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April 29, 2015, 10:16 am
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Take a look at this IndiaAny problems.
India would not have nukes if Pakistan was not a major power/had none of their own. Outside of the big five, the only reason other nations have ever had nukes is as a deterrent. Israel has them for example to make sure its Arab neighbours don't try and wipe it off the map. South Africa developed them after the west started to criticise Apartheid and Mozambique and Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) had new revolutionary governments that were hostile to the nation. India and Pakistan have them so they don't have an all out war with each other and China. North Korea is the exception, but they are, well, crazy. I highly, highly doubt in any case it would have the third largest stockpile not being a member of the NPT. As well as that I doubt Pakistan would have been created without a greater diaspora of Muslims, meaning they would be a much larger minority. In this case it would be much easier to have Pakistan and Bangladesh as they are today, as that would help solve the nuclear weapons/Muslim diaspora problems.
Ok man that is good. Well there was no Bangladesh but Balochistan and NFWP and tribal areas. What would it solve I couldnt understand, and cant India have nukes to deter China.
Britain was only willing to divide India and Pakistan as the Muslim community was pretty big. If the community was smaller then the Muslim League would have less support especially from densely populated areas like the Punjab and the Bengel meaning that Britain would see no serious pressure that demanded the states be divided, and keep the colony as it was. This in turn will mean that Muslims would be a much larger minority in India by percentage as they would probably not move to Burma, Iran or Afghanistan unless off course there was a genocide against them (on Holocaust levels) . By having a larger Muslim community in the British Raj then the British would see the benefits of dividing India and creating Pakistan and Bangladesh, with there being less incentive to live in India for the remaining Muslims. As for the nukes, I can't see any country supporting India's nuclear weapon program. The threat of war between India and China is not as much as that between India and Pakistan who have had 4 wars in 50 or so years. As no other countries have WMD outside of the big five if Pakistan lost its nukes India would be under huge international pressure to give up its program unless it became incredibly friendly to the US like Israel (as in, protect American interests at all and any cost, and any attempt to piss off America is laughed out of government).
So you are saying India cannot have nukes here and I dont want to be like Israel.
I'm saying that without Pakistan having its prosperous Eastern regions and nuclear program it would be unlikely that India would have nukes.
I take Pakistan and Bangladesh, so in the 1964 war the Chinese dont stop until the Americans position their carrier. Due to China having nukes then just of the fear of another war for China claiming Gilgit baltistan and some northern areas as well as being in the Siachen conflict. There can be another border skirmish near Arunachal Pradesh in 1959. And constant incursions into India after 1964. Another proxy war in Sikkim in 1989. Aint that enough for India to have a secretive nuclear program in 1966 under less international pressure relatively, even if not the 3rd largest but at least 200. That still doesn't solve the problem of the partition. If the Muslim population was smaller the British would just not bother dividing India and keep it as it was. There would be no significant pressure from the Muslim League (which was not based in the west of modern day Pakistan but in fact the east). However this will mean that India will have a much larger Muslim minority, definitely over 10%, and India itself would face much more frequent terrorist attacks from the Taliban as a result. It would be much, much easier for the current demographics and territory of Pakistan/Bangladesh to remain as they are IF you do not want a large amount of Muslims in India, which you have made clear you don't. You can have the Mughals only control the portions of the Indian subcontinent that were ruled by emperor Akbar and never expanded from those boarders.
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April 29, 2015, 12:39 pm
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Take a look at this IndiaAny problems.
India would not have nukes if Pakistan was not a major power/had none of their own. Outside of the big five, the only reason other nations have ever had nukes is as a deterrent. Israel has them for example to make sure its Arab neighbours don't try and wipe it off the map. South Africa developed them after the west started to criticise Apartheid and Mozambique and Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) had new revolutionary governments that were hostile to the nation. India and Pakistan have them so they don't have an all out war with each other and China. North Korea is the exception, but they are, well, crazy. I highly, highly doubt in any case it would have the third largest stockpile not being a member of the NPT. As well as that I doubt Pakistan would have been created without a greater diaspora of Muslims, meaning they would be a much larger minority. In this case it would be much easier to have Pakistan and Bangladesh as they are today, as that would help solve the nuclear weapons/Muslim diaspora problems.
Ok man that is good. Well there was no Bangladesh but Balochistan and NFWP and tribal areas. What would it solve I couldnt understand, and cant India have nukes to deter China.
Britain was only willing to divide India and Pakistan as the Muslim community was pretty big. If the community was smaller then the Muslim League would have less support especially from densely populated areas like the Punjab and the Bengel meaning that Britain would see no serious pressure that demanded the states be divided, and keep the colony as it was. This in turn will mean that Muslims would be a much larger minority in India by percentage as they would probably not move to Burma, Iran or Afghanistan unless off course there was a genocide against them (on Holocaust levels) . By having a larger Muslim community in the British Raj then the British would see the benefits of dividing India and creating Pakistan and Bangladesh, with there being less incentive to live in India for the remaining Muslims. As for the nukes, I can't see any country supporting India's nuclear weapon program. The threat of war between India and China is not as much as that between India and Pakistan who have had 4 wars in 50 or so years. As no other countries have WMD outside of the big five if Pakistan lost its nukes India would be under huge international pressure to give up its program unless it became incredibly friendly to the US like Israel (as in, protect American interests at all and any cost, and any attempt to piss off America is laughed out of government).
So you are saying India cannot have nukes here and I dont want to be like Israel.
I'm saying that without Pakistan having its prosperous Eastern regions and nuclear program it would be unlikely that India would have nukes.
I take Pakistan and Bangladesh, so in the 1964 war the Chinese dont stop until the Americans position their carrier. Due to China having nukes then just of the fear of another war for China claiming Gilgit baltistan and some northern areas as well as being in the Siachen conflict. There can be another border skirmish near Arunachal Pradesh in 1959. And constant incursions into India after 1964. Another proxy war in Sikkim in 1989. Aint that enough for India to have a secretive nuclear program in 1966 under less international pressure relatively, even if not the 3rd largest but at least 200.
That still doesn't solve the problem of the partition. If the Muslim population was smaller the British would just not bother dividing India and keep it as it was. There would be no significant pressure from the Muslim League (which was not based in the west of modern day Pakistan but in fact the east). However this will mean that India will have a much larger Muslim minority, definitely over 10%, and India itself would face much more frequent terrorist attacks from the Taliban as a result. It would be much, much easier for the current demographics and territory of Pakistan/Bangladesh to remain as they are IF you do not want a large amount of Muslims in India, which you have made clear you don't. You can have the Mughals only control the portions of the Indian subcontinent that were ruled by emperor Akbar and never expanded from those boarders. That is all outdated. I will update the map. There will be no Muslims in Bangladesh but their pop will be concentrated in Kashmir, NFWP, Tribal Areas, Balochistan. I would like the population to be 1.3 billion just above China, rem Manchuria. 0.2 billion less than today's demographics. What about the nukes?
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May 8, 2015, 5:18 pm
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Greater Russian Republic
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- Why you want to join: Altverse needs a Russia as it plays a big role in world affairs.
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- Other: The GRR was declared by President Vladimir Putin in 2014 after the outbreak of unrest in Ukraine and the rising feeling of Russian nationalism within the nation. Belarus was soon annexed by June, along with the Russian client states of Abkhazia and South Ossetia later that month. A series of reforms went through the government, allowing President Putin the ability to rule over the populace with extensive powers and making the nation into a single-party state.
By 2015, Russia stands as a semi-fascist autocracy in Eurasia, poised at expanding further into Ukraine. It shares very harsh relations with the United States, Westland, Britannia, however shares warm relations with Mexico and Germany.
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May 9, 2015, 3:58 am
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Greater Russian Republic
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- Real World Countries and Land Claimed: Russia, Belarus, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Crimea, and Donbass. (Donbass is disputed by Russia and Ukraine)
- Why you want to join: Altverse needs a Russia as it plays a big role in world affairs.
- Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Y
- Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Y
- Other: The GRR was declared by President Vladimir Putin in 2014 after the outbreak of unrest in Ukraine and the rising feeling of Russian nationalism within the nation. Belarus was soon annexed by June, along with the Russian client states of Abkhazia and South Ossetia later that month. A series of reforms went through the government, allowing President Putin the ability to rule over the populace with extensive powers and making the nation into a single-party state.
By 2015, Russia stands as a semi-fascist autocracy in Eurasia, poised at expanding further into Ukraine. It shares very harsh relations with the United States, Westland, Britannia, however shares warm relations with Mexico and Germany.
hm, I have some issues but there aren't anything that I think really needs to be worried about too much.
Mainly it's this:
I can see Russia annexing Donbass, and Crimea was annexed IRL though I will say that I'd imagine Crimea would also be disputed. Belarus, that's kinda iffy but knowing how close Russia and Belarus are I'm willing to live with it.
Abkhazia and South Ossetia though - those compose of territories that Georgia claims, a claim that is recognized by NATO. Furthermore Georgia is a NATO member-state. As such, I doubt that NATO would just sit by idly while Russia annexes what they consider to be Georgia's land. Such a move would probably lead to war, if not dangerously close to one. So, Abkhazia and South Ossetia is something that I have to say I don't really think that this Russia would have.
That having been said, it's something that can probably be worked through depending on how you have it play out IC'ly.
Otherwise, well seems like there's little issues but I do have to say that I will reserve my final judgement until I see the wiki page.
PS: "Greater Russian Republic", interesting choice for a name XD. I'm not joking or being sarcastic btw, I genuinely think it's an interesting choice. In Japanese that would be "大ロシア共和国" (Dai Roshia Kyouwakoku). I can't help but contrast it to the formal name of the Empire of Japan in Japanese, which is 大日本帝国 (Dai Nippon Teikoku) which literally translates into "Greater Japanese Empire".
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May 9, 2015, 9:49 am
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Greater Russian Republic
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- Real World Countries and Land Claimed: Russia, Belarus, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Crimea, and Donbass. (Donbass is disputed by Russia and Ukraine)
- Why you want to join: Altverse needs a Russia as it plays a big role in world affairs.
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By 2015, Russia stands as a semi-fascist autocracy in Eurasia, poised at expanding further into Ukraine. It shares very harsh relations with the United States, Westland, Britannia, however shares warm relations with Mexico and Germany.
Being close allies with Mexico will all the more help improve Mexico's standing now that Russia, an LN Security Council permanent member, can veto any actions done against Mexico. Also fascism :p
I support.
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May 9, 2015, 10:25 am
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Greater Russian Republic
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- Real World Countries and Land Claimed: Russia, Belarus, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Crimea, and Donbass. (Donbass is disputed by Russia and Ukraine)
- Why you want to join: Altverse needs a Russia as it plays a big role in world affairs.
- Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Y
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- Other: The GRR was declared by President Vladimir Putin in 2014 after the outbreak of unrest in Ukraine and the rising feeling of Russian nationalism within the nation. Belarus was soon annexed by June, along with the Russian client states of Abkhazia and South Ossetia later that month. A series of reforms went through the government, allowing President Putin the ability to rule over the populace with extensive powers and making the nation into a single-party state.
By 2015, Russia stands as a semi-fascist autocracy in Eurasia, poised at expanding further into Ukraine. It shares very harsh relations with the United States, Westland, Britannia, however shares warm relations with Mexico and Germany.
I support this in theory (although wouldn't be called the Greater Russian Federation? :P)
However, I feel that you should expand on Germany more, as it is a major world player before doing Russia. Also, what would its relation with China and Kurdistan be like?
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May 9, 2015, 11:57 pm
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Greater Russian Republic
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- Why you want to join: Altverse needs a Russia as it plays a big role in world affairs.
- Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Y
- Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Y
- Other: The GRR was declared by President Vladimir Putin in 2014 after the outbreak of unrest in Ukraine and the rising feeling of Russian nationalism within the nation. Belarus was soon annexed by June, along with the Russian client states of Abkhazia and South Ossetia later that month. A series of reforms went through the government, allowing President Putin the ability to rule over the populace with extensive powers and making the nation into a single-party state.
By 2015, Russia stands as a semi-fascist autocracy in Eurasia, poised at expanding further into Ukraine. It shares very harsh relations with the United States, Westland, Britannia, however shares warm relations with Mexico and Germany.
Is this Single party Russia state be capitalist or what, If India was to be there then India would have changed sides from Russia to the US right If Russia became a Single Party State. And also Russia expanding into Ukraine and other countries but why A SINGLE PARTY STATE. Looks like you can see Russia in this light only. A non democratic state with HUMAN RIGHTS problems trying to become a superpower and eating countries in its way. Just asking so that I make my project based over these...
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May 21, 2015, 10:23 pm
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May 21, 2015, 11:50 pm
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All that I may suggest at the moment is for the article to continue to be expanded (which you are already doing so ). I will leave it to Dog of War for his opinions regarding this application but a player-controlled Iraq would be interesting, especially with the issue of ISIS.
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May 22, 2015, 9:16 am
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Kingdom of Iraq
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- Why you want to join: Already joined, making second country.
- Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Y
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- Other: I decided to make a country based on Iraq. In its history, after 2003 invasion, the heir to the throne of Iraq, Sharif Ali bin al-Hussein, and his monarchist party were elected in a parliamentary election by preaching unity and restructuring of the country. Since then, Iraq has remained a constitutional monarchy.
All that I may suggest at the moment is for the article to continue to be expanded (which you are already doing so  ). I will leave it to Dog of War for his opinions regarding this application but a player-controlled Iraq would be interesting, especially with the issue of ISIS. Alright. If it is accepted, I was wondering what you guys think its relations would be with other player-controlled nations? Kingdom of Iraq would have bad relations with Kurdistan, I presume, though I don't know for the others, like your Sierra.
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