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Day 1 - Darkness Falls
Topic Started: Sep 28 2016, 12:00 AM (6,815 Views)
Richie
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Keimi
Sep 28 2016, 11:52 PM
Richie
Sep 28 2016, 09:05 PM
With so many players, I really tend to forget. Didn't notice until now that Inazuma hasn't said anything yet.

This post to me feels like you're trying to remind us that Inazuma exists, but neglecting to call him out on it or press him for action. Which in my book is rather scummy.

I was just noticing the pattern of people first talking about Brulee not talking, than noticing Elizabello doing the same...anf I finally realized that another person still hasn't spoken up yet. I haven't press him for action anymore, because after all the discussion about lynching inactives, I think it spoke for itself to mention someones inactiveness.

I would argue actually that your behaviour about it is scummy as well. You don't mention it, because you want to see what happens? There are practically only two options anyway: Nobody notices, which would indeed be weird but would concern all players, or - as I did - someone points it out, which in most cases wouldn't tell you much either. Still you jump on me for actually noticing. But yes, I do want that Inazuma speaks up.
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Sep 29 2016, 12:15 AM
Sorry I was just making small talk/a joke correcting myself since technically we are not a town since we are some kind of explorer group inside a cave. By the game's design we are "adventurers" not townspeople.

Small talk? A joke? on Day 1? Nahh that can't be right, must be suspicious nefarious activity. Saying adventurers clearly indicates you have some relation to the mafia.


Also the statistic thing I was kinda kidding, but at the same time, marking my disdain for theorizing based on Statistics in mafia. Because that almost never leads any where productive.
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Johnny
 
Yes. It was meant as a somewhat subtle joke, that I was thinking most people would take at surface meaning only, with a few catching the joke.

The surface meaning being that you can trust Laki to show up and vote at the last hour, as at that point she was the most active and frequent, and I would say most observant and quality-posting player.
She pointed out the whole alphabet soup thing, which I had totally missed, and was unrivaled in terms of word count.
I still do trust her to show up and vote nolynch or lynch or hammer if needed. More than most of the rest of us.
I don't see how this is controversial at all.

Laki may be observant and active, but by no means does that mean anyone can, or should, take for granted that she will be available and willing at the last minute to hammer. Especially if she hasn't confirmed it explicitly. This is wrong, just wrong wrong wrong. Honestly I hadn't even dreamed that you actually intended people to take your words at face value. It sounds like an explanation concocted after-the fact. And I don't think anyone understood your post to mean what you explained.

Johnny
 
Subtle element, well that was more a wink at Laki herself, and a few players / audience members.

You know, this is basically what I was expecting to hear, maybe with an apology for carelessly posting something vague/misintepretable and meta. That may have quelled my discontent. But you're turning it into so much more...

Johnny
 
"Goes against the spirit of the game" is silly imo, as again, I assumed the joke would go over most heads, given the valid surface meaning, and if you picked up on the joke, you probably were thinking the same thing lol.
Anonymity is fun, but we pretty much expected most of us to become obvious through playstyle and posting anyway. Besides, it's not like it's a secret identity that nobody knew anything about, and suddenly I came in and blew the cover and exposed it, as you're kind of framing it to be. We all see the same posts. It's a (probably accurate) guess that anyone familiar with the player could've made.
It has no business being part of the main game, and it's not silly when we went to the effort to play off-forum with different names, sonny. Whether we let our personalities come through in an obvious way, intentionally or not, is irrelevant. And as you can see, some people may pick up on cues sooner than others. I stand by my comment.

Johnny
 
But "Why should I not suspect that perhaps your certainty comes from being a partner in crime of this player, and you have shared your identities amongst yourselves?" is the dumbest part of your assertations. For several reasons.
Firstly, that would require me being stupid enough to be like "Hey let me give a shout out to my mafia buddy, lololol, Pro-Mafia at work here."
Secondly, if I wanted to give that little wink to my mafia buddy, well wouldnt it make sense to do it in the Mafia communication thread? In privacy?
Thirdly, and most importantly, it's DAY 1 now. Mafias convene at NIGHT! After the Day is done. If I was mafia, I wouldn't even know my teammates' identities yet.

Oh my, name calling already? Don't you think you're overreacting here? It isn't about giving a secret wink to your buddy, it's about gloating and seeming clever to people by referencing an identity. I was merely suggesting that your confidence could have come from already knowing beforehand, instead of guessing.

And sorry, but your worst argument is that you can't possibly be mafia because mafia only talk at night and you wouldn't have had a chance to do so yet. As we should all be very well aware, it is frequently the case that the mafia (or any team/faction) is allowed to talk before Day 1 officially starts. This glaring oversight in your highly defensive response worries me... oh I'm too old for this.

Johnny
 
Yes [b[Toto[/b], just ignore everything I've posted.

Oh, the irony! Oh, my sides!

Johnny
 
And for someone so concerned about keeping identities secret, you sure wasted no time blabbing out the player's identity I hinted at. In full knowledge that many players didn't catch on to the reference.

Wasted no time? I waited over 12 hours, but people were still responding with confusion and requests for clarification from both you and me. You will forgive me for deciding that clearing things up was necessary.
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Sep 28 2016, 01:34 AM
Toto is the next most scummy since I feel like he has been pushing for a lynch from the start which I personally believe to be a pro-mafia action unless the target is being scummy or inactive.

Ah, my lad! Feel free to suspect me for whatever reasons you may have, but there are varying philosophies on Day-1 lynches, so I would caution you not to jump to conclusions simply because of that!

To use a very personal analogy, it is like digging wells in the desert. You spend all day digging and digging to the point of exhaustion, but if you don't drink the water once you reach it, what is the point? It will only be covered by a sandstorm during the night, and we will begin the next day afresh with no progress made -- only a comrade lost for no reason. I say any chance of lynching an evildoer is better than no chance. Even if a mistake is made, there is much to learn from it, and the day will not have been in vain. Forgive my forwardness -- old age makes one prone to dispensing with formalities -- but I would rather lynch the towniest-seeming member of our group than no one at all!
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Sep 29 2016, 12:48 AM

Johnny
 
But "Why should I not suspect that perhaps your certainty comes from being a partner in crime of this player, and you have shared your identities amongst yourselves?" is the dumbest part of your assertations.

Oh my, name calling already? Don't you think you're overreacting here?
Before anything else, I need to address this.

It was not my intention to call you dumb. I was saying the claim was dumb. Looking back on it though, I agree I should have chosen my words better. Something like "the weakest part of your assertions" would've been miles better.

Aggressiveness is totally fine in this game, but name-calling and rudeness is not.

So I apologize.
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I still think your theory has more holes than Yuba though. More on that later.

In the meantime, who is biggest suspect in the game right now? Aside from me, if it is me.
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Merry

Honestly, I don't think it matters that people know who Bellisario is or isn't. As far as everyone should be concerned you shouldn't trust anybody but yourself this early in the game regardless of how well you think you know other's playstyles, habits, or who they are. The fact that her username might've been outed is pointless. It does no harm or good for that matter. It's not like a username hints at a role. At the same time outing her username was kinda pointless and at worst distracting. If it indeed was outed....

Let's focus on scumhunting rather than joking around. I'm all for fun and all but what's more fun than getting a successful Mafia lynch??

QUESTION FOR EVERYBODY: How does you feel about lynching an inactive player on Day 1. Even if you answered this question before I'd appreciate it if you'd reiterate. As of now, as far as I know, Inazuma is the only player that has not posted yet on Day 1 but we still have a good number of hours left before the end of the Day. Do you think it's beneficial for Town to lynch an inactive player now or give them a chance to come on Day 2? Why?

To answer my own question I think it's a bad idea to lynch Inazuma on Day 1 assuming the player stays inactive until the end of the Day. I don't think a Mafia member will purposely play the inactive game for the risks it carries. There are too many outside reasons a fellow Townie might not log in on the first Day and Town is strongest in numbers. We need numbers. To most likely give Mafia a headstart of 2 kills based on nothing but inactivity is faulty. On Day 2 of complete inactivity though ....that is a different matter as we gave that player a large enough chance to come on.
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I accept your apology, Johnny. I hope my long life has not led me to be interpreted as bitter or delusional.

Despite not being terribly satisfied with your response to me, I must confess I was voting to make a point, and get discussion going. Since then much has happened...

Currently I am the most alarmed by Boa, and that mischievous Ohm is giving me a migraine. Not to mention the unsatisfactory behavior of a certain elephant sword. Yet, it may be the easiest and most sensible to lynch Inazuma or Charlotte, as I mentioned before.
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Toto
Sep 29 2016, 01:09 AM

Ah, my lad! Feel free to suspect me for whatever reasons you may have, but there are varying philosophies on Day-1 lynches, so I would caution you not to jump to conclusions simply because of that!
I would not say I am jumping to conclusions since I have still not placed a vote. People were asking me about my thoughts so I am simply stating how I feel.

Toto
Sep 29 2016, 01:09 AM
To use a very personal analogy, it is like digging wells in the desert. You spend all day digging and digging to the point of exhaustion, but if you don't drink the water once you reach it, what is the point? It will only be covered by a sandstorm during the night, and we will begin the next day afresh with no progress made -- only a comrade lost for no reason.
This seems like a silly analogy because a game of maffia doesn't work that way we have not "found water" by taking a shot in the dark. This RP post looks like it is trying to relate an obvious foolish action (not drinking found water) to a smart action (not randomly lynching people) faulty logic at best.

Toto
Sep 29 2016, 01:09 AM
I say any chance of lynching an evildoer is better than no chance. Even if a mistake is made, there is much to learn from it, and the day will not have been in vain. Forgive my forwardness -- old age makes one prone to dispensing with formalities -- but I would rather lynch the towniest-seeming member of our group than no one at all!
Seriously? You would rather have less townies than we could? I don't see how a lower number of townies is good for anyone but the bad guys.

if the mafia kills me a warning in advance: Don't be swayed by Toto! regardless if he truly is mafia his way of thinking could be our doom.
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Johnny
Sep 29 2016, 01:12 AM
I still think your theory has more holes than Yuba though. More on that later.

In the meantime, who is biggest suspect in the game right now? Aside from me, if it is me.

Charlotte Brulee.

Merry
Sep 29 2016, 01:21 AM
Honestly, I don't think it matters that people know who Bellisario is or isn't. As far as everyone should be concerned you shouldn't trust anybody but yourself this early in the game regardless of how well you think you know other's playstyles, habits, or who they are. The fact that her username might've been outed is pointless. It does no harm or good for that matter. It's not like a username hints at a role. At the same time outing her username was kinda pointless and at worst distracting. If it indeed was outed....

Let's focus on scumhunting rather than joking around. I'm all for fun and all but what's more fun than getting a successful Mafia lynch??

QUESTION FOR EVERYBODY: How does you feel about lynching an inactive player on Day 1. Even if you answered this question before I'd appreciate it if you'd reiterate. As of now, as far as I know, Inazuma is the only player that has not posted yet on Day 1 but we still have a good number of hours left before the end of the Day. Do you think it's beneficial for Town to lynch an inactive player now or give them a chance to come on Day 2? Why?

To answer my own question I think it's a bad idea to lynch Inazuma on Day 1 assuming the player stays inactive until the end of the Day. I don't think a Mafia member will purposely play the inactive game for the risks it carries. There are too many outside reasons a fellow Townie might not log in on the first Day and Town is strongest in numbers. We need numbers. To most likely give Mafia a headstart of 2 kills based on nothing but inactivity is faulty. On Day 2 of complete inactivity though ....that is a different matter as we gave that player a large enough chance to come on.

Inazuma posted in the day 0 topic and could just be unable to get online for some reason
Brulee on the other hand logged on, did not post anything and got called out on it. Later she posted a post that was of no help at all and has not been heard from since.



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