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Android sent me a huge chunk of her conversations with FT if anyone's interested. It's OVER 9000 words, though.
huge wall of quotes You've read my prefaces to this. Prior to the Gregory vote, we really didn't talk much.
I also want to state one thing. I was...very raw from the Gregory vote. He and I were very close. I know things now I didn't know then, so my opinion of you/FT/Porunga/Tien wasn't really all that great to begin with other than our #bandroid conversations.
Please...keep that in mind as you read this.
I really...wasn't kidding the other night when I said I'm putting my game in your hands...
Pre Gregory Vote:
Him: I agree about Porunga too at least for this round, but I wouldn't mind knocking out a Kanessa now. The longer all three of them are here the more dangerous it becomes for the rest of us. I think we could probably find support for a Frieza vote, what do you think?
Me: I think you and I are on the same page. I believe I could get Gregory and Zeno on board. Sounds like you could get Buu...technically that's all we need.
Him: From what he's been saying to me Buu is very keen to stick with you so if we're voting together I think we can definitely count on him too. I know he's been really busy lately and not around as much but he's still super solid. If Greg and Zeno are for it we'll be good to go, then the only question becomes can we get EVERYONE on for a unified vote or are we going to have some unhappy people voting in the minority.
Me: We have gregory and most likely popo, I will PM zeno but we should have the numbers to get Frieza.
I think at some point the game has to be less about uniform and more what does it take to keep advancing forward together? I get wanting to do things in team fashion...but at the same time we have to start thinking forward ya know?
I'm not saying you are wrong, just presenting another side to consider.
Him: Looks like it's all systems go for this round!
I agree with you, at this stage though it's so early and there's no way of telling how soon another swap could come that I just don't want us making enemies unnecessarily. Unified votes provide us some cover, not just ra ra team spirit.
Post Gregory Vote:
Him: Just real quick until you're back later, I feel bad you got left out of that vote and I'm sorry I didn't tell you. I was going with Buu wherever Buu went and he went the emotional route this time. That happened at the last second, basically all within maybe an hour or two before TC ended this morning. Obviously the Kanessas jumped at his offer, and then there was talk about how Gregory was too connected to everybody and I just had to keep my mouth shut for my own good at that point. I tried for a while to argue that it was safer for everyone just to stay on Frieza. Buu is still attached to you from everything he's said to me, and I certainly have no intention to let a vote come near you if I can help it. Most importantly your dragonball secret is still safe with me. I just wanted to assure you of that because I know the blindside had to be a shock.
Me: Sadly nothing really shocks me in survivor.
All I need from you is to be honest with me going forward. Had you mentioned things were changing to me I wouldn't shut you ouy or anything. I'm with you dude for better or worse, but you gotta be honest with me man. I don't like feeling like I'm on the outs and I definitely don't feel like I'm in the loop.
It is very difficult for me to trust and if you can't be real with me anout what is going on. Please for gods sake just tell me lol.
So am I on the outs of some bigger alliance now? What is the plan going forward man?
Him: No they swore me to secrecy til the votes came out because they thought you and Greg were allied and you would tell him and I only stayed quiet to not be a trouble maker when I'm already getting into the sh*t more than I meant to in the first place. I was dying to tell you.
Me: I just want to say. Shame on you.
Shame on the fact that you didn't tell me what was going on ahead of time.
I would have listened, I would not have judged and I'm devastated because I trusted you.
I don't give a flying rats ass if someone swore you to secrecy. If I had heard something else, I'd have told you man.
I followed a vote on your suggestion and spread it around. It makes me feel used.
That being said, if I don't forgive and move on, I know this will come back to bite me.
Just know that should we cross paths again, I feel like I should at least have been told by you.
By the way someone else told me from the group that voted, so you should be very wary of anyone you voted with during that last round because someone held you to a standard they, themselves didn't keep.
Him: I appreciate the forthrightness. It's a legitimate criticism. I hope we can come past this in the future because I certainly don't want to burn this bridge. I genuinely like you but I felt I had to make a game decision there. It's disappointing to hear someone was jerking me around but thank you for telling me. If there had been more time to consider things I don't know what I would do but in the short time frame I had I made a mistake and I'm sorry.
Me: I don't want to burn this bridge either, but man. Just talk to me next time. IDC if they threaten you with your unborn child. I'm not an asshole lol. I won't break trust once I build it. You made a game move for yourself and though that is the ultimate decision, you should know that I'm here and I genuinely want to know what you think. That's how I treat my friends and allies.
I appreciate the apology. Let's leave it at that since there's no point in dwelling on the past.
And I'm sorry you were used...I think I can empathize lol.
Snake’s Way Post merge:
This is what I referring to in my PM where I said Trunks was trying to explain how the Gregory vote happened. I have a conversation with Tien where I came to the realization that FT controlled everything about that vote, Frieza vs Gregory I mean. I kind of don't trust him at this point, but I have to talk to him.
Him: Oh yeah first and foremost I'm keen to be in top 14 and like I said if everyone's already Babidi I'm all for Babidi. I guess I'm just catching emotional Buu disease here feeling bad for the guy.
Me: What's going on with Buu? I heard from the others that he was pretty emotional from the Frieza/Gregory split vote.
Him: Oh yeah. Buu and his emotions are pretty much the whole reason I got tangled up in that vote in the first place.
Buu was leftover emotional from the Gohan vote (this has been a long game already x.x)
and when it was all settled on Frieza he decides he can't go through with voting out somebody he likes again. I was trying to talk him out of this decision for like... a long time. But the morning of the deadline he convinces me to go for this blindside if Tien and Porunga will and it happens in a relative snap. There was a lot of mutual distrust of Gregory already and all the alliances he was making. But the biggest reason for the vote change initially was Buu getting sad and me getting all guilty feeling over helping convince him to vote Gohan before Young Trunks back on Namek.
Me: I see. He doesn't really show that side to me, so he must have some trust in you.
Wow.
I don't even know how to think about that. I mean...I get liking people, but this is a game. In any case, I'm sorry you got caught in the crosshairs. You definitely were not the only one with thoughts on Gregory, I had...so many conversations with Porunga, Tien, and Frieza about it, it's not funny.
Thanks for explaining man.
Him: Yeah, well there's definitely an openness that came out of the way the Gohan vote went. We were really back and forth on that one between the two of us all evening and again in the morning on that vote too. Working together with Buu is hard work!
I'm happy to get the chance to. It all felt really rushed with the last swap.
Post Final Merge before 1st challenge:
At this point, I've had time to stew on the information he gave me at Snake's Way and...well needless to say I don't know how I feel about you given what he told me.
Him (proposing the final 3): I got lots of sleep, just not at night! Being unemployed has already completely destroyed my normal sleep/wake cycle
So let's talk about this merge, shall we? I want to go as deep as possible with you and Young Trunks, but I don't want to do anything early in the merge right now to bring undue attention to the three of us because I don't think anyone is really suspecting a serious connection there right now! The longer we can drift through without catching the spotlight the better.
Me: Poor guy  *hugs*
This merge man... yeah I'm down for working with you and YT for sure. I think you bring up a good point in like...trying to do the under the radar thing. I don't either. I think after the Greg thing, and then the whole YT on the outs thing...I think it's just low key enough for us to maneuver around cautiously enough to make some real headway on getting info.
Have you gotten a good feel for others yet? How did you and Porunga get along on the last tribe?
Him: Awesome, I'm glad we're on the same page there. Do you think we should propose an official alliance with him?
Things are very murky with a lot of these people. Porunga and I got on fine on Z-Fighters I think, there wasn't much action in general the way the vote got laid out so fast on Frieza. I think Porunga actually would have preferred to vote YT? I shut my mouth about it at that point because while I didn't want to vote Frieza voting YT was even worse from my POV.
Me: sure i'm down tbh. lessdoit
Yeaaaaaah like I think I have things figured out, and then the exact opposite goes down. Like...I had no idea Babidi was gonna react the way he did...I also think like...Buu has it all together and then the next minute he's telling me he's depressed it's like...omg it's just a game ;_;
I think Porunga and YT have never truly seen eye to eye. I noticed that on Lookout when they were proposing voting him off...one of the reason I decided to reach out and work with him.
Him: Yas ok, I will ask him? Or do you want to? Or should we both send something? heh
Seriously. Buu has been up and down all game tbh.
Well, that's going to probably end up being dangerous for YT eventually. Hopefully not any time soon.
Me: You can mention it, I haven't heard anything from him tonight so I assume he's not around  I'll probably mention something the next time he's on.
OMG I know...it's kinda hard to juggle you know?
Well...lets see what pull we can have in order to keep that from happening yeah?
Him: OK, I'll have a super low key cool kids chat with him
Yeah it really is. His new object of affection is Tights. But before that it was Frieza and Buu ended up being a big proponent of voting out Frieza in Z-Fighters. So who knows how quickly it will change again!
Agreed
Me: hehe Future trunks and young trunks...so much trunks <3 <3
I mean...Tights is awesome so...who can blame him lol. Ugh crazy Mr. Popo's Stool. People be cray cray this game.
Got any thoughts on the challenge btw?
Him: hahahaha YT just said to me that you're the junk in our trunks! <3 the jokes practically write themselves
Everyone does love Tights! I'm just wondering what she and Chia are going to want to do at the next vote and exactly how close Buu has become to those two. These are crucial pieces of information I feel like I'm missing right now. I don't want them to get the idea to eliminate people close to Buu to reel him in to themselves instead, because that could lead to danger for me or YT. I could also be way overthinking this >.<
Uh, it's pretty ridiculous. I'm not going to get it done til tomorrow, I read through them once so far and the redactions are funny. It's a little silly have to try to piece together information about people without having ever met them before elimination.
Me (notice how you’ve dropped out of the conversation): LOL BAHAHA he's hilarious XD
*shrugs* it'll be interesting that's for sure. Apparently Chia was Babidi's nemesis...so that's not gonna be a factor in any way, shape, or form anymore...at least not for me.
It's interesting all the people...who don't talk to me anymore since the merge >.> like I haven't heard a word out of Kawazu tbh...
I don't know how Tights/Buu/Chia are...*shrugs* no idea at all. I've been so out of the loop with all of these swaps putting me with people I don't typically talk to...it's like being behind in a 3 legged sack race and expected to catch up with half a leg lol.
This just feels like another RNG challenge...lol...this game man...
Him (bringing you back into the conversation): I've hardly heard at all from kawa, chia, tights or goku black! It's like a third of the merge are just ghosts right now.
I suspect there's something officially going on with those three, probably since ginyu force went to TC. Buu is trying to convince me that it's fine to keep them both together to work with until f8 or f7 and I'm just like honey, fine for you maybe, but that doesn't sound so fine for old Future Trunks.
Me: LOL Kawa literally JUST sent me a PM after saying that...awkward...lessseee what it says haha.
I think Tights has her reasons...I mean she literally just opened up on the thread. Dunno about the others though >.>
LOL Buu is talking to you? He's totes not talking to me at all XD [insert generic fluff post sharing, I will post it if you absolutely want me to but it had nothing to do with you]
Me: Ugh so sad...I can't imagine  LOL yeah Buu did mention something today about being depressed...ugh I love Fall.....no more depression ;_;
yeah let's do it, I have nothing to hide. Mine is still alive...it's Kawazu >.>
Him: Mine is Goku Black!
Hmmm... I haven't been particularly focused on trying to target him yet, rather trying to find a safe footing to start the merge seemed more important. But we happen to have the two people who maybe have the least number of connections right now, so it could come about that we get the votes we need without having to make an unnatural push! Babidi's demise kind of serves as a lesson on what not to do.
Me (I already shared I was worried about you choosing people over me so I don’t think this post isn’t anything you already knew about how I felt): We ALMOST voted off Goku Black at the last tribal...if Babidi had just not let his Mr. Popo's Stool fly...
I'm not worried about it yet...Kawazu seems to be doing a terrible job of managing his social game on his own without my help...
I do worry a little about how close Buu and Kawa are though...it might be an issue later on, but like I said...Kawa's kinda just doing himself in atm *shrugs*
Him: I know dude I was so disappointed hearing the story of that TC lol
Yeah I think you're right he'll just get himself into the hot seat naturally. If Buu is close to Kawa too than that kid is just close to everyone. No wonder he's an emotional wreck.
Tights Quits (sometime after I’m done crying from her leaving):
Me: Well it's kinda because it was a crazy strategy that I still can't fully comprehend...it was literally like groups within groups...it was insaaaane. I did watch second chances, probably the only reason I can even put what you said into terms I can understand XD
Do you see any other potential blocks forming other than you/me/yt?
Him: Yeah. I really enjoyed that season. Rolled out a lot of twists, all of them were awesome. And the strategy was crazy to match.
I would have said Chia/Tights. I think Goku/Dende will vote together. I don't know if Zeno or Kawazu have any particular group? Pic/Buu/Porunga expect YT and I to be with them, and I expect to be with them to as long as they aren't saying your name. You might know some more detail on sides I don't know anything about! What do you see happening?
Me: I was just disappointed when Kelly Wentworth didn't win tbh XD
Well I know that Dende and I talked a bunch. Zeno...could probably have his hands into a few things tbh...so you are probably right there. Chia...no clue at all. I didn't think Dende and Goku were all that close tbh...I could be wrong.
I thought Buu/Kawazu were this super close tight unit.
Pic/Porunga/Buu really? that's...really interesting I'd have never guessed.
and ofc you/me/yt <3
Him: Honestly those three + tights were the four that forced me into the Frieza vote whether I wanted it or not, and YT was likewise powerless to do anything. It's like, circumstantial. But I did not want to go to another TC on that tribe.
Buu/Kawazu could be very close. I can definitely see that. Buu sure likes Kawazu, but he also liked Frieza so much he threw a whole vote into disarray over her only to cut her loose a couple tribes later. A vote will tell us a lot. It's hard to do much more than conjecture with the very imperfect information this game gives you.
Me (“pushing” you): Huh...intriguing. I could see Buu/Tights for sure...just kinda surprises me about Porunga/Buu...they didn't seem all that close to me...that being said I was kinda out of the know back on lookout...so *shrugs* maybe I was just oblivious to everything.
Going to all of those TCs were very...eye opening to say the least.
I'm just glad I have you to talk to you know? I feel good knowing you weren't closed off to me after how everything went down *hug*
Buu...seems to be a bit unpredictable and emotional...is that something we think we want to work with much longer tbh? Him (taking my “push” and running with it): I'm so glad <3 thank you for not taking that moment and using it as a reason to kill me forever <3
I have this sort of plan for how to try to deal with that actually. I think that eventually, hopefully not for at least a few votes, they're going to want to vote off YT to take the pressure off of Nameks. When Piccolo comes saying that, I'm going to counter with "How about Buu?" and pitch A)that Buu is emotionally unpredictable and B)that YT is obviously a loyal dudebro who can be trusted. If it doesn't work we rally the troops and try to do it anyway, but if it does we stay super stealth for even longer.
Me (I don’t think this way anymore it actually breaks my heart to share, but if I don’t, we can’t move on): Smart. I like that plan. Buu is a huge liability...for a number of reasons, we just can't leave that unchecked forever you know?
Ofc. I'm not stupid XD I get this is a game and there are times where...you just gotta do what you gotta do. I think, honestly? I was just more worried that you were trying to use me ;_; I don't think that way anymore.
Him: Yep. When the time is right we'll act accordingly.
I am crashing hard. Talk to you tomorrow!
Pre Tribal Council:
Me (this was my attempt to try and save chia and again, I’m really sorry, Chia and I were very close…): So...I know you and Buu have had your differences...with the emotional unstability and what not...
But would you be willing to possibly consider voting him out this round? You can be honest, all I ask is that if you say no...please don't spread this around. Someone else proposed the idea to me, I'm just seeing if anyone is potentially up for this. If not, I really DONT want to rock the boat.
Him: I would be very concerned that moving against buu immediately disrupts the stable path forward that we have, unless the person suggesting this is someone really unexpected...
I'm not going to say anything about it to anyone but I'd like to know who is suggesting it to consider it more fully
Me: What stable path do we have? like...I don't feel like I'm in as more than just your...hidden wildcard in the hole alliance with you/me/YT. I mean I see the Buu/Porunga/Picolo discussion...but it's just been a rocky ride with Buu. I think you've been aware of that as well back on lookout.
I'll tell you, but like I said, it was just a suggestion, it wasn't anything to really sink teeth into. Zeno had bounced the idea to me. It wasn't anything solid...he was just like "well what if..." and I thought it'd be good to at least bring it up and discuss with you how you felt about it.
If you didn't feel good about it, I'd obviously just say it ain't happening...*shrugs* I'm just trying not to bottle neck options to one person and availability, especially if we are going to be considering being a block unit, you/me/yt. It's smart to consider any option posed to us you know?
I just don't want to get into a bad spot if you truly think it's not a good idea.
Him: OK, so, here is how staying the course and keeping Buu keeps us on a stable path: Buu, Piccolo and Porunga think we will make a majority of five after this vote by controlling enough VPL. The five people are those three, me and YT. Please keep a lid on that because blowing it up would be bad news for all of us. This is Buu's only PM to me in the last day: Buu Buu really no want vote Chia.  Like at this point Chia probably Buu favorite person outside of alliance. Chia and Android. Buu realize that vote probably inevitable and Buu should've been around more to say this before now, but Buu feel awful about vote Chia. Buu understand if there actual reason to vote Chia. With Tights around Chia vote make much more sense. But with no other reason than "it vote people going for"... it feel super weird. Like at this point Chia no even threat, everyone throw Chia under bus.
Buu do it if it inevitable, obviously. But Buu no feel good about it. :/
Despite the way we both feel about Buu, he still likes both of us. And that alone makes him someone I want around a bit longer, because he's going to be a counterweight if Piccolo ever decides it's time to target you so that YT aren't the only one conspicuously going to bat for you. The way I envision our three moving through this crowd is to simply keep the Piccolo/Buu/Porunga/FT/YT unit intact and voting anyone other than you for as long as possible. Voting out Buu now creates chaos, and chaos is very dangerous. Right now the vote is headed towards Chia, and I want it to stay there. Next round it's probably going to default to Goku Black unless we change it, which I don't see any reason to do. So it's going to be at least two rounds before we'd be looking at even a hint of trouble, and we'll obviously be working our butts off DURING these rounds to make sure once we get there you're still not on the hot seat. But ultimately, if/when they do try to turn the target to you is the time to strike, not before. And if they never do, well, we run this thing all the way down to six and you, me and YT focus on VPL from here on out to try to win the VPL tie when its 3 to 3.
Me: Thank you for talking to me. I desperately needed to have this conversation with you because I was kinda feeling lost in general with everything. I appreciate you telling me and I promise not to spread this around.
So the idea right now...is to get rid of Chia, then Goku...that leaves us with you/yt/me/porunga/picolo/buu/zeno/dende/kawazu.
Here is my only issue with this plan so far...kawazu is literally a bomb waiting to go off. He and buu are joined at the hip...maybe more so than you realize. If we let it go that far, what would be the plan then? Would it be to vote off one of Porunga/Picolo and let Buu/kawazu think everything is hunky dory...and then blindside them the next couple TCs so all we have left is you/me/yt/dende/zeno/ (one of porunga/picolo)?
I guess I just wanna think farther ahead then the next vote or two. I mean I legit know anything can happen this game, but in reality, we have to make sure we don't back ourselves into a corner. If Buu is as tight with picolo/porunga as you say...then it's going to be difficult if out of left field you have Kawazu being the wild card that he is. He's...a huge potential goat in this game honestly if left unchecked.
I get it. Buu likes us and wants to be with us...but we just have to be real about the potential going forward that...if it came down to it, would he really be someone we could get the votes against?
And again, thank you for talking. This is the sort of discussion I feel is important to get on the same page about if we are gonna be sitting in that final 3 together.
Him: Yeah, I know kawa and buu are close, but the scuttlebutt is kawa has 1000 vpl so he's really not going to be a factor in votes compared to the heavier vpl totals.
YT and I have two of the highest VPL totals around. So if we are careful and judicious with our blindsides, we will be able to control votes even without a full majority later on. I think if that is the f9 our decision is going to hinge on Piccolo. If he says {dende/zeno/kawazu} we let it happen. If he says your name, we strike. I have some ammunition I think would work to get Dende to come with us on any move there, a quote of Porunga saying how much he'd rather boot Dende sooner than later (incidentally that PM is one of the reasons I feel like there's a really good chance you wouldn't be the next target after goku). It seems apparent Zeno would work with us there too. And I think Piccolo is going to be susceptible to the "buu can't be counted on long term" argument, which would really be a best case scenario. I want as many votes as possible where you me and YT blend into a really large majority.
I don't think anyone is dragging kawa to the end tbh but it is something to keep an eye on
I have to hang out with my girl and not be on the internet for a while so we'll continue this discussion later!
Me: True...It's a good way to think about it.
I appreciate you doing that for me man. It means a lot. It sounds like you've got this figured out in terms of a plan. I think Dende would be willing to work with us too, he seems like the kind of guy who isn't afraid to shake things up. I spent some time with him on the last tribe and think between our conversations, and your ammo, it's a slam dunk. I'm...a little wary to just let Picolo have that much power, but at the same time, what you say makes sense. I'm down if you think this is the best course of action. Zeno is...a decently smart thinker. If presented with an opportunity I think he'd definitely be with us.
I'm kinda down for that plan. I don't know Picolo as well as you and I don't know the kind of influence you have with him. But I gotta trust you on this because I know you have my back man. I'm with ya. It's a smart plan. I like it a lot.
yeah I agree...he's just...a bit of a wildcard is all.
No worries have a great time. Thank you again for talking with me like this and being open to the possibility of things. It makes me grateful we are still talking.
You tell Chia that I’m pushing the vote on him (well his interpretation of what you told him, I know the full story now…but this was in hindsight after a bad day at work):
Me: Oh my fucking god. Apparently Buu told Chia that I pushed the vote on him.
I'm so livid right now FT...urg this pisses me off.
Him: Oh ffs whyyyyyy
What is the fallout of this and serious wtf
Me: No idea, but let me tell you, it's stirring up a whole lot of Mr. Popo's Stool right now. Like to the point where Buu has asked if I would consider voting Goku instead of Chia...like...WHAT THE Mr. Popo's Stool?! WHY WOULD YOU TELL SOMEONE I WAS PUSHING THE VOTE ON THEM AND THEN ASK ME TO HELP FLIP THE VOTE?! I CANT EVEN LOL
Him: We need to finish this chia vote and use this weird sh*t he's pulling to get everyone to vote him out
Me: OMG IM SO DOWN TO GET HIM OUT TBH this Mr. Popo's Stool right here...omg I can't tell you...like...it's kind of hell because like Chia is all like "I've been hearing you've been pushing the vote on me." LIKE WHAT EVEN?! AND THEN WHAT?! LIKE...OMG...
I'm so sorry I'm actually laughing out loud. This is the most riddiculous thing to happen so far. Like what did I do to deserve this drama?
[fluff I will post if you want me to, but it’s not relevant]
Me: I will for sure. This whole night...I'm just...I'm so over it...it's like...why did this happen? Like...I feel so exposed like I did something that I didn't do and I...did nothing to provoke it...
I have no idea why Buu did this...but it's...just like we feared about his emotional state in this game...
Him: Yeah this sucks we both just got a bunch of negative exposure for no good reason I wish this tc had ended already
Me: OH MY GOODNESS.
That's all I can say. Good Riddance...
Like...I'm still trying to piece together how Buu thought I was pushing the vote...like did someone tell him?...like...idk I can't even...comprehend what just happened. And now it's this whole...crazy thing.
Him: Are we sure chia isn't just BSing?
Me: It's possible.
But Buu did ask me to change my vote, that part wasn't BSed by Chia.
1 day passes by:
Him: I'm trying to catch up with people I didn't PM last night, heh
Buu this morning says he's voting Chia! I don't think there's a majority for Chia without flipping Buu.
Me: Wait what...what's this about a majority for chia? Like who else is not voting chia? I thought this was in the bag.
Him: I think it is in the bag too but I'm just going through who Chia would potentially have to be trying to convince right now to get it done. Even if he gets Dende, Goku Black, Zeno and Kawazu he would still at least need Buu's VPL even if items come into play, if the intel on Kawa having minimum VPL is true. I didn't really think Buu would vote for me but it's nice to have confirmation he will vote for Chia.
[fluff, again will post if you want me to]
Me: lol yeah i don't think he did that tbh. *shrugs* I mean...I haven't even seen dende on in about...24 hours now? So I have no idea where he's at. I seriously doubt Goku Black would be up for anything...he seems lost and confused. I doubt Kawazu would go against Buu's wishes...those two are literally joined at the hip. And...I mean even if Zeno wanted to consider it...the lack of like...unity between the voters would be something even he isn't stupid enough to push.
I think Mr. Popo's Stool just kinda got out of control and...well I don't think anything has changed tbh.
Him: Yeah at this point VPL is all important
The only thing that's change now is that I'll be holding my breath when the mods make me scroll down three pages to find out if an idol is played
Me: Just...9 more hours man. *sighs* And Buu basically confirmed what he said to Chia. I think it was taken out of context, I can also see where it was his...attempt to kinda throw me under the bus so that he could make himself look less guilty.
Still kinda miffed, but basically over it and move on.
Him: As if we needed any help deciding how we were going to handle Buu in the near future
Me: LOL seriously. *files nails* this whole...crazy thing...lol
I'm so done with Hercule1, Hercule2.0, and Herculethethird lol [fluff, will post if you request]
Me: I now have contradictory statements from Buu stating where he didn't want to vote Chia at all yesterday, but yesterday telling me he wanted to keep Goku Black over Chia, thus saying he'd prefer to vote out Chia.
Guy's too emotional for this game.
Him: I just physically put my palm to my face at that one
Me: LOL I can't even XD This whole day man...
[some time later more fluff, you know the drill about me posting]
Him: You're at the top of the totem pole with me as far as trust goes in this game. I believe in you. Obviously, or I wouldn't be telling you any of these things!
Survivor is a game of confusion and stress but even with this brouhaha today I feel really good about our chances. Me: I feel the same. Honestly I trust you and YT above all else. I'm on board for anything you are thinking and planning. You can confide in me. I'm here and I don't plan to go running off elsewhere.
Me too. I think if anything...it sorta opened the door to other potential vote possibilities such as Buu's colors and Picolo's paranoia.
In the end we got some valuable information out of this. Post 1st merge TCAndroid 18 using Nimbus and being gone:
Him: What are people trying to do right now? You've already got my basic notes, lol. Piccolo (RIP in pieces), Buu, Porunga, myself and YT were allied to try to run the VPL, and me and YT as you know were trying to keep you off the block long enough to break that group open somewhere. Now it is open!
Me: Yeah I'm aware  That's one of the reasons I removed myself in the game. In the event things went as we planned, this would have been the round we planned to blindside.
That being said, I feel like we actually have more options now yeah?
I think people are just trying to see if things are staying in tact. I think Buu wants to keep working with the old alliance, I basically just take Piccolo's spot.
That being said...I think I want us to be really careful. I liked your block strategy where we actually effectively use both sides to achieve what we want yeah? Like...we (you/me/YT) could run this game if we actually worked with the others and got rid of the high VPL people...then no matter what they did...we'd basically be invincible yeah? Not feeling like I'm at the bottom or that my name is gonna be brought up would be super swell
Him: Oh we definitely have more options now. But it's a much more dangerous game. Slotting you into Pic's spot might be a real ticket to the top though, because then our three is already built into the five.
Dende says he wants to kill Porunga. I wonder if we'd totally lose control if we let that happen. How united is the group that just voted for Piccolo? Our block of three can only control things if the other groups aren't truly united in larger numbers than us. I think I'm now the one of us that is the most in danger of coming up in elimination discussions, but hopefully none of us do.
Me: Hmmm but the danger is half the fun. Like...I know you were super tight with Piccolo...but I won't lie I'm actually super glad he's gone. He kinda...was saying some things to me and about me that made me feel uncomfortable...like...not nice things. It's true that this is a possibility. I mean I'm not...against the plan *shrugs*
I just worry about Buu still tbh. Like I don't put it past him to get over emotional again to the point where it spoils this glorious top 5 we have going on...I mean we could probably make due without him and just have a tight four you know? >.> If that's something that interests you. If not, I'm willing to just go along with it.
I literally don't know how tight they are. I think Zeno is a player through and through. I don't think if he had the chance to move on but without the others...he'd hesitate tbh. He seems to kinda be looking out for #1. However...his options are limited. I also think Kawazu is on the outs of that group if it's...even a group tbh. He and Dende have some history...and it's not good. I think if we did get there, Kawazu would jump ship with us.
I think we just need to keep a cool head you know? I think just...read the situation get to know the dynamics...
I really don't think former Hell is as close as they might appear, and their VPL is super low from the challenge to give things up...so it's not like they have a lot of power tbh.
Him: I'm super relieved Pic went out without me needing to blindside him, because it was going to either be him or Buu getting blindsided if and when he came knocking saying it was time for an 18 vote. Just in case I've told Buu and Porunga already I think you're the best person to try to pull in if we want to keep the gang together because you were away on a nimbus and not involved in that idoling. So hopefully that option is there for us and we see how things look.
I feel you. But I don't know if there's a way to get Dende and co. to not target Porunga before Buu.
I agree 100% that cool heads must prevail. It's a shocker but it just shuffles the game board and I think we're still in a good position. Your nimbus ride was honestly more of a shocker, waking up and suddenly I couldn't talk to you anymore! I'm glad you're back now
[conversation goes to other topics]
Him: I guess Zeno is actually serious about wanting a Goku vote? We should be sitting pretty if that's the case.
Me: Yup yup I've heard the same, Buu confirmed it.
Sounds good ttyl <3
[conversation goes elsewhere]
Dende Vote/Next challenge:
By this point I’ve had my heart to heart with you, realized how much I feel like FT has been leading me on and using me for getting to the end…so the conversations will start shifting at this point.
Me: Probably not.
I will say I have heard rumors of a Dende vote, just fyi.
I've also been thinking that your original plan to stick with Porunga and Buu with me taking Piccolo's place might be the best course of action. I'm not closed off to other ideas and I will continue to gage the situation with the others...but I mean it just makes sense you know? If things change, we change...but right now why rock a boat that is so strong?
Him: I'm totally on board with sticking to Buu and Porunga as long as it's convenient. If that means all the way to F5, that's great. And as I've said, I'll vote for anyone. If it's Dende, Goku, Zeno, Kawazu... this round I don't care.
Was the Dende idea coming from the Buu and Porunga side, or was that coming from among the group that just voted with him for that idol play?
Me: Apparently Porunga wasn't too happy with Dende pushing his name around. I think Buu also thought it seemed like a good idea. I mean...if we do this, it's never a bad thing to be on someone's good side right? Getting rid of Dende will make Porunga happy for sure.
But let's see how this immunity challenge plays out before we get ourselves too into one pot...if Dende is immune then obv we should probably reconsider haha.
[fluff]
Me: Talking to Zeno now just fyi. I'm 99% sure Dende is going to be the vote at this point. I'll let you know what he says.
Him: You think that's the way to go? I'm not sure right now what YT prefers this round.
Me: I mean...that was the intent all along right? Stay with Buu/me/you/porunga/YT? I just think after all the Mr. Popo's Stool that went down with Piccolo that it's important to make the others feel secure in this alliance. If we listen to Porunga and do as he suggests, he will trust us more. Then we can vote out Goku Black next time or whatever we want *shrugs*
I mean if you don't think that's a good idea, let me know. But we gotta do...something if we are gonna blindside him and buu later for jury management purposes yeah?
Him: My head is just spinning with talking to zeno about a goku vote and dende pushing a porunga vote. Yes I definitely see the logic of keeping them feeling secure! I think buu and porunga would vote with us if we did goku but for sure they prefer dende.
At this point I know something is up, I’ve talked to you, I’ve compared the notes…and realize things are going down.
Me: *shrugs* lol for me this seems easy. With Piccolo out of the picture...I finally feel like I'm not fighting for my life for once. It actually feels like...I'm wanted and part of a real thing. Plus with you/me/YT running the show behind the scenes I feel much calmer.
Yup I think this is basically wrapped up. I also think this leaves us open to other options in a few rounds if we want. Zeno is a very go with the flow kinda person.
I think just keep Porunga happy and then we are back on track. Because it seems if Porunga is happy, Buu is happy. That's kinda the general feeling I've gotten *shrugs* Once they are happy, we can just...glide to a point where they will never see our trio coming imo.
Post Challenge 2:
Him: welp another pathetic challenge score for me, we need to be careful we don't go to F4 with a challenge beast and screw ourselves over
Me (totally knowing his plan and me now with you 100%): That...is something we obviously need to take into consideration. I mean...letting Buu run away on challenge wins is kind of irresponsible.
Given that he's immune...we jut gotta play nice for now. Wait for an opportunity.
Him: Buu is obvious, but Zeno has also been very strong on these challenges. He crushed that puzzle last round! Once buu is out I think he'll be the next best in challenge prowess.
I'm talking it through with yt right now about keeping buu zeno and porunga all away from f4
[all fluff at this point as I am now tapering off my discussions with him and working with you and Porunga after our heart to heart]
Post Goku winning immunity:
Him: I have to do real life for a little while I'll be back to talk TC! If you and/or YT have a strong preference I am open, Goku is immune anyway.
Me (on your side and “pushing” in order to not raise suspicion and make it seem like I’m still on his side): YT said Zeno. *shrugs* Goku would have been my pick this round tbh.
I do know you and I had talked about Buu at some point...didn't know if that was still an option on the table or not.
Him: Goku would have been mine too definitely. I think I'd rather do Zeno now, since he didn't use his nimbus. Buu is going to have to happen sooner or later though. They're the two best challenge competitors, so if Buu isn't immune next time we could get him then.
OK seriously real life sorry two seconds
Me (agreeing with him just to keep him complacent since we are planning on blindsiding him): No worries. Let's just go for Zeno this round. I think that's the easy vote. Kawazu is basically a non thing at this point.
[fluff]
Him (literally super super late last night which I believe I shared with you already): I changed my mind. Let's do that buu vote if you're ready for it. YT won't push it if we both tell him we want to do it.
Me: Really? Why the change if you don't mind me asking?
I'm not against it. I just wanna hear the logic of Buu vs Zeno. Him: I have a gut feeling, I think we need to do more to make sure we control the VPL and I know buu has a lot more than Zeno.
Me (now trying to pick his brain for the sudden change of heart, not serious about this at all): So...
How I envision this going down...
You/me/zeno/YT vote for Buu
Kawa/Buu/Goku/Porunga vote for Zeno...
Like do you and YT have a crazy amount of VPL?
I know that me and Zeno are higher than Goku and Kawa...because like...well there's a big reason why >.> but I'm pretty sure mine is low in comparison to the other two. Him: I am pretty sure YT and I are slightly up on Buu and Porunga, so if you and Zeno are up on the other two we'd have it.
Me (once again trying to keep him feeling “safe”): I'm...oddly okay with this plan for some reason lol.
It'd be cool to have a power 4 tbh.
I mean...and that still leaves us hugely in control.
Huh it's kinda brilliant actually.
Him: I want very badly for this to work
[some time later, aka today]
Him: Did you tell buu, or anyone who might have told buu, that I offered you f3 with young trunks? Because buu is telling people I'm going behind his back to make f3 deals with YT and, well, there's only one person I've actually gone behind their backs with to do that.
At this point, everything is falling to Mr. Popo's Stool so I’m trying to “Keep” Future Trunks from ruining our blindside.
Me: Ummm not that I'm aware of.
Kawazu did mention something about a deal with you/him/buu...maybe that's what he's referring to?
No clue in all honesty.
Him: I've been telling Kawazu I trust Buu the most based of your read of Buu/Kawazu being strong basically, that's how I've been trying to get Kawa onto all of our votes in the merge.
But no this is specifically about me making deals that include YT Me (again this is me knowing what FT is like and none of this is true, I’m literally telling him whatever to keep him calm): Hmmm. *shrugs* Well idk what Buu is talking about then. I haven't really trusted Buu...well with any genuine information since his emotional blow up back on lookout and then once again with Chia.
Maybe he's worried that you brought me into the five person alliance specifically to break away from him and Porunga? I mean...it's not the largest leap in logic ever.
Have you...made any other deals with you and YT?
And in any case, none of this should matter since it's gonna be me/you/Zeno/YT voting out Buu lol. our VPL is higher in theory.
It wouldn't be...unlike Buu to stir up drama lol. I mean look at what he did with the whole Chia thing.
Him: I've had an alliance with YT from the beginning as I think you're aware, you are the only one I've trusted enough to make a deal with that included YT because I didn't want people to be aware YT and I were tight. So no we haven't made deals with anyone else, aside from the five alliance you know about (w/ Piccolo before his demise and w/ you in his place now)
Me (trying to give him good logic not to press further): Alright. Well I don't know what to tell you man, I certainly didn't tell Buu anything like that. I couldn't trust him less after the Chia blowup.
Anywho I have to go to work now or I'm going to be late. I'll be back later if you want to discuss more.
I'm still on to voting out Buu with you/Yt/Zeno *shrugs* let me know if that changes for some reason.
Him: There's no reason for it to change, it just worries me to have Buu spouting out some info that seems to be based on truth somehow without knowing where he heard about it.
At this point I contact you to be careful on who you trust as somehow the info has made it’s way back to him.
Me: I think at this point, people are going to talk and make assumptions about anything in the game.
I also think you and YT in an alliance is definitely not a secret, most people have made that assumption by this point lol. At least I've heard people talking about you and YT as a thing.
I mean at one point I heard that you possibly had a thing with YT and Porunga, but you don't see me freaking out on you about whether it's true or not.
Literally I'm with you and YT to the end, fuck the people who start drama, and let's do this.
Anyways, going to work...try not to freak out yeah? We just have to get this vote on Buu over with and then none of this matters anymore tbh.
Him: If that's as common knowledge as you say we might be headed for trouble next round at f7
I tested the waters with porunga about yt at fake merge, he shut me down and has consistently pushed me to target YT since. Where did you hear that particular rumor from?
Me (making one last desperate attempt): I honestly don't remember. I've literally heard every rumor from a-z from people. Dende, Chia, Buu, Kawazu...
Most of what I hear I don't really take to heart because everyone talks lol.
Why would we be in trouble? I mean I'd like to think if you/me/yt/zeno stick together...then there is no issue.
I think there would be more trouble from voting Buu out with Porunga and Kawazu being upset in all honesty. Goku, Zeno, and I are all just probably think we are going to be fortunate it isnt us.
Basically I feel like you are being paranoid and not trusting me and if you dont just come out and say it man. I trust you. I didnt tell Buu anything, and i feel ive been very forthright about everything and my intentions...which after everything that has gone down like...im going to feel hurt if you dont...
At this point you and Porunga have confirmed he knows and really anything else I say is pointless.
Him: I don't really trust that zeno wouldn't try to split me and yt after this vote if he thinks we're a strong pair.
I do trust you that's why I'm asking you about these things instead of just jumping to conclusions thinking you're the only person who could have said something that got out!
Me: Well I didn't say anything. Soooo I literally don't know what else to say. I have no quotes to prove what wasn't said. Lol
Who told you Buu was saying anything?
I mean what do you want to do then? Go back to voting Zeno and just be all (phone cuts out)
Him: No I still don't want to change it I just want us to be thinking about it now so we don't get caught with our pants down next round.
There’s more from today, but in all honesty it’s just BS…he knows I know that he knows and I know that he knows…so I literally think we are just throwing bullMr. Popo's Stool at each other at this point.
If you want more, I will give it.
I trust you Buu…and I just want to re-iterate that I’m sorry for what I said, I feel awful…and when I realized what kind of person you were and how much you care and feel for people…idk…I just…
I realized how much FT influenced my train of thought.
Please don’t hate me ;_;
I promise I trust you and I’m not voting you, nor was I serious about a you vote this time…
And if you look at it…I only really “pushed’ your name once and the other times it was more just a thought…
I’m sorry Buu…I get it if you don’t trust me anymore *rubs arm* I just…I don’t want to lose you ;_;[/quote]
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