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Link http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/India Real World Countries and Land Claimed: India (except A&N islands), Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal Why you want to join: Because I want to roleplay my nation and an India is very neccesary Have you read everything concerning altverse: Yes Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies: Yes Other: Some things still need to be edited
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Since I have changed the history of the Kingdom of Oirat greatly as you have requested, is the nation approved?
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I have a similar question. Is Ukraine approved or not, now that the concerns have been addressed?
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June 4, 2015, 7:23 pm
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Bumped on behalf of all the applications to be addressed by the main members who had concerns on such applications (Dog of War and Zabuza). Once again, I will express my support openly once the latter two feel their concerns have been satisfied.
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Woah, calm down there.
First of all, I didn't say that you only listened to the major mainstream networks, I just told you you should avoid them completely and only listen to alternative ones. But as you said, I suppose they would be useful for getting the general idea of events, and then listening to other independent sources. I would not recommend any mainstream British sources for anything other than the general picture of things, such as the BBC, to be specific, in case you don't already use it for that purpose.
Also you probably should not rely too much on VICE news, while they are independent, they sadly seem to often times tow the US government's party line when it comes to the Ukraine crisis. I have used VICE myself before, but only for non-Ukraine issues (specifically for what is happening in Africa and Middle East, they have some pretty good reports on that.) VICE seems to largely buy into this whole anti-Putin streak that the US and other Western governments have built up. I have my own ideas for how my country should be run, but Putin has done a very good job so far and I don't see why people have a problem with him. Considering especially that the alternatives are far, far worse - either him, or Gennady Zyuganov, communist clown, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, basically a fascist, or an American collaborator (anyone from the "opposition", Navalny, Kasyanov, etc.) So I don't listen to all of this anti-Putin rhetoric too much, I think he is an OK leader and though he probably has some skeletons in the closet (like every politician, especially western ones), he is generally a good leader and I might vote for him if he runs in 2018.
Now I don't have time to watch the report you posted at the moment of this writing (I have a few minutes left before I have to go), I will watch it when I get home later today. However, as far as what I do know of the Russian media, I have had a generally good experience with them. They do showcase the Russian perspective (obviously), but from my time being in Russia and watching main Russian channels, I still checked independent sources while I was there, and I did not hear them say anything about Ukraine situation that turned out to be a lie (unlike some other media outlets I could mention). So generally I don't view the Russian media as too bad, but to be honest, I don't watch it very frequently, so its not a problem for me.
Now, to address what you said regarding Altverse concerns: First off, I see what you mean that people on the maidan do not want a corrupt regime. The radicals would handle this by, after rising to power and taking control of state television, would present evidence of the members of the new government working with the US and thus committing treason. The radicals would claim it was necessary, and will say that the regular system remains intact (including the democratically elected parliament). The people would not rise up as the new regime would not take any direct action against them, not to mention the parliament and cabinet of ministers remain as they were (mostly include people not related to their party to at least make an appearance of evening out the power). When Crimea is annexed by Russia and the regions in the east also declare their independence, they would declare martial law (understandably) to regain order and prevent other separatists from rising up (or so they would tell the public, which is part of the reason, but of course there is the reason of gaining more power as well). The average person will probably understand this. Not to mention that, again, the other parties will still have people in positions of power, most of the cabinet of ministers are not members of the radical parties that the president is from. With the Yanukovych era ministers replaced, the average person has no reason to rebel.
I guess you missed this, but I did address why I did not RP as much yet for Iraq and Congo, so I will repeat that:
In the news channels, I didn't want to put out a bunch of information at once since that would not be as realistic, I am going for one article every couple or few days, giving time for a big enough event to happen (like an official state visit or progress in a war). I am also keeping track of whats happening in Iraq in real life to base articles on those events as they unfold.
Other than that, I am working on articles and expansion of things related to Second Iraqi Civil War, but as I said before, I don't have the time to do everything at once, and I am working on it.
Sorry about the late reply - grandma came over from the US mainland, was busy.
As for the whole VICE News thing - I've found them to be very reliable for other things. I have no reason to believe that they aren't reliable about the Russia situation. Seriously, why does the fact that they showcase a certain point of view prove that they aren't reliable on the issue? As for the whole "US government's party line", I've already said this but I can sorta understand if you don't understand - when the US media acts as a propaganda outlet in recent times it hasn't been for the US government rather for one of the two major US political parties, perhaps the best example of this is FOX News being the mouthpiece of the Republican Party. I'm not 100% sure what the Democratic Party's mouthpiece is, but I'm 100% sure that they have at least one one.
That however, is not really influencing my Ukraine thing. If you want to continue your discussion about media, let's take it to PM's rather than the public forum so we can keep things on topic.
Now, I am still not convinced that the Ukrainians wouldn't rebel. You say that people from the Maidan protests would be put in positions of power in order to placate the populace - but from what I gather that doesn't mean that they have an influence in the government. They could very easily become puppets of the fascist party that you have had take over. People will eventually see through that, it's not a facade that can be kept up forever. Especially because that fascist party of yours made itself the ONLY LEGAL POLITICAL PARTY - if that isn't a sign that the fascists won't tolerate anyone that disagrees with them I don't know what is. I'm fairly certain that the moment they declared themselves the sole legal political party in Ukraine they'd have far more than simple separatists in eastern Ukraine to worry about.
Now, if they let other political parties exist, but made the legislature essentially a rubber-stamp (by executing anyone who doesn't vote the way that the fascist party wants them to vote, or something similar to force opposition legialators to vote in favor of what the fascists want), then maybe you could buy yourself some time to have the fascists rule Ukraine, but it would still be a ticking time-bomb, just waiting to go off (though, that could make for some interesting RP, come to think of it).
As for the whole "not enough RP" thing - I've decided to drop that. Not for the reason you've presented.
It's because I've realized that it's not that you haven't done any RP, it's that the Altverse community as a whole hasn't done enough RP that brings all members of the community together, or even gets more than one person involved for that matter. I've now realized that is what has been bothering me.
It's not fair to use that as a reason to deny your nation, so I'll drop the "not enough RP" thing entirely, and I apologize for bringing it up in the first place.
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June 5, 2015, 4:58 am
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YEEEEES. I APPROVE. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW LONG I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS.
I'm getting too excited aren't I? XD
It's just that Qatif has looked interesting to me since you first started making it's Wiki page, sorry if my enthusiasm is a bit too much. XD
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Woah, calm down there.
First of all, I didn't say that you only listened to the major mainstream networks, I just told you you should avoid them completely and only listen to alternative ones. But as you said, I suppose they would be useful for getting the general idea of events, and then listening to other independent sources. I would not recommend any mainstream British sources for anything other than the general picture of things, such as the BBC, to be specific, in case you don't already use it for that purpose.
Also you probably should not rely too much on VICE news, while they are independent, they sadly seem to often times tow the US government's party line when it comes to the Ukraine crisis. I have used VICE myself before, but only for non-Ukraine issues (specifically for what is happening in Africa and Middle East, they have some pretty good reports on that.) VICE seems to largely buy into this whole anti-Putin streak that the US and other Western governments have built up. I have my own ideas for how my country should be run, but Putin has done a very good job so far and I don't see why people have a problem with him. Considering especially that the alternatives are far, far worse - either him, or Gennady Zyuganov, communist clown, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, basically a fascist, or an American collaborator (anyone from the "opposition", Navalny, Kasyanov, etc.) So I don't listen to all of this anti-Putin rhetoric too much, I think he is an OK leader and though he probably has some skeletons in the closet (like every politician, especially western ones), he is generally a good leader and I might vote for him if he runs in 2018.
Now I don't have time to watch the report you posted at the moment of this writing (I have a few minutes left before I have to go), I will watch it when I get home later today. However, as far as what I do know of the Russian media, I have had a generally good experience with them. They do showcase the Russian perspective (obviously), but from my time being in Russia and watching main Russian channels, I still checked independent sources while I was there, and I did not hear them say anything about Ukraine situation that turned out to be a lie (unlike some other media outlets I could mention). So generally I don't view the Russian media as too bad, but to be honest, I don't watch it very frequently, so its not a problem for me.
Now, to address what you said regarding Altverse concerns: First off, I see what you mean that people on the maidan do not want a corrupt regime. The radicals would handle this by, after rising to power and taking control of state television, would present evidence of the members of the new government working with the US and thus committing treason. The radicals would claim it was necessary, and will say that the regular system remains intact (including the democratically elected parliament). The people would not rise up as the new regime would not take any direct action against them, not to mention the parliament and cabinet of ministers remain as they were (mostly include people not related to their party to at least make an appearance of evening out the power). When Crimea is annexed by Russia and the regions in the east also declare their independence, they would declare martial law (understandably) to regain order and prevent other separatists from rising up (or so they would tell the public, which is part of the reason, but of course there is the reason of gaining more power as well). The average person will probably understand this. Not to mention that, again, the other parties will still have people in positions of power, most of the cabinet of ministers are not members of the radical parties that the president is from. With the Yanukovych era ministers replaced, the average person has no reason to rebel.
I guess you missed this, but I did address why I did not RP as much yet for Iraq and Congo, so I will repeat that:
In the news channels, I didn't want to put out a bunch of information at once since that would not be as realistic, I am going for one article every couple or few days, giving time for a big enough event to happen (like an official state visit or progress in a war). I am also keeping track of whats happening in Iraq in real life to base articles on those events as they unfold.
Other than that, I am working on articles and expansion of things related to Second Iraqi Civil War, but as I said before, I don't have the time to do everything at once, and I am working on it.
Sorry about the late reply - grandma came over from the US mainland, was busy. As for the whole VICE News thing - I've found them to be very reliable for other things. I have no reason to believe that they aren't reliable about the Russia situation. Seriously, why does the fact that they showcase a certain point of view prove that they aren't reliable on the issue? As for the whole "US government's party line", I've already said this but I can sorta understand if you don't understand - when the US media acts as a propaganda outlet in recent times it hasn't been for the US government rather for one of the two major US political parties, perhaps the best example of this is FOX News being the mouthpiece of the Republican Party. I'm not 100% sure what the Democratic Party's mouthpiece is, but I'm 100% sure that they have at least one one. That however, is not really influencing my Ukraine thing. If you want to continue your discussion about media, let's take it to PM's rather than the public forum so we can keep things on topic. Now, I am still not convinced that the Ukrainians wouldn't rebel. You say that people from the Maidan protests would be put in positions of power in order to placate the populace - but from what I gather that doesn't mean that they have an influence in the government. They could very easily become puppets of the fascist party that you have had take over. People will eventually see through that, it's not a facade that can be kept up forever. Especially because that fascist party of yours made itself the ONLY LEGAL POLITICAL PARTY - if that isn't a sign that the fascists won't tolerate anyone that disagrees with them I don't know what is. I'm fairly certain that the moment they declared themselves the sole legal political party in Ukraine they'd have far more than simple separatists in eastern Ukraine to worry about. Now, if they let other political parties exist, but made the legislature essentially a rubber-stamp (by executing anyone who doesn't vote the way that the fascist party wants them to vote, or something similar to force opposition legialators to vote in favor of what the fascists want), then maybe you could buy yourself some time to have the fascists rule Ukraine, but it would still be a ticking time-bomb, just waiting to go off (though, that could make for some interesting RP, come to think of it). As for the whole "not enough RP" thing - I've decided to drop that. Not for the reason you've presented. It's because I've realized that it's not that you haven't done any RP, it's that the Altverse community as a whole hasn't done enough RP that brings all members of the community together, or even gets more than one person involved for that matter. I've now realized that is what has been bothering me. It's not fair to use that as a reason to deny your nation, so I'll drop the "not enough RP" thing entirely, and I apologize for bringing it up in the first place. OK, thanks for replying.
Alright, well, I suppose I could remove the part where they ban other political parties, in order to keep the population satisfied at least to some extent. Also, for some of their more drastic actions, they would use the separatism in the east and the Crimean annexation to justify it to the public and try to rally public support.
The other thing I wanted to bring up is that the fascists, once in power, would gather the maidan radicals and put them into a new National Guard of Ukraine (kind of like what happened in real life). This National Guard would be mostly Ukrainian ultranationalists and would be loyal to the new regime, which they could use to enforce their rule rather than rely on the mainly non-radical military and police.
Legislature would be the way you described it, basically, and the fascists would probably use the National Guard to intimidate them. The military would probably be forced to pledge allegiance to the new government and anyone who does not would be kicked out, or perhaps demoted to a lower rank. For example, in real life, the Ukrainian navy chief of staff defected to Russia once this began and so he would have to be replaced by the new government. They would try to fill up important posts in the military with people who are willing to work for them without asking too many questions.
And yes, it did seem to me like in the past months that RP in Altverse has been slowing down overall. I suppose this sudden influx of new participants/new countries (Oirat, Romania, India, Qatif, though I think some of those are still awaiting acceptance) would improve RP if we informed them about it, and increased cooperation. Maybe have like a sort of "meeting" in the wiki chat a couple or a few times every week to discuss weekly happenings in our nations and then come up with new ideas and state what countries want to say to each other regarding the events, and discuss other related issues, something like that.
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Woah, calm down there.
First of all, I didn't say that you only listened to the major mainstream networks, I just told you you should avoid them completely and only listen to alternative ones. But as you said, I suppose they would be useful for getting the general idea of events, and then listening to other independent sources. I would not recommend any mainstream British sources for anything other than the general picture of things, such as the BBC, to be specific, in case you don't already use it for that purpose.
Also you probably should not rely too much on VICE news, while they are independent, they sadly seem to often times tow the US government's party line when it comes to the Ukraine crisis. I have used VICE myself before, but only for non-Ukraine issues (specifically for what is happening in Africa and Middle East, they have some pretty good reports on that.) VICE seems to largely buy into this whole anti-Putin streak that the US and other Western governments have built up. I have my own ideas for how my country should be run, but Putin has done a very good job so far and I don't see why people have a problem with him. Considering especially that the alternatives are far, far worse - either him, or Gennady Zyuganov, communist clown, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, basically a fascist, or an American collaborator (anyone from the "opposition", Navalny, Kasyanov, etc.) So I don't listen to all of this anti-Putin rhetoric too much, I think he is an OK leader and though he probably has some skeletons in the closet (like every politician, especially western ones), he is generally a good leader and I might vote for him if he runs in 2018.
Now I don't have time to watch the report you posted at the moment of this writing (I have a few minutes left before I have to go), I will watch it when I get home later today. However, as far as what I do know of the Russian media, I have had a generally good experience with them. They do showcase the Russian perspective (obviously), but from my time being in Russia and watching main Russian channels, I still checked independent sources while I was there, and I did not hear them say anything about Ukraine situation that turned out to be a lie (unlike some other media outlets I could mention). So generally I don't view the Russian media as too bad, but to be honest, I don't watch it very frequently, so its not a problem for me.
Now, to address what you said regarding Altverse concerns: First off, I see what you mean that people on the maidan do not want a corrupt regime. The radicals would handle this by, after rising to power and taking control of state television, would present evidence of the members of the new government working with the US and thus committing treason. The radicals would claim it was necessary, and will say that the regular system remains intact (including the democratically elected parliament). The people would not rise up as the new regime would not take any direct action against them, not to mention the parliament and cabinet of ministers remain as they were (mostly include people not related to their party to at least make an appearance of evening out the power). When Crimea is annexed by Russia and the regions in the east also declare their independence, they would declare martial law (understandably) to regain order and prevent other separatists from rising up (or so they would tell the public, which is part of the reason, but of course there is the reason of gaining more power as well). The average person will probably understand this. Not to mention that, again, the other parties will still have people in positions of power, most of the cabinet of ministers are not members of the radical parties that the president is from. With the Yanukovych era ministers replaced, the average person has no reason to rebel.
I guess you missed this, but I did address why I did not RP as much yet for Iraq and Congo, so I will repeat that:
In the news channels, I didn't want to put out a bunch of information at once since that would not be as realistic, I am going for one article every couple or few days, giving time for a big enough event to happen (like an official state visit or progress in a war). I am also keeping track of whats happening in Iraq in real life to base articles on those events as they unfold.
Other than that, I am working on articles and expansion of things related to Second Iraqi Civil War, but as I said before, I don't have the time to do everything at once, and I am working on it.
Sorry about the late reply - grandma came over from the US mainland, was busy. As for the whole VICE News thing - I've found them to be very reliable for other things. I have no reason to believe that they aren't reliable about the Russia situation. Seriously, why does the fact that they showcase a certain point of view prove that they aren't reliable on the issue? As for the whole "US government's party line", I've already said this but I can sorta understand if you don't understand - when the US media acts as a propaganda outlet in recent times it hasn't been for the US government rather for one of the two major US political parties, perhaps the best example of this is FOX News being the mouthpiece of the Republican Party. I'm not 100% sure what the Democratic Party's mouthpiece is, but I'm 100% sure that they have at least one one. That however, is not really influencing my Ukraine thing. If you want to continue your discussion about media, let's take it to PM's rather than the public forum so we can keep things on topic. Now, I am still not convinced that the Ukrainians wouldn't rebel. You say that people from the Maidan protests would be put in positions of power in order to placate the populace - but from what I gather that doesn't mean that they have an influence in the government. They could very easily become puppets of the fascist party that you have had take over. People will eventually see through that, it's not a facade that can be kept up forever. Especially because that fascist party of yours made itself the ONLY LEGAL POLITICAL PARTY - if that isn't a sign that the fascists won't tolerate anyone that disagrees with them I don't know what is. I'm fairly certain that the moment they declared themselves the sole legal political party in Ukraine they'd have far more than simple separatists in eastern Ukraine to worry about. Now, if they let other political parties exist, but made the legislature essentially a rubber-stamp (by executing anyone who doesn't vote the way that the fascist party wants them to vote, or something similar to force opposition legialators to vote in favor of what the fascists want), then maybe you could buy yourself some time to have the fascists rule Ukraine, but it would still be a ticking time-bomb, just waiting to go off (though, that could make for some interesting RP, come to think of it). As for the whole "not enough RP" thing - I've decided to drop that. Not for the reason you've presented. It's because I've realized that it's not that you haven't done any RP, it's that the Altverse community as a whole hasn't done enough RP that brings all members of the community together, or even gets more than one person involved for that matter. I've now realized that is what has been bothering me. It's not fair to use that as a reason to deny your nation, so I'll drop the "not enough RP" thing entirely, and I apologize for bringing it up in the first place.
OK, thanks for replying. Alright, well, I suppose I could remove the part where they ban other political parties, in order to keep the population satisfied at least to some extent. Also, for some of their more drastic actions, they would use the separatism in the east and the Crimean annexation to justify it to the public and try to rally public support. The other thing I wanted to bring up is that the fascists, once in power, would gather the maidan radicals and put them into a new National Guard of Ukraine (kind of like what happened in real life). This National Guard would be mostly Ukrainian ultranationalists and would be loyal to the new regime, which they could use to enforce their rule rather than rely on the mainly non-radical military and police. Legislature would be the way you described it, basically, and the fascists would probably use the National Guard to intimidate them. The military would probably be forced to pledge allegiance to the new government and anyone who does not would be kicked out, or perhaps demoted to a lower rank. For example, in real life, the Ukrainian navy chief of staff defected to Russia once this began and so he would have to be replaced by the new government. They would try to fill up important posts in the military with people who are willing to work for them without asking too many questions. And yes, it did seem to me like in the past months that RP in Altverse has been slowing down overall. I suppose this sudden influx of new participants/new countries (Oirat, Romania, India, Qatif, though I think some of those are still awaiting acceptance) would improve RP if we informed them about it, and increased cooperation. Maybe have like a sort of "meeting" in the wiki chat a couple or a few times every week to discuss weekly happenings in our nations and then come up with new ideas and state what countries want to say to each other regarding the events, and discuss other related issues, something like that. That sounds like a good idea--and the reason for low activity is conflict with real life happenings (namely school/university) but since summer vacation is rolling by, there should be more activity. Your idea sounds like the right choice to employ to help introduce the newer members.
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