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Before your country can officially take part in the Altverse community, you must first go through the application process. Before you apply, make sure to read the Rules and the official page. In addition, you must provide a link to the main article of the country you plan to be using. Although strongly encouraged but not required, the article should be of decent length that provides sufficient information about the country. Be prepared to make the necessary changes to your country before it can be deemed a part of Altverse. Under no circumstance may you add your nation, claim your nation is part of, or otherwise insert information that may give the impression that your country is in any shape or form connected to Altverse and/or its material until you have been given explicit approval from the community consensus/moderator.

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[center][b]Your Country Name[/b][/center]
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[*][b]Real World Countries and Land Claimed[/b]:
[*][b]Why you want to join[/b]:
[*][b]Have you read everything concerning Altverse?[/b]: (Y/N)
[*][b]Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?[/b]: (Y/N)
[*][b]Other[/b]: Your additional comments here.
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  • Why you want to join: I really enjoy collaborating with others and I want to have fun.
  • Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Y
  • Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Y
  • Other: This is just an example but I'd like to point out that you can also provide links to other important pages related to your country to enhance understanding. Links to the government page, flags, or military are great.
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Switzerland though was largely neutral in the Cold War, and sided with neither the US or the USSR in international disputes. In World War Two Switzerland was probably never invaded by the Axis as it never made any moves to ally with the Allies. Portugal can be seen in a similar light - like Switzerland it would have been logical for it to join a side (Switzerland's German population and democratic heritage could mean it would be a natural ally to either side, as would Portugal's close links to the UK and semi-fascist government would make it understandable for them to join either side). As well as that, Turkey's histroy has been changed in Altverse- it was occupied in 1945 meaning the only country Oirat could trade with via a naval route would be Hellas. However, I can offer another suggestion - you could take the east coast of Azerbaijan and have a boarder with Iran, which could mean in WWII Britain would help keep Soviets out of Oirat (the only difference being that the Astrakhan SSR would be on the west coast). Its likely though Oirat would not be part of NATO, but CENTO instead, and that it only joins NATO in 1991.
True, CENTO does seem much more reasonable. Haven’t considered that. But of course that would mean Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Armenia would probably never have become SSRs as the Soviets had control of the Caspian, which was the primary way the SU could’ve taken the South Caucasus countries into their “communist union”. This means these three countries least likely have become communist; leaving of from the cut-off via the independence of Oirat, these three countries were under the sphre of influence of the Tsar, as the Tsar had control of the Caspian Sea’s trade that was essential for the survival of Azerbaijan, which would also impact Georgia and Armenia. During the October Revolution, the Russian Provisional Government handed off power over these states to the Special Transcaucasian Committee, which actually founded a short lived Transcaucasion Democratic Federative Republic [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcaucasian_Democratic_Federative_Republic] that composed of all three countries. In this alternate universe, the TDFR would’ve survived.

Either someone has to conworld the Transcaucasian Democratic Federative Republic or something else. I think it’s more likely that Persia/Iran under Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi would take over the TDFR than Oirat, and this way Oirat could still be apart of CENTO.

Cutting the Russo-Southern Causcaus boarder will always mean that its highly unlikely Oirat would survive without a large degree of Soviet influence. Geographically it would be in the USSR's eyes unacceptable for a pro western nation to be in its boarders, and they would stop all attempts to let the west take it into their fold (and seeing how the division of Europe was done by the allies it makes in unlikely they would let the USSR have all of Eastern Europe up to East Germany but have Oirat become so pro-western).

Possibly however you could have Britannia and the USSR invade Oirat in WWII after they invaded Iran, with the country being under joint Soviet-British administration, with eventually Oirat being forced to sign a neutrality treaty (like Austria) whilst giving some land to Russia. This will not see Oirat being pro-western, however it would greatly lessen the chance of a Soviet invasion although the government may be pro-Soviet like the Kuwaiti and Iraqi governments were as a pragmatic way of cooling tensions. However, tbh it would be much easier if Russia just had a boarder with a Causcaus nation.
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Switzerland though was largely neutral in the Cold War, and sided with neither the US or the USSR in international disputes. In World War Two Switzerland was probably never invaded by the Axis as it never made any moves to ally with the Allies. Portugal can be seen in a similar light - like Switzerland it would have been logical for it to join a side (Switzerland's German population and democratic heritage could mean it would be a natural ally to either side, as would Portugal's close links to the UK and semi-fascist government would make it understandable for them to join either side). As well as that, Turkey's histroy has been changed in Altverse- it was occupied in 1945 meaning the only country Oirat could trade with via a naval route would be Hellas. However, I can offer another suggestion - you could take the east coast of Azerbaijan and have a boarder with Iran, which could mean in WWII Britain would help keep Soviets out of Oirat (the only difference being that the Astrakhan SSR would be on the west coast). Its likely though Oirat would not be part of NATO, but CENTO instead, and that it only joins NATO in 1991.
True, CENTO does seem much more reasonable. Haven’t considered that. But of course that would mean Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Armenia would probably never have become SSRs as the Soviets had control of the Caspian, which was the primary way the SU could’ve taken the South Caucasus countries into their “communist union”. This means these three countries least likely have become communist; leaving of from the cut-off via the independence of Oirat, these three countries were under the sphre of influence of the Tsar, as the Tsar had control of the Caspian Sea’s trade that was essential for the survival of Azerbaijan, which would also impact Georgia and Armenia. During the October Revolution, the Russian Provisional Government handed off power over these states to the Special Transcaucasian Committee, which actually founded a short lived Transcaucasion Democratic Federative Republic [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcaucasian_Democratic_Federative_Republic] that composed of all three countries. In this alternate universe, the TDFR would’ve survived.

Either someone has to conworld the Transcaucasian Democratic Federative Republic or something else. I think it’s more likely that Persia/Iran under Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi would take over the TDFR than Oirat, and this way Oirat could still be apart of CENTO.

Cutting the Russo-Southern Causcaus boarder will always mean that its highly unlikely Oirat would survive without a large degree of Soviet influence. Geographically it would be in the USSR's eyes unacceptable for a pro western nation to be in its boarders, and they would stop all attempts to let the west take it into their fold (and seeing how the division of Europe was done by the allies it makes in unlikely they would let the USSR have all of Eastern Europe up to East Germany but have Oirat become so pro-western).

Possibly however you could have Britannia and the USSR invade Oirat in WWII after they invaded Iran, with the country being under joint Soviet-British administration, with eventually Oirat being forced to sign a neutrality treaty (like Austria) whilst giving some land to Russia. This will not see Oirat being pro-western, however it would greatly lessen the chance of a Soviet invasion although the government may be pro-Soviet like the Kuwaiti and Iraqi governments were as a pragmatic way of cooling tensions. However, tbh it would be much easier if Russia just had a boarder with a Causcaus nation.
I don’t think there’d be the possibility of a joint British-Soviet administration in Oirat, just one or the other, or the Germany situation, where there is a West and an East. But remember that Oirat is a major exporting country, not a major importer, as its main resources are distributed to other countries; the main thing its dependent on from other countries is food, which it gets from countries with Mediterranean climate allowing great agricultural exploits, for example Greece (or Hellas I guess). The West was able to take over oil industries in countries like Iran because of Reza Shah’s wish for authoritarian power over his country, but Oirat had a different situation that kept their oil industries nationalized. Like Azerbaijan’s refineries in Baku, Oirat also had a headstart when it came to a national oil industry. In the beginning the Soviet Union would not want Oirat to have any bonds with the West when it came to security and military.

In Oirat’s history I have noted these things already. Oirat Prime Minister Karuduman had an agreement with Stalin that if any country violated Oirat influence by the means of military and security, Oirat would not tolerate it. This meant all military/security vehicles and armed units from other countries were completely forbidden to operate on Oirat soil, waters, and airspace, including the Soviet Union. Oirat was also forbidden to make any military/security agreements and alliances with the West. However because the Soviet Union violated this agreement during the Black Ghost Incident of 1984, Oirat was free to accept an agreement with the West, which explains the country’s membership in NATO in 1985.

When I said pro-West, I wasn’t talking about military relations; I was talking about Oirat’s government structure and its trade. While you may say the same with Iran, Oirat and Iran are different.

Iran fell under the administration primarily due to the fact that Iran had nationalized its oil trade WHILE under British-Soviet jurisdiction of oil trade. Oirat’s oil trade was ALREADY nationalized since it began. Furthermore, Oirat had modernized its military since the 1930s and had a relatively small debt to the West and the Soviet Union; in fact more countries were in debt to Oirat, a country that had sold metals, oil, cloth for uniforms, and horses throughout WWII since the failure of Operation Barbarossa. On the other hand Iran was in debt as Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi spent ALOT during his plan (By 1978 Iran had the fifth largest armed forces in the entire world; that required a lot of money).

Also I have already proposed the Transcaucasian Democratic Federative Republic scenario and the Iran conquest scenario that would not allow Oirat to stay within Soviet borders and instead allow it to either border Iran, a new conworld, or some other idea you have.

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July 12, 2015, 4:46 pm
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July 12, 2015, 9:45 am
Switzerland though was largely neutral in the Cold War, and sided with neither the US or the USSR in international disputes. In World War Two Switzerland was probably never invaded by the Axis as it never made any moves to ally with the Allies. Portugal can be seen in a similar light - like Switzerland it would have been logical for it to join a side (Switzerland's German population and democratic heritage could mean it would be a natural ally to either side, as would Portugal's close links to the UK and semi-fascist government would make it understandable for them to join either side). As well as that, Turkey's histroy has been changed in Altverse- it was occupied in 1945 meaning the only country Oirat could trade with via a naval route would be Hellas. However, I can offer another suggestion - you could take the east coast of Azerbaijan and have a boarder with Iran, which could mean in WWII Britain would help keep Soviets out of Oirat (the only difference being that the Astrakhan SSR would be on the west coast). Its likely though Oirat would not be part of NATO, but CENTO instead, and that it only joins NATO in 1991.
True, CENTO does seem much more reasonable. Haven’t considered that. But of course that would mean Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Armenia would probably never have become SSRs as the Soviets had control of the Caspian, which was the primary way the SU could’ve taken the South Caucasus countries into their “communist union”. This means these three countries least likely have become communist; leaving of from the cut-off via the independence of Oirat, these three countries were under the sphre of influence of the Tsar, as the Tsar had control of the Caspian Sea’s trade that was essential for the survival of Azerbaijan, which would also impact Georgia and Armenia. During the October Revolution, the Russian Provisional Government handed off power over these states to the Special Transcaucasian Committee, which actually founded a short lived Transcaucasion Democratic Federative Republic [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcaucasian_Democratic_Federative_Republic] that composed of all three countries. In this alternate universe, the TDFR would’ve survived.

Either someone has to conworld the Transcaucasian Democratic Federative Republic or something else. I think it’s more likely that Persia/Iran under Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi would take over the TDFR than Oirat, and this way Oirat could still be apart of CENTO.

Cutting the Russo-Southern Causcaus boarder will always mean that its highly unlikely Oirat would survive without a large degree of Soviet influence. Geographically it would be in the USSR's eyes unacceptable for a pro western nation to be in its boarders, and they would stop all attempts to let the west take it into their fold (and seeing how the division of Europe was done by the allies it makes in unlikely they would let the USSR have all of Eastern Europe up to East Germany but have Oirat become so pro-western).

Possibly however you could have Britannia and the USSR invade Oirat in WWII after they invaded Iran, with the country being under joint Soviet-British administration, with eventually Oirat being forced to sign a neutrality treaty (like Austria) whilst giving some land to Russia. This will not see Oirat being pro-western, however it would greatly lessen the chance of a Soviet invasion although the government may be pro-Soviet like the Kuwaiti and Iraqi governments were as a pragmatic way of cooling tensions. However, tbh it would be much easier if Russia just had a boarder with a Causcaus nation.
I don’t think there’d be the possibility of a joint British-Soviet administration in Oirat, just one or the other, or the Germany situation, where there is a West and an East. But remember that Oirat is a major exporting country, not a major importer, as its main resources are distributed to other countries; the main thing its dependent on from other countries is food, which it gets from countries with Mediterranean climate allowing great agricultural exploits, for example Greece (or Hellas I guess). The West was able to take over oil industries in countries like Iran because of Reza Shah’s wish for authoritarian power over his country, but Oirat had a different situation that kept their oil industries nationalized. Like Azerbaijan’s refineries in Baku, Oirat also had a headstart when it came to a national oil industry. In the beginning the Soviet Union would not want Oirat to have any bonds with the West when it came to security and military.

In Oirat’s history I have noted these things already. Oirat Prime Minister Karuduman had an agreement with Stalin that if any country violated Oirat influence by the means of military and security, Oirat would not tolerate it. This meant all military/security vehicles and armed units from other countries were completely forbidden to operate on Oirat soil, waters, and airspace, including the Soviet Union. Oirat was also forbidden to make any military/security agreements and alliances with the West. However because the Soviet Union violated this agreement during the Black Ghost Incident of 1984, Oirat was free to accept an agreement with the West, which explains the country’s membership in NATO in 1985.

When I said pro-West, I wasn’t talking about military relations; I was talking about Oirat’s government structure and its trade. While you may say the same with Iran, Oirat and Iran are different.

Iran fell under the administration primarily due to the fact that Iran had nationalized its oil trade WHILE under British-Soviet jurisdiction of oil trade. Oirat’s oil trade was ALREADY nationalized since it began. Furthermore, Oirat had modernized its military since the 1930s and had a relatively small debt to the West and the Soviet Union; in fact more countries were in debt to Oirat, a country that had sold metals, oil, cloth for uniforms, and horses throughout WWII since the failure of Operation Barbarossa. On the other hand Iran was in debt as Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi spent ALOT during his plan (By 1978 Iran had the fifth largest armed forces in the entire world; that required a lot of money).

Also I have already proposed the Transcaucasian Democratic Federative Republic scenario and the Iran conquest scenario that would not allow Oirat to stay within Soviet borders and instead allow it to either border Iran, a new conworld, or some other idea you have.

Neither the Transcausian nor Iranian idea would work very well, as it Altverse Turkey is invaded by the USSR through the Armenian SSR. Even if Kurdistan was still in Altverse it would also be invaded by the USSR through the Armenian SSR. It would also mean someone would have to roleplay as any of the Causcaus nations which all split from the Transcausian federation. As for the Iran scenario, I doubt the Islamic Revolution would spread to Christian Georgia and Armenia who would likely attain independence beforehand. The Invasion of Iran was also done to open up the Persian Corridor, something that would be useless if the Causcaus was not under Soviet control. The Soviets would also most likely respect Oirat's neutrality, as they would rather a passive neighbour then an anti-Soviet one. If they did spying, it would probably not be so blatant as to be in radar's range, and certainly not under the rule of any Soviet premier past Stalin or possibly Khrushchev (Brezhnev and his successors were more careful on the international scene whilst Gorbachev would probably not do such a thing in the first place.) I just can't see a way for Oirat to not have overwhelming Soviet influence without a Russo-Causcaus boarder existing. Seriously, I would like to see Oirat to become part of Altverse, but its location means that it does create a problem.
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Neither the Transcausian nor Iranian idea would work very well, as it Altverse Turkey is invaded by the USSR through the Armenian SSR. Even if Kurdistan was still in Altverse it would also be invaded by the USSR through the Armenian SSR. It would also mean someone would have to roleplay as any of the Causcaus nations which all split from the Transcausian federation. As for the Iran scenario, I doubt the Islamic Revolution would spread to Christian Georgia and Armenia who would likely attain independence beforehand. The Invasion of Iran was also done to open up the Persian Corridor, something that would be useless if the Causcaus was not under Soviet control. The Soviets would also most likely respect Oirat's neutrality, as they would rather a passive neighbour then an anti-Soviet one. If they did spying, it would probably not be so blatant as to be in radar's range, and certainly not under the rule of any Soviet premier past Stalin or possibly Khrushchev (Brezhnev and his successors were more careful on the international scene whilst Gorbachev would probably not do such a thing in the first place.) I just can't see a way for Oirat to not have overwhelming Soviet influence without a Russo-Causcaus boarder existing. Seriously, I would like to see Oirat to become part of Altverse, but its location means that it does create a problem.
True, however Azerbaijan would probably be apart of Iran due to it formerly being a khanate that was tribute to Persia before the Soviet Union existed. Oirat being older than the Soviet Union, Azerbaijan would probably have stayed a part of Persia. I think Georgia and Armenia were tribute states or something to either the Ottomans or Persians but I gotta check. Probably Georgia would be come under Russian Tsarist jurisdiction, or at least within a sphere of influence, but I doubt this would effect Joseph Stalin title as a Bolshevik, since he was practically a to-be-communistic radical since he entered the Georgian workplace and would most likely join the nearest, most promising communist party (that is the Bolsheviks) given the opportunity. I doubt that Oirat’s existence would defeat the purpose of creating trade routes of Anglo-Soviet benefit since the Astrakhan SSR provided a route from the Caucasus to Astrakhan and then Stalingrad/Volgograd. In fact the Astrakhan SSR covers the main Transcaucasian trade route (there you go, a Russo-Caucasus border). Remember that the Astrakhan SSR existed during the time between the two World Wars until the just prior to the dissolution of the SU.

Also, during the Black Ghost Incident, irregular sonar readings from cetacean sonar readers built by the Sochi Institute of Marine Ecology (for studying the Black Sea bottlenose dolphin species), led to the discovery of Soviet submarine espionage on KOZK naval vessels, not radar. Of course the reason for this incident to take place is probably stemmed from skepticism on Oirat’s relationship with the Soviet Union’s “rivals”.

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Rainier

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The Great Republic of Alakshak

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  • Why you want to join: Because I think it’s interesting.
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I only have one problem - I would like Rainier to have a boarder with Canada, otherwise they won't have British influence which plays a huge part in Rainierian history. If British Columbia was entirely part of Russian Alaska, then Britannia would never have laid claim to Rainier which would change everything about Rainier. You could have only part of British Columbia or the north western territory in 1867 (map found here). Apart from that I would give support.
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The Great Republic of Alakshak

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  • Why you want to join: Because I think it’s interesting.
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I only have one problem - I would like Rainier to have a boarder with Canada, otherwise they won't have British influence which plays a huge part in Rainierian history. If British Columbia was entirely part of Russian Alaska, then Britannia would never have laid claim to Rainier which would change everything about Rainier. You could have only part of British Columbia or the north western territory in 1867 (map found here). Apart from that I would give support.
It has been changed. Alakshak now encompasses Alaska, Yukon, a small, Northwest portion of Canada’s Northwest Territories (for the sake of allowing the culturally significant and important Mackenzie River and various aboriginal villages to be part of Alakshak, and the Northwest quarter coastal portion of British Columbia that divided the Russian and British boundary during the colonial period. You can check the new map.
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