significant damage to its neighbors if it wanted to, especially in a ground invasion. The war between them would be bloody and even should the US decide to launch a counter-invasion, it would be equally harrowing of a task. For that reason, I thought Russia and China would pragmatically consider Mexico a vital asset to mitigate some of the United States' immense power in its own immediate sphere. Mexico in return would do Russia and China the favor by consistently adding pressure to the US at home, preventing it from investing much needed attention elsewhere such as Asia or Europe. In addition, trade from Mexico can also be accounted because its economy is sufficiently viable.
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If there is a Soviet Russia (which I don't support because a smaller USSR would not support a fascist Mexico), Germany would be VERY against a second Eastern Bloc, which I still don't really understand how it would come back.

Also, I'm getting pretty frustrated because it hasn't been very clear that Germany is canon to Altverse and that other nations submitted after me have gotten approved and included to Altverse. Justin said he'd support it, but no one else has been very clear as if they support it or not.

I might create a far-right Russia soon, but I'm having a difficult time coming up with a name for it and I'm STILL waiting for a "go ahead" on Germany.
About the friendship between Mexico and Soviet Russia I have never told anything like this and the wiki page of Mexico was writen before I proposed Soviet Rusia, so the player didnt know what I had in mind when he wrote it. Of course I dont think that a Soviet Russia and a Fascist Mexico could be good Friends. Nevertheless, in Real Politics sometimes happened that the enemy of my enemy could become my friend even when it seems very difficult. Maybe the fascist Mexico is a terrible government. Maybe the president is an evil that eat a child every morning, but if Mexico can be a pain in US ass, be sure that Soviet Russia is going to put some attention to Mexico. Think that my idea of new Soviet Russia is not exactly similar to the old Soviet Unión. I plan a Russia more like the chinese way: Strict in the political but open to trade and some market economy.

You say that you cant understand how a new Eastern bloc could come back. Well, it is difficult, I know it, but you are able to imagine a new Germany taking half of Poland, Czech Republic and crowning a new Imperator, so use your imagination again and think that a new soviet Russia can be posible. :-)

I'm sorry but I think everybody here see Russia as a nation where everybody can pick a piece and add it to his nation without notice. I think I'm not asking something extrange if I ask for a strong Russia leading a bloc in Alt Verse the same that Russia has been doing IRL during the last 3 centuries. Belive me, my first idea for Russia was a new tsarist Russia but when you entered with an Imperial Germany I rescue my old Project of Soviet Russia becouse I thought that it would be a more interesting roleplaying if Russia were Soviet.

History is not a simple tale about good guys and bad guys. History is a very very complex game of politic, economy, religión, human desires, and a bit of luck. If you have a look to the history of Europe during the last 400 years you can see what I tell you. In the same century a nation can has 10 wars with 10 different enemies and, of course, with allies today that yesterday were my enemies. Europe has 2000 years of history with every nation going to war with their neighbors again and again and I'm sure that it will become again. I am able to imagine a new Imperial Germany becouse I know the history of Europe and I know that here everything is possible. It is only a time matter. Please, try to imagine a Soviet Russia and lets go Roleplay an interesting game. A Soviet Russia and an Imperial Germany I'm sure that will not be allies but sure they can live together in Europe.
I wrote and continue to roleplay Fascist Mexico. Yes, the intention of Mexico's alliance with Russia and China (despite its obvious fascism) is a means to keep the United States/Sierra and their allies in the Americas in check. Mexico does have the capability of posing a major threat on the US (it is next-door, is militaristic, has sufficient technology to develop nuclear weapons, is heavily populated, etc.) and although it may not win a war tactically, it would still be able to wreak significant damage to its neighbors if it wanted to, especially in a ground invasion. The war between them would be bloody and even should the US decide to launch a counter-invasion, it would be equally harrowing of a task. For that reason, I thought Russia and China would pragmatically consider Mexico a vital asset to mitigate some of the United States' immense power in its own immediate sphere. Mexico in return would do Russia and China the favor by consistently adding pressure to the US at home, preventing it from investing much needed attention elsewhere such as Asia or Europe. In addition, trade from Mexico can also be accounted because its economy is sufficiently viable.
Think of the Russo-Mexican alliance similar to the US's and the UK's excessive funding of the Khmer Rogue or Nicolae Ceaușescu - both were officially communist (although the Khmer Rogue could be described as medieval Maoists rather then Bolsheviks in the same way as the CPSU) yet received a lot of aid from the west due to their opposition to what were deemed bigger communist threats (that being North Vietnam and the USSR). The west still heavily criticised their regimes (they weren't like Suharto or the Central American juntas), but the largely covert funding helped prop up their regimes.
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About the friendship between Mexico and Soviet Russia I have never told anything like this and the wiki page of Mexico was writen before I proposed Soviet Rusia, so the player didnt know what I had in mind when he wrote it. Of course I dont think that a Soviet Russia and a Fascist Mexico could be good Friends. Nevertheless, in Real Politics sometimes happened that the enemy of my enemy could become my friend even when it seems very difficult. Maybe the fascist Mexico is a terrible government. Maybe the president is an evil that eat a child every morning, but if Mexico can be a pain in US ass, be sure that Soviet Russia is going to put some attention to Mexico. Think that my idea of new Soviet Russia is not exactly similar to the old Soviet Unión. I plan a Russia more like the chinese way: Strict in the political but open to trade and some market economy.

You say that you cant understand how a new Eastern bloc could come back. Well, it is difficult, I know it, but you are able to imagine a new Germany taking half of Poland, Czech Republic and crowning a new Imperator, so use your imagination again and think that a new soviet Russia can be posible. :-)

I'm sorry but I think everybody here see Russia as a nation where everybody can pick a piece and add it to his nation without notice. I think I'm not asking something extrange if I ask for a strong Russia leading a bloc in Alt Verse the same that Russia has been doing IRL during the last 3 centuries. Belive me, my first idea for Russia was a new tsarist Russia but when you entered with an Imperial Germany I rescue my old Project of Soviet Russia becouse I thought that it would be a more interesting roleplaying if Russia were Soviet.

History is not a simple tale about good guys and bad guys. History is a very very complex game of politic, economy, religión, human desires, and a bit of luck. If you have a look to the history of Europe during the last 400 years you can see what I tell you. In the same century a nation can has 10 wars with 10 different enemies and, of course, with allies today that yesterday were my enemies. Europe has 2000 years of history with every nation going to war with their neighbors again and again and I'm sure that it will become again. I am able to imagine a new Imperial Germany becouse I know the history of Europe and I know that here everything is possible. It is only a time matter. Please, try to imagine a Soviet Russia and lets go Roleplay an interesting game. A Soviet Russia and an Imperial Germany I'm sure that will not be allies but sure they can live together in Europe.
Actually decided to come back to try to see if changing my way of thinking in terms of the whole debates will be fine.

I find your comparison of the Russo-Mexican Alliance to the US and UK's support of the Khmer Rouge and Nicolae Ceausescu to be rather interesting. At first I wondered about the US supporting the Khmer Rouge, simply because I know for a fact that during the Vietnam War the United States conducted bombing runs over Cambodia in an attempt to stop the Khmer Rouge (see Operation Menu and Operation Freedom Deal). However, I also knew that Vietnam invaded Cambodia later on, and China in turn then invaded Vietnam in support of Cambodia, and the US was trying to get cozy with China at the time. It would be logical to conclude then that the US could possibly have supported the Khmer Rouge then, simply because they were an ally of China and the whole "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" bullcrap. Well, turns out my speculation may have turned out to be correct, as the US did support the Khmer Rouge during Vietnam's invasion of Cambodia.

There's just one small problem I have with your plan - I still find it hard to believe that the Russian government would be able to sell any amount of cooperation with a openly fascist nation to it's people knowing the propaganda they spew out. While in theory it could work, I would think that the anti-fascist propaganda rhetoric would need to be toned down, and a LOT at that matter.

Secondly - unless I was mistaken, the whole Crimea situation was supposed to be what kicked off the Second Cold War, was it not? That's the reason why I was opposed to Crimea being officially part of Russia, not because it has to be the same way IRL, but because IC'ly we already have it set up that way. I'd just like clarification on this part.

Thirdly, and this is going back to BIPU's comments about Arizona being core US territory. I am actualy in the camp that sides with the Native Americans in their claims against the US government (namely because American policies towards Native Americans at the time could arguably be called genocidal). Hell, I am a supporter of the Hawaiian sovereignty movement because I believe that the way the US got Hawaii to have a pro-annexation government amounted to an invasion of the then-established Kingdom of Hawaii. So yeah, this is where I get my sentiments towards the Crimean Tatars from. They were a group that got expelled from their native land at the hands of Joseph (freaking) Stalin, and have since then been systematically been discriminated against (by both the Ukrainian and the Russian officials). Whether Crimea goes back to Ukraine or becomes part of Russia is irrelevant to me (the way I see it, if the people of Crimea really want to be part of Russia then just let them be part of Russia, I only question the validity of the vote because of widespread reports of vote rigging and because of the fact that in spite of the fact that the Crimean Tatars, which make up around 10% of Crimeas population, boycotted the election the turnout was supposedly around 96%).

And yeah, if you still don't believe that I'm not brainwashed by Hollywood propaganda, I don't think anything I say will change your mind. Seriously, I said the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes under the laws of war applicable at the time (Hollywood tends to not like this view), I said that the annexation of Hawaii was an illegal act (Hollywood tends to portray the Hawaiians, using "Hawaiian" as a nationality rather than an ethnicity here, as welcoming their new American overlords when in fact the vast majority of Hawaiians at the time was opposed to it), I said that I side with the Native Americans in many of their claims against the US government (Hollywood tends to gloss over this era of American history, and hell some states literally whitewash this era of American history, I'M LOOKING AT YOU TEXAS!). This is all things that Hollywood either tries to completely gloss over or portrays things in the exact opposite manner that I believe things to be.
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Oh also, I just want to say that I'm a little uncomfortable with bringing in YET ANOTHER communist state into Altverse.

Seriously, there's a hell of a lot of them already, I'm getting tired of it. Is there some other option, not democratic, not communist or socialist, not fascist, that we could make Russia? If you don't want it to be Tsarist, I'm perfectly fine with that, I'm just wondering if theres some other alternative that might make it unique.
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Oh also, I just want to say that I'm a little uncomfortable with bringing in YET ANOTHER communist state into Altverse.

Seriously, there's a hell of a lot of them already, I'm getting tired of it. Is there some other option, not democratic, not communist or socialist, not fascist, that we could make Russia? If you don't want it to be Tsarist, I'm perfectly fine with that, I'm just wondering if theres some other alternative that might make it unique.
I agree with you Zab.
For India- The Mughal invasion fails and they keep their empire west of the Indus. Meanwhile the Kingdom of Magadha expands into Orissa, Bengal (BANGLADESH too), and the Bihar i language regions and thus making Magahi (although it is Maghi, which is my mother tongue although I dont know it and I hate the education system for it) becomes a kind of a dominant language. The British invade India like IRL, through Magadha controlled Bengal. Since Bengal was never under the Mughals or any Sultanate, the people there and in Pak didnt become Muslims, except a little pop. west of the Indus. Other things happened IRL. Due to there being no Sikhs or Muslims there was a better organized struggle, no direct action day, no Muslim league hampering the process to India's freedom, thus the Britisher were shook off quickly and India became independent on 15th Aug 1945.

I am missing somethig about the Delhi Sultanate, please remind me.
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About the friendship between Mexico and Soviet Russia I have never told anything like this and the wiki page of Mexico was writen before I proposed Soviet Rusia, so the player didnt know what I had in mind when he wrote it. Of course I dont think that a Soviet Russia and a Fascist Mexico could be good Friends. Nevertheless, in Real Politics sometimes happened that the enemy of my enemy could become my friend even when it seems very difficult. Maybe the fascist Mexico is a terrible government. Maybe the president is an evil that eat a child every morning, but if Mexico can be a pain in US ass, be sure that Soviet Russia is going to put some attention to Mexico. Think that my idea of new Soviet Russia is not exactly similar to the old Soviet Unión. I plan a Russia more like the chinese way: Strict in the political but open to trade and some market economy.

You say that you cant understand how a new Eastern bloc could come back. Well, it is difficult, I know it, but you are able to imagine a new Germany taking half of Poland, Czech Republic and crowning a new Imperator, so use your imagination again and think that a new soviet Russia can be posible. :-)

I'm sorry but I think everybody here see Russia as a nation where everybody can pick a piece and add it to his nation without notice. I think I'm not asking something extrange if I ask for a strong Russia leading a bloc in Alt Verse the same that Russia has been doing IRL during the last 3 centuries. Belive me, my first idea for Russia was a new tsarist Russia but when you entered with an Imperial Germany I rescue my old Project of Soviet Russia becouse I thought that it would be a more interesting roleplaying if Russia were Soviet.

History is not a simple tale about good guys and bad guys. History is a very very complex game of politic, economy, religión, human desires, and a bit of luck. If you have a look to the history of Europe during the last 400 years you can see what I tell you. In the same century a nation can has 10 wars with 10 different enemies and, of course, with allies today that yesterday were my enemies. Europe has 2000 years of history with every nation going to war with their neighbors again and again and I'm sure that it will become again. I am able to imagine a new Imperial Germany becouse I know the history of Europe and I know that here everything is possible. It is only a time matter. Please, try to imagine a Soviet Russia and lets go Roleplay an interesting game. A Soviet Russia and an Imperial Germany I'm sure that will not be allies but sure they can live together in Europe.
Actually decided to come back to try to see if changing my way of thinking in terms of the whole debates will be fine.

I find your comparison of the Russo-Mexican Alliance to the US and UK's support of the Khmer Rouge and Nicolae Ceausescu to be rather interesting. At first I wondered about the US supporting the Khmer Rouge, simply because I know for a fact that during the Vietnam War the United States conducted bombing runs over Cambodia in an attempt to stop the Khmer Rouge (see Operation Menu and Operation Freedom Deal). However, I also knew that Vietnam invaded Cambodia later on, and China in turn then invaded Vietnam in support of Cambodia, and the US was trying to get cozy with China at the time. It would be logical to conclude then that the US could possibly have supported the Khmer Rouge then, simply because they were an ally of China and the whole "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" bullcrap. Well, turns out my speculation may have turned out to be correct, as the US did support the Khmer Rouge during Vietnam's invasion of Cambodia.

There's just one small problem I have with your plan - I still find it hard to believe that the Russian government would be able to sell any amount of cooperation with a openly fascist nation to it's people knowing the propaganda they spew out. While in theory it could work, I would think that the anti-fascist propaganda rhetoric would need to be toned down, and a LOT at that matter.

Secondly - unless I was mistaken, the whole Crimea situation was supposed to be what kicked off the Second Cold War, was it not? That's the reason why I was opposed to Crimea being officially part of Russia, not because it has to be the same way IRL, but because IC'ly we already have it set up that way. I'd just like clarification on this part.

Thirdly, and this is going back to BIPU's comments about Arizona being core US territory. I am actualy in the camp that sides with the Native Americans in their claims against the US government (namely because American policies towards Native Americans at the time could arguably be called genocidal). Hell, I am a supporter of the Hawaiian sovereignty movement because I believe that the way the US got Hawaii to have a pro-annexation government amounted to an invasion of the then-established Kingdom of Hawaii. So yeah, this is where I get my sentiments towards the Crimean Tatars from. They were a group that got expelled from their native land at the hands of Joseph (freaking) Stalin, and have since then been systematically been discriminated against (by both the Ukrainian and the Russian officials). Whether Crimea goes back to Ukraine or becomes part of Russia is irrelevant to me (the way I see it, if the people of Crimea really want to be part of Russia then just let them be part of Russia, I only question the validity of the vote because of widespread reports of vote rigging and because of the fact that in spite of the fact that the Crimean Tatars, which make up around 10% of Crimeas population, boycotted the election the turnout was supposedly around 96%).

And yeah, if you still don't believe that I'm not brainwashed by Hollywood propaganda, I don't think anything I say will change your mind. Seriously, I said the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes under the laws of war applicable at the time (Hollywood tends to not like this view), I said that the annexation of Hawaii was an illegal act (Hollywood tends to portray the Hawaiians, using "Hawaiian" as a nationality rather than an ethnicity here, as welcoming their new American overlords when in fact the vast majority of Hawaiians at the time was opposed to it), I said that I side with the Native Americans in many of their claims against the US government (Hollywood tends to gloss over this era of American history, and hell some states literally whitewash this era of American history, I'M LOOKING AT YOU TEXAS!). This is all things that Hollywood either tries to completely gloss over or portrays things in the exact opposite manner that I believe things to be.
I'm really very happy to see you here again and I ask you to understand that all my words here are looking to enrich Altverse because I think that debate is healthy for everyone.

About Second Cold War, I have tried to read something about it but the information in the wiki page is not enough for me to understand everything. You have said that the Crimean crisis is part of 2CW and for me is the first notice about that. I imagine that you (all) have talked about that but I'm new here and I didnt know. In my original planes there was no Crimean Crisis because I planned Crime back to Russia during the fall or USSR. I suppose I have to change my idea.

Talking about Russia supporting a fascist mexico I have to reiterate that this kind of things are quite common in Real Politics. I agree with the fact that a Soviet Government giving some kind of support to a fascist regime could be difficult, but if you put it in a Cold War environment where this support could make a problem to the USA, things could be much more understandable. Think that all the attention (money, troops, resources, intelligence, etc.) that the USA are using with Mexico are those that they are not using with Russia. I imagine only a single problema: Public opinion. Anyway, this is a minor problem in a nation (Soviet Russia) where media are fully controlled by the government.

An finally about Russia being soviet I have to say that (as you know) my first idea was not a Soviet Russia. I planned to make a Tsarist Russia with a Tsar having almost absolute power (in my nation Kalmar Unión the King has more power tan modern european monarchy but still limited) and with many influence of the Orthodox Church. This was my first idea but the arrival of a Germanic Empire made me change with the aim of dont make two nations very similars. I suppose Europe has only place to one Emperor. :-)

I think that a Soviet Russia could be fine. Think that my Soviet Russia is not a stalinist Russia but a modern concept of communism where some things will be adapted specially in the economy. Anyway, my idea is a nation where people is quite sattisfied with their situation specially after the global economic crisis. In my alt-history crisis happens when new Soviet Russia is consolidated and Russia can resist better the crisis because it is soviet and there is low influence of international finnances. In this international enviroment, people is ready to acept some cuts in their civil liberty in echange of economic stability and state protection. And this can be seen by other nations as a model and to serve Russia to strenghten its bloc.

Finally, Is possible that there is much socialism in Alt Verse, but ther is no Soviet nation. I mean that is a reality that Alt Verse is left oriented, but I think that is oriented to the modern left more light, pretentious and bamby style. I'm sure that a bit of soviet pragmatism and hard line will be good for the game. :-)

I still can consider my all Tsarist idea again, but I have no other idea for Russia than a strong one and this mean strong leaded. Any ideas?



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I'm really very happy to see you here again and I ask you to understand that all my words here are looking to enrich Altverse because I think that debate is healthy for everyone.

About Second Cold War, I have tried to read something about it but the information in the wiki page is not enough for me to understand everything. You have said that the Crimean crisis is part of 2CW and for me is the first notice about that. I imagine that you (all) have talked about that but I'm new here and I didnt know. In my original planes there was no Crimean Crisis because I planned Crime back to Russia during the fall or USSR. I suppose I have to change my idea.

Talking about Russia supporting a fascist mexico I have to reiterate that this kind of things are quite common in Real Politics. I agree with the fact that a Soviet Government giving some kind of support to a fascist regime could be difficult, but if you put it in a Cold War environment where this support could make a problem to the USA, things could be much more understandable. Think that all the attention (money, troops, resources, intelligence, etc.) that the USA are using with Mexico are those that they are not using with Russia. I imagine only a single problema: Public opinion. Anyway, this is a minor problem in a nation (Soviet Russia) where media are fully controlled by the government.

An finally about Russia being soviet I have to say that (as you know) my first idea was not a Soviet Russia. I planned to make a Tsarist Russia with a Tsar having almost absolute power (in my nation Kalmar Unión the King has more power tan modern european monarchy but still limited) and with many influence of the Orthodox Church. This was my first idea but the arrival of a Germanic Empire made me change with the aim of dont make two nations very similars. I suppose Europe has only place to one Emperor. :-)

I think that a Soviet Russia could be fine. Think that my Soviet Russia is not a stalinist Russia but a modern concept of communism where some things will be adapted specially in the economy. Anyway, my idea is a nation where people is quite sattisfied with their situation specially after the global economic crisis. In my alt-history crisis happens when new Soviet Russia is consolidated and Russia can resist better the crisis because it is soviet and there is low influence of international finnances. In this international enviroment, people is ready to acept some cuts in their civil liberty in echange of economic stability and state protection. And this can be seen by other nations as a model and to serve Russia to strenghten its bloc.

Finally, Is possible that there is much socialism in Alt Verse, but ther is no Soviet nation. I mean that is a reality that Alt Verse is left oriented, but I think that is oriented to the modern left more light, pretentious and bamby style. I'm sure that a bit of soviet pragmatism and hard line will be good for the game. :-)

I still can consider my all Tsarist idea again, but I have no other idea for Russia than a strong one and this mean strong leaded. Any ideas?


I would like to know your opinións in order to start working in the nation. Please, give me your thoughts.





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Manchuria

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  • Real World Countries and Land Claimed: Northeast China (Liaoning, Heilongjiang, and Jilin provinces along with the Xilingol, Chifeng, Tongliao, Hulunbuir and Hinggan prefectures in Inner Mongolia)
  • Why you want to join: Because I'm enthusiastic about this nation, and I think it would interesting to roleplay.
  • Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Y
  • Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Y
  • Other: If part of Altverse Machuria could be seen as a buffer against Korea during the Cold War by China and the Soviet Union, hence its existence as an independent state.
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