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The United Colonies of Eastern British America
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- Why you want to join: This sounds like a fantastic idea to me and I'd love to join in on it. It's like a political version of Dungeons and Dragons lol.
- Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: I've read the rules and a few user pages. I think I got it all down.
- Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: I agree to have my page modified, or be force to modify, if need be. Yes.
- Other: I'm kind of confused as to this concept. We have to agree to be faithful to history, right? And we have to make plausible scenarios , right? How faithful do we have to be towards other people's territories?
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India
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- Why you want to join: I am a military and political enthusiast and Altverse is in need of an India after Dog of War left it. I live in India and I know what I can do with it to contribute to Altverse
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- Other: http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Indian_Armed_Forces To give you an overview of the military power. India is going to have a joint army with Nepal and Bhutan
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The Kingdom of Oirat
- http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Oirat
- Real World Countries and Land Claimed: Adygea (Russian federal subject), Krasnodar Krai (Russian federal subject), Karachay-Cherkessia (Russian federal subject), Ingushetia (Russian federal subject), Chechnya (Russian federal subject), Dagestan (Russian federal subject), Stavropol Krai (Russian federal subject), Kalmykia (Russian federal subject), Astrakhan Oblast (Russian federal subject), Rostov Oblast (Russian federal subject), Voronezh Oblast (Russian federal subject).
- Why you want to join: I’ve already tried before (perhaps a year ago?)
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Why Oirat CAN exist throughout the Cold War: 1. Accumulation of wealth for a strong economy during World War II; Allies were in a great debt to Oirat after World War II. 2. Presence of British Navy in Crimea post-WWII, prompting Stalin to use a verbal demand in order to have Oirat agree on evicting the British Navy from Crimea in the 1950s, rather than invade it. 3. Trade with Hellas 4. Nuclear weaponization in 1868 after a little less than two decades of effort, which pretty much demolished Khruschev’s dreams of ever conquering Oirat. 5. Developing a modernized military of more than a million soldiers as well as two million more in trained civilian soldiers. 6. Very self-sufficient country (The country has a modernized industry in addition to a vast agricultural region particularly in Kuban, many coal deposits, oil reserves, Caucasus ore and gold mining, rare mineral mining, cattle industry, etc)
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December 27, 2015, 3:22 am
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The Republic of Iran
- http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Republic_of_Iran
- Real World Countries and Land Claimed: Everything that belongs to the real Iran.<br />
- Why you want to join: I already have (by the way I want to discontinue Alakshak, but I guess since it has not been integrated into Altverse, there’s no need for me to do anything about it now)
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Basically the Republic of Iran is an alternate history of Iran in which the United States under D. Eisenhower was not asked by the British government to participate in the 1953 coup of Mosaddegh’s government, and that the coup began a civil war in Iran between the anti-Shah Iranian Liberation Front first led by Karim Sanjabi, who was former Prime Minister Mosaddegh’s deputy, and later Mosaddegh himself (after being released from military prison by mutineers), against the British-backed regime led by the Shah monarch. The war ended in 1955 with the Shah ousted from power and evicted, and with the founding of a secular democratic republic with a multi-party system under Mosaddegh, and later Sanjabi as a temporary replacement after Mosaddegh’s death.
Between the establishment of the Republic and the alternate Iran-Iraq War is the Twilight Era, a period described by internal political conflicts between a huge number of different parties, all of which with different ideas and priorities which makes the legislative body, the National Assembly, a very ineffective government body due to the disagreements on resolutions to a huge variety of problems; most issues are dismissed to be resolved later, and no progress is really made.
Because of this there are plenty of rebellions that start all over the nation for different reasons, which are violently suppressed by the government. Protests are a huge problem, because many protestors are workers on strike, especially in the vital oil and natural gas industry. Because of the decline of production, there is no industrial revenue, and the byproduct of this issue it increased inflation, unemployment, and debt.
By the time the alternate Iran-Iraq War is about to begin, there are two main opposing candidates for the next presidency. One is Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who is a real person, but in this alternate history Khomeini is not in power yet, but is gaining many supporters who are primarily conservative Shia Muslims. The second candidate is Ali Kharavi, who in real life was a communist and member/spokesperson of real Iran’s exiled Communist Party, the Tudeh Party, but in this alternate history, he visits the United States in the 60s and 70s and adopts a neo-conservative political standpoint and embraces capitalist economics; Kharavi also supports multilateralism and Iranian membership into NATO.
When the Iran-Iraq War begins, Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi Army is obviously better trained, organized, and equipped than Iran’s Armed Forces, which has suffered from mass arrests, resignations, and dismissals within its ranks due to corruption in military leadership (for instance military leaders who are Shia Islamist would dismiss or arrest any lower-ranked members of the military who are not Shia Muslims), as well as the public’s condemnation of soldiers who participated in the suppression of various rebellions.
Iraq at first has the advantage and hope seems to be lost. But then the United States and its NATO allies speak with Ali Kharavi, and proposes that they will train and resupply Iran’s Armed Forces in exchange for Iran’s membership into NATO as well as an annual tribute payment to NATO countries in gas and oil. The proposal becomes popular and thus Ali Kharavi becomes the new President of Iran, defeating the Ayatollah and replacing acting president Sanjabi. Iran joins NATO and begins recieving aid from NATO, and they turn the tables of war. Also because of the tribute payment in gas and oil, industrial workers are swayed to stop protesting. Also, a lot of women joined the labor force, which strengthened the women’s rights movement in Iran.
Basically at the end of the day Iran is a NATO member, the greatest secular power in the Middle East, and has participated in the Gulf War and the War in Afghanistan and Iraq. Iran also has nuclear weapons with the approval of NPT countries and has signed the NPT so the Iranian Nuclear Deal never existed. Problems that Iran needs to handle now includes the ISIL problem.
And if you are going to accept this, you may have to remind Alex to change the history for his “Kingdom of Iraq”.
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December 27, 2015, 2:15 pm
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The Republic of Iran
- http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Republic_of_Iran
- Real World Countries and Land Claimed: Everything that belongs to the real Iran.<br />
- Why you want to join: I already have (by the way I want to discontinue Alakshak, but I guess since it has not been integrated into Altverse, there’s no need for me to do anything about it now)
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Basically the Republic of Iran is an alternate history of Iran in which the United States under D. Eisenhower was not asked by the British government to participate in the 1953 coup of Mosaddegh’s government, and that the coup began a civil war in Iran between the anti-Shah Iranian Liberation Front first led by Karim Sanjabi, who was former Prime Minister Mosaddegh’s deputy, and later Mosaddegh himself (after being released from military prison by mutineers), against the British-backed regime led by the Shah monarch. The war ended in 1955 with the Shah ousted from power and evicted, and with the founding of a secular democratic republic with a multi-party system under Mosaddegh, and later Sanjabi as a temporary replacement after Mosaddegh’s death.
Between the establishment of the Republic and the alternate Iran-Iraq War is the Twilight Era, a period described by internal political conflicts between a huge number of different parties, all of which with different ideas and priorities which makes the legislative body, the National Assembly, a very ineffective government body due to the disagreements on resolutions to a huge variety of problems; most issues are dismissed to be resolved later, and no progress is really made.
Because of this there are plenty of rebellions that start all over the nation for different reasons, which are violently suppressed by the government. Protests are a huge problem, because many protestors are workers on strike, especially in the vital oil and natural gas industry. Because of the decline of production, there is no industrial revenue, and the byproduct of this issue it increased inflation, unemployment, and debt.
By the time the alternate Iran-Iraq War is about to begin, there are two main opposing candidates for the next presidency. One is Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who is a real person, but in this alternate history Khomeini is not in power yet, but is gaining many supporters who are primarily conservative Shia Muslims. The second candidate is Ali Kharavi, who in real life was a communist and member/spokesperson of real Iran’s exiled Communist Party, the Tudeh Party, but in this alternate history, he visits the United States in the 60s and 70s and adopts a neo-conservative political standpoint and embraces capitalist economics; Kharavi also supports multilateralism and Iranian membership into NATO.
When the Iran-Iraq War begins, Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi Army is obviously better trained, organized, and equipped than Iran’s Armed Forces, which has suffered from mass arrests, resignations, and dismissals within its ranks due to corruption in military leadership (for instance military leaders who are Shia Islamist would dismiss or arrest any lower-ranked members of the military who are not Shia Muslims), as well as the public’s condemnation of soldiers who participated in the suppression of various rebellions.
Iraq at first has the advantage and hope seems to be lost. But then the United States and its NATO allies speak with Ali Kharavi, and proposes that they will train and resupply Iran’s Armed Forces in exchange for Iran’s membership into NATO as well as an annual tribute payment to NATO countries in gas and oil. The proposal becomes popular and thus Ali Kharavi becomes the new President of Iran, defeating the Ayatollah and replacing acting president Sanjabi. Iran joins NATO and begins recieving aid from NATO, and they turn the tables of war. Also because of the tribute payment in gas and oil, industrial workers are swayed to stop protesting. Also, a lot of women joined the labor force, which strengthened the women’s rights movement in Iran.
Basically at the end of the day Iran is a NATO member, the greatest secular power in the Middle East, and has participated in the Gulf War and the War in Afghanistan and Iraq. Iran also has nuclear weapons with the approval of NPT countries and has signed the NPT so the Iranian Nuclear Deal never existed. Problems that Iran needs to handle now includes the ISIL problem.
And if you are going to accept this, you may have to remind Alex to change the history for his “Kingdom of Iraq”.
(1) NATO only expands into areas in the north Atlantic. Iran was part of CENTO (the Middle Eastern equivalent of NATO) and at best would be a part of NATO's Istanbul Cooperation Initiative/a global partner (like Iraq and Kuwait). They would not be part of NATO. As well as that, its unlikely Iran would be as pro-west as anti-British and anti-Israeli sentiment would run very high. 2) NPT only allows 5 countries to have nuclear weapons, and due to geopolitics none of the members unanimously agree on another state getting nuclear weapons. Generally if you want a nuke you don't sign the NPT (the USA doesn't really want the DPRK to have nukes but as they aren't NPT they can somewhat get away with it). 3) I doubt Ali Khavari would suddenly convert to capitalism and neoconservatism, bearing in mind he was a member of the Marxist-Leninist Tudeh Party in the 1960's - at that time being a member of the Tudeh Party was the worst political crime you could commit in Iran. Only the most committed communists continued being in the party after 1953, and if you know committed communists they are nothing if not dogmatic. 4) Iranians are fiercely proud of their independence as a nation - I doubt a proposal where joining an organisation co-created by the UK, dominated by the USA and supportive of Israel would fill them with glee, especially contrasted with Khomeni who was a very good populist (prior to the revolution Khomeni was not just seen as a raving Islamist but also as a man who genuinely wanted democracy in Iran - he was nothing if not a good politician). 5) Saddam would never in his wildest dreams have invaded Iran if not for the revolution and US support of such an invasion. When the revolution happened the Sunni Arab states, the USA and Saddam were terrified of Iran with Saddam afraid Khomeni would rally Iraqi Shias to overthrow his Sunni minority government. He then went to the USSR and the USA to get support for an Iraqi invasion of Iran which they let him do so he could take out the Iranian regime. Without the revolution or even Khomeni siply taking power and rallying Shia Muslims Saddam would have had absolutely no need to invade Iran, and would likely still be in power being bankrolled by the USA or Russia. This would change the entire Middle East as there would be - -no Gulf War as Saddam would have no need to invade Kuwait and thus still be a useful ally of sorts to Sunni states -no Iraq War as Saddam would not have pissed off his allies in the Gulf War meaning Saddam would still be in power in Iraq - Islamism would be a smaller force as Iraq would not have become a breeding ground for jihardists -Daesh flat out wouldn't exist as Saddam cracked down on Islamists and they only got power because the Sunni's who made up Saddam's regime joined daesh. -Syria probably wouldn't be in a civil war as jihardists from Iraq wouldn't have gone over into Syria, and Sunni-Shia tensions would likely be less pronounced. 6) "Anyone who desires to collaborate with an existing nation of the Altverse must join the Altverse community and ensure that their nation complies with the Altverse history. If the two's histories are incompatible, the person expressing interest must agree to modify their nation's history where ever, and whenever necessary."
Please bear in mind I'm not pulling this out of my arse to be nasty, but because I feel there are legitimate problems that need to be addressed and can be addressed very easily (not joining NATO, not signing the NPT/or not having nukes and having Iran at least have Khomeni in power for a couple of years prompting the Iran-Iraq War and creating groups like Hezbollah would instantly make me support this nation).
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The Republic of Iran
- http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Republic_of_Iran
- Real World Countries and Land Claimed: Everything that belongs to the real Iran.<br />
- Why you want to join: I already have (by the way I want to discontinue Alakshak, but I guess since it has not been integrated into Altverse, there’s no need for me to do anything about it now)
- Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Y
- Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Y
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Basically the Republic of Iran is an alternate history of Iran in which the United States under D. Eisenhower was not asked by the British government to participate in the 1953 coup of Mosaddegh’s government, and that the coup began a civil war in Iran between the anti-Shah Iranian Liberation Front first led by Karim Sanjabi, who was former Prime Minister Mosaddegh’s deputy, and later Mosaddegh himself (after being released from military prison by mutineers), against the British-backed regime led by the Shah monarch. The war ended in 1955 with the Shah ousted from power and evicted, and with the founding of a secular democratic republic with a multi-party system under Mosaddegh, and later Sanjabi as a temporary replacement after Mosaddegh’s death.
Between the establishment of the Republic and the alternate Iran-Iraq War is the Twilight Era, a period described by internal political conflicts between a huge number of different parties, all of which with different ideas and priorities which makes the legislative body, the National Assembly, a very ineffective government body due to the disagreements on resolutions to a huge variety of problems; most issues are dismissed to be resolved later, and no progress is really made.
Because of this there are plenty of rebellions that start all over the nation for different reasons, which are violently suppressed by the government. Protests are a huge problem, because many protestors are workers on strike, especially in the vital oil and natural gas industry. Because of the decline of production, there is no industrial revenue, and the byproduct of this issue it increased inflation, unemployment, and debt.
By the time the alternate Iran-Iraq War is about to begin, there are two main opposing candidates for the next presidency. One is Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who is a real person, but in this alternate history Khomeini is not in power yet, but is gaining many supporters who are primarily conservative Shia Muslims. The second candidate is Ali Kharavi, who in real life was a communist and member/spokesperson of real Iran’s exiled Communist Party, the Tudeh Party, but in this alternate history, he visits the United States in the 60s and 70s and adopts a neo-conservative political standpoint and embraces capitalist economics; Kharavi also supports multilateralism and Iranian membership into NATO.
When the Iran-Iraq War begins, Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi Army is obviously better trained, organized, and equipped than Iran’s Armed Forces, which has suffered from mass arrests, resignations, and dismissals within its ranks due to corruption in military leadership (for instance military leaders who are Shia Islamist would dismiss or arrest any lower-ranked members of the military who are not Shia Muslims), as well as the public’s condemnation of soldiers who participated in the suppression of various rebellions.
Iraq at first has the advantage and hope seems to be lost. But then the United States and its NATO allies speak with Ali Kharavi, and proposes that they will train and resupply Iran’s Armed Forces in exchange for Iran’s membership into NATO as well as an annual tribute payment to NATO countries in gas and oil. The proposal becomes popular and thus Ali Kharavi becomes the new President of Iran, defeating the Ayatollah and replacing acting president Sanjabi. Iran joins NATO and begins recieving aid from NATO, and they turn the tables of war. Also because of the tribute payment in gas and oil, industrial workers are swayed to stop protesting. Also, a lot of women joined the labor force, which strengthened the women’s rights movement in Iran.
Basically at the end of the day Iran is a NATO member, the greatest secular power in the Middle East, and has participated in the Gulf War and the War in Afghanistan and Iraq. Iran also has nuclear weapons with the approval of NPT countries and has signed the NPT so the Iranian Nuclear Deal never existed. Problems that Iran needs to handle now includes the ISIL problem.
And if you are going to accept this, you may have to remind Alex to change the history for his “Kingdom of Iraq”.
(1) NATO only expands into areas in the north Atlantic. Iran was part of CENTO (the Middle Eastern equivalent of NATO) and at best would be a part of NATO's Istanbul Cooperation Initiative/a global partner (like Iraq and Kuwait). They would not be part of NATO. As well as that, its unlikely Iran would be as pro-west as anti-British and anti-Israeli sentiment would run very high. 2) NPT only allows 5 countries to have nuclear weapons, and due to geopolitics none of the members unanimously agree on another state getting nuclear weapons. Generally if you want a nuke you don't sign the NPT (the USA doesn't really want the DPRK to have nukes but as they aren't NPT they can somewhat get away with it). 3) I doubt Ali Khavari would suddenly convert to capitalism and neoconservatism, bearing in mind he was a member of the Marxist-Leninist Tudeh Party in the 1960's - at that time being a member of the Tudeh Party was the worst political crime you could commit in Iran. Only the most committed communists continued being in the party after 1953, and if you know committed communists they are nothing if not dogmatic. 4) Iranians are fiercely proud of their independence as a nation - I doubt a proposal where joining an organisation co-created by the UK, dominated by the USA and supportive of Israel would fill them with glee, especially contrasted with Khomeni who was a very good populist (prior to the revolution Khomeni was not just seen as a raving Islamist but also as a man who genuinely wanted democracy in Iran - he was nothing if not a good politician). 5) Saddam would never in his wildest dreams have invaded Iran if not for the revolution and US support of such an invasion. When the revolution happened the Sunni Arab states, the USA and Saddam were terrified of Iran with Saddam afraid Khomeni would rally Iraqi Shias to overthrow his Sunni minority government. He then went to the USSR and the USA to get support for an Iraqi invasion of Iran which they let him do so he could take out the Iranian regime. Without the revolution or even Khomeni siply taking power and rallying Shia Muslims Saddam would have had absolutely no need to invade Iran, and would likely still be in power being bankrolled by the USA or Russia. This would change the entire Middle East as there would be - -no Gulf War as Saddam would have no need to invade Kuwait and thus still be a useful ally of sorts to Sunni states -no Iraq War as Saddam would not have pissed off his allies in the Gulf War meaning Saddam would still be in power in Iraq - Islamism would be a smaller force as Iraq would not have become a breeding ground for jihardists -Daesh flat out wouldn't exist as Saddam cracked down on Islamists and they only got power because the Sunni's who made up Saddam's regime joined daesh. -Syria probably wouldn't be in a civil war as jihardists from Iraq wouldn't have gone over into Syria, and Sunni-Shia tensions would likely be less pronounced. 6) "Anyone who desires to collaborate with an existing nation of the Altverse must join the Altverse community and ensure that their nation complies with the Altverse history. If the two's histories are incompatible, the person expressing interest must agree to modify their nation's history where ever, and whenever necessary." Please bear in mind I'm not pulling this out of my arse to be nasty, but because I feel there are legitimate problems that need to be addressed and can be addressed very easily (not joining NATO, not signing the NPT/or not having nukes and having Iran at least have Khomeni in power for a couple of years prompting the Iran-Iraq War and creating groups like Hezbollah would instantly make me support this nation). 1) Yeah I encountered that problem too. I was going to use the Baghdad Pact but it was dissolved in 1979 and the US is not a member (for the sake of the alternate history I came up with), which is why I used NATO. There three ways out of this: (1) I see that some Altverse countries are part of the League of Nations despite its abolishment in real history; (2) The Baghdad Pact still exists but it went way differently; (3) Construct a new pact, a fictional one, that would permit Iran to ally with the US and allies.
2) No no no. They signed it AFTER they developed nuclear weapons. Before that they refused to sign the NPT, but once that had them, a while later they decided to sign it.
3) First of all the real Ali Khavari led the Tudeh Party in the 1990s. During the 50s he would be quite young and inexperienced. Think of him as Red Guard material with a little red book and has read Marx in his high school years. When the Iran Civil War breaks out in this time he would a frightened teenager who would be desperate to leave Iran rather than join either side of the Civil War, both (Shah or Mosaddegh) of which he is against, but thankfully the United States is accepting refugees (‘cause it’s the Cold War). In the 60s and 70s he would be an adult living in America in this alternate timeline.
4) Yeah of course they might not, but this isn’t the 70s Revolution era, oh no. In this alternate timeline, Iranians are hating on each other (rebellions, protests), they can’t agree on a leader (internal conflicts, corruption in administrative departments), they can’t agree on the resolutions to certain issues (official religion or not? women’s rights or no? worker’s unions or no? minimum wage or no?), they are broken apart, and right next door is the Iraqi Stalin (Saddam) who has a highly trained army armed with weapons of massed destruction thinking about invading them. The last resort would be to ask the United States for help when they are offering it in exchange for a price you are capable of paying later. Remember in this timeline Britain doesn’t ask the US for help, Iran has no beef with Israel because Mosaddegh’s legacy didn’t permit it, and their beloved Mosaddegh lived to lead Iran with secular ideals that were part of his legacy.
5) Even in this alternate timeline, the Ayatollah was practically trying to start an Islamic Revolution in Iran, and he had more supporters than Khavari at first so it seemed he would become leader of Iran, which is one of the reasons. Another is the river border dispute. Also you have to consider the fact that Iran was weak and had no military alliances or multilateral defense agreements at the time. Think of it like Saddam’s “Iraqi expansionism” ideology going into effect. Iran’s oil production was already swirling down the toilet because of the worker strikes so countries like in Europe had no interest in saving Iran when they could get the oil from other countries like Saudi Arabia.
6) Here’s an excerpt from the Kingdom of Iraq article for your reference: “After the success of the 1979 Iranian Revolution, President Saddam Hussein initially welcomed the overthrow of the Shah and sought to establish good relations with Ayatollah Khomeini's new government. However, Khomeini openly called for the spread of the Islamic Revolution to Iraq, arming Shiite and Kurdish rebels against Saddam's regime and sponsoring assassination attempts on senior Iraqi officials."
I could change it so that the Ayatollah begins a violent Islamic Revolution in 1979 within the Republic of Iran (instead of the Shah-controlled regime) in which Sanjabi is forced to resign and be replaced by Khomeini. Hussein at first praises this, but then Khomeini’s statements threaten Hussein’s regime and Khomeini’s revolutionaries begin to arm Iraqi Kurds and Shiites. Basically what happens is the Islamic Revolution is somewhat successful and Sanjabi kind of slips away to allow Ayatollah to take the reign, but it quickly collapses when the Iraqis invade, and Khomeini can’t do anything about it. So mid-war, Khomeini gets replaced with multilateralist Khavari whose partnership policies save Iran from the Iraqi offensive.
Only thinh I would have to do then is ask Alex if he is willing to change the excerpt in which “Shah” is replaced with “President of Iran”.
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[Note: I’m going to put Iran on hold for the future so don’t worry about that one now] http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Birmania Real World Countries and Land Claimed: all of Burma/Myanmar; Indian administrative divisions: Manipur, Nagaland, Mizoram, Tripura, Assam, and the Arunachal (which is disputed between China and Birmania) Why you want to join: I already have (tried, lol) Have you read everything concerning Altverse?: Y Do you agree to comply to all rules and policies?: Y Other: Alternate History: Konbaung dynasty is able to reach the Assam-West Bengal border of India before the British offensive of the First Anglo-Birmanese (Burmese) War officially begins. Assam and surrounding territories are ceded to British Birmania rather than India. In 1945 during the Japanese evacuation of Burma, Ba Maw and U Nu, who in real life were had survived a WWII bombing and later ruled Burma through the AFPFL, instead die in the Allied bombings of Japanese Birmania in this alternate history. The AFPFL is never founded, and so the split never takes place and because U Nu is dead, Ne Win could never stage the 1962 coup. However Aung San still dies, but rather than U Nu taking leadership, leadership is disputed between the Maoist, Communist Party of Birmania, and the constitutional socialist, Socialist Party of Birmania. Eventually the Socialist Party wins the popular vote, and so the Communist Party leaves the political table and begins several communist insurgencies and tries to begin a communist revolution, which becomes successful in Shan province in 1962 when the People’s Republic of Birmania rise there (think of it like a Viet Cong without the full North Viet force). Furthermore, ethnic strife causes many secessionist organizations like the Karen National Union or the Kachin State to secede with their own communistic governments. They form a three-party communist “triumvirate” armed by the People’s Republic of China. During this time, a political party called the Bamar Party takes power and Minister of Defense U Maung who is a member of their party becomes Prime Minister of Birmania. U Maung increases the size of the Birmanese army, arms his military with equipment provided by the Americans, and changes the way the war is fought by launching a brutal campaign of total war against the communists. He introduces more helicopter use so the communists cannot continue using tunnel warfare, traditional guerrilla tactics, and landmines like they used to successfully. In 1974 U Maung started using toxic gas chemical weapons, which gets the communist to gradually surrender.
After the wars with Birmanese victory, U Maung and the Bamar Party blames the multiparty parliament for succumbing to the humanitarian demands of the foreign media, stalling the war for seven years with many casualties for the Union’s forces. In 1976, U Maung ousts the parliament and replaces the parliamentary system with a semi-presidential system with him as President. Maung was like a benevolent dictator and his popularity kept him and his party in power until his retirement in 2000. The states that attempted to secede from Birmania in 1962 are still under military jurisdiction (martial law) and extreme poverty that brings HDI to 0.620, although the rest of Birmania averages an HDI of 0.702
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