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Day 2 - Morning Sickness
Topic Started: Oct 1 2016, 12:34 AM (4,889 Views)
Charlotte Brûlée
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Lets take into the consideration that perhaps Gan Fall is the fool, what would people say to that?
I know i would have no evidence towards it but maybe a slip up like this can benefit someone wanting to be lynched and is trying to disguise it?
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About what hapend last night i was either role blocked or
"Something else" happend

I thought we gonna have a serial killer as third party but it is still possible
Also about items i can say i can confirm them
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Can being afraid of a Fool stop being a thing please? Are you ever going to lynch ANYONE, if someone can jump in with "wait maybe they seem scummy because they're the Fool?" It's ridiculous.
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With 18 players left, it takes 10 to lynch.

Inazuma (1): Nero
Gan Fall (6): Toto, Johnny, Sandersonia, Laki, Merry, Aphelandra

Not voting (11): Brulee, Dorry, Elizabello II, Funkfreed, Gan Fall, Haredas, Inazuma, Keimi, Ohm, Porsche, Richie.

41 hours left~
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Gan Fall
Oct 1 2016, 06:24 AM
Toto
Oct 1 2016, 06:17 AM
Ho ho, fine, not that this is necessary, but let's try again to prove the point further.

What is the win condition stated in your role PM?

a) You win when all threats to the town are eliminated
b) You win when no threats to the town remain
c) You win when all non-town players are eliminated
d) You win when all remaining players are aligned with the town
e) You win when all anti-town factions have been eliminated

You can't hide from this one, I'm afraid.
My win condition was not stated in my Role PM.
Toto
Oct 1 2016, 06:27 AM
Thanks, you now confirmed beyond a doubt that you're not even 3rd party, just straight up mafia.
Um, one thing I will say, Toto: I actually didn't get it in mine, either. I know exactly which one of those should have been there, and my writing was blue and such so I was pretty sure I knew my alignment when I got the PM (having played before), but I actually PM'ed Pizarro to confirm I was town because it didn't explicitly say the whole "you win when" thing. It was thanks to me asking for Town confirmation to be absolutely sure that he even posted the colors in the AP thread in the first place. I guess maybe he just forgot it in mine or something? (And possibly some others')

Doesn't change my vote, though, thanks to the reasons I already stated (mainly Gan Fall's lack of real any kind of good self-defense).
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Aphelandra
Oct 1 2016, 02:04 AM
I thought the Fruit Vendor's targets received notification that they'd been given fruit? That's what made them different from a Visitor.

Inazuma explicitly stated that he could not post a vote in his single post, so why would the newly silenced be able to? And I think that being allowed to post once was due to the late activation of the item/power. Sort of like a 'sorry for telling you late' thing.
Oh, yes, I guess typically you do get alerted about the fruit, just not who sent it. How embarrassing! But I suppose this point is also moot now, after Sandy's confirmation.

As for your second point, I cannot see that as a moderating mistake. But I shall ask outright: mods: were any pre-day actions accidentally forgotten until partway into the first day? I feel silly asking such an absurd question, but sadly I feel it necessary. I once again feel like you are putting effort into causing confusion.

Merry
Oct 1 2016, 02:13 AM
Then with Salome's death the 3rd Party is dead and the silencing issue is moot assuming it was Salome who did it.
Except Salome's role had nothing to do with silencing. So no, if there is or ever was a Silencer, it's not Salome.

Inazuma
Oct 1 2016, 02:15 AM
So please, explain how my flip could've helped you at all. No matter the flip, you couldn't have confirmed the existence of the item since any role could have it.

Ho ho ho, in simple terms:
-If you flipped townie, you had no reason to lie. Therefore you were telling the truth, and a Silencer exists
-If you flipped otherwise, then granted, you could still have conceivably been silenced, but nobody would complain because we would have lynched an anti-town player.

Inazuma
Oct 1 2016, 02:15 AM
If you think having the paraphrased message and time details is "no additional information", I may have to question what standard you have for information.

My standard is simply something that makes a difference compared to what was already know or assumed. Everything you explained today was obvious. Arguably with the exception of the "used midday" clause, which is just there for obfuscation I suspect. Either way it changes none of the immediate facts.

Inazuma
Oct 1 2016, 02:15 AM
I posted 46-47 words yesterday (was very careful with the numbers). I posted what was happening to me, and what it stopped me from doing. I admit that I'm bad at condensing paragraphs, but the amount of information you are asking for up there just wasn't viable.

Oh ho, challenge accepted.
A better Day 1 Post
 

Mod message:

"You have been silenced by a silencer. Because it was used on you midday, you are allowed one post in the thread totalling no more than 50 words. You cannot put down a vote in that post."

Received 20:04 EST.

Testing: Vote Lynch: Toto

Sorry guys!

Screw Flanders

That's 50 words. And conveys everything. All of it. Not to mention, word count is SUCH a vague thing. What if you mash up an entire paragraph without spacing and punctuation? Is that one word? If you encode a post into binary, is that one word? If you link a pastebin and just edit the pastebin, is that allowed? Can you update your user title and talk through that? How about color coding certain letters to spell additional words by color? If you're telling the truth, you get an F for effort.

In conclusion, I'm inclined to believe Nero for the moment. I don't know what mischief you're up to, but it's something.

Aphelandra
Oct 1 2016, 06:15 AM
That seems like...quite the leap. Getting colours mixed up automatically points to being a Mafia? I'm not buying it.
His avoidance in answering Sandersonia's question, however, is makes me consider otherwise.

Aphelandra
Oct 1 2016, 06:35 AM
Vote lynch: Gan Fall
Yeah, I'm not following that colour bullshit, but your answer, and reluctance to answer, did it.

Toto, Don't assume that if there is another third party that they'll have a similar PM. Unless they, too, are an Identity Thief, it's bound to be different.

Ho ho ho, full disclosure but right now I'm pinning you as the next most likely scum buddy of Gan Fall. Some nice feigned doubt, followed by bussing because the situation got too undeniable and too many others were voting. At least that's how I currently read it.
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Wait wtf it was boa who gave me that thing
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Charlotte Brûlée
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I never said i was afraid to vote someone that i might find to be suspicious or not.
I'm just trying to cover all of my bases, as you guys have been saying what Gan Fall is saying isnt making sense, it doesnt connect somehow, but 41 hours left and you might be jumping at something inaccurate and 6 people are willing to jump on the same wagon with so much time left.
I may have inexperience, but surely you can understand why i think its scummy?

Although toto might not believe that he is third party, that doesnt mean that the possibilty is out.
On day one, you all say you dont want to make any rash decisions.. What happened to spreading your votes out towards the end of the day cycle?!

Where's ducktective when you need him.. O.O"
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Laki
Oct 1 2016, 07:01 AM
Um, one thing I will say, Toto: I actually didn't get it in mine, either. I know exactly which one of those should have been there, and my writing was blue and such so I was pretty sure I knew my alignment when I got the PM (having played before), but I actually PM'ed Pizarro to confirm I was town because it didn't explicitly say the whole "you win when" thing. It was thanks to me asking for Town confirmation to be absolutely sure that he even posted the colors in the AP thread in the first place. I guess maybe he just forgot it in mine or something? (And possibly some others')

Doesn't change my vote, though, thanks to the reasons I already stated (mainly Gan Fall's lack of real any kind of good self-defense).

Let me put it one way that also answers Aphelandra's last comment to me.

The "Rules to Live By" thread clearly states the win conditions for town and mafia (again, with correct color-coding!). But nothing else. It stands to reason that a 3rd party, belonging to neither, must have win conditions listed explicitly, no matter what. Salome was a bit special because it was more of a loss condition, because to win she would assume one of the other two alignments (with known win conditions).
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Toto
Oct 1 2016, 07:02 AM
mods: were any pre-day actions accidentally forgotten until partway into the first day?
I already said before: there are no mod errors; please remove that from consideration.

Don't make me repeat myself
*waves whip menacingly*
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