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Day 2 - Morning Sickness
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Haredas
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Ohm
Oct 1 2016, 05:12 PM
I am very suprised you are so easy to trust me , not even a tiny bit of doubt? In my eyes I have to look the scummiest person by now besides Gan Fall.

Also I am not going to do that but do allow me to feel bad for these sort of mistakes.
I don't trust you which is why I said "Assuming we can thake this info at face value"
I simply find it easier to get my thoughts in order if I write it out to see what info contradicts other info. for example if someone claimed there was actually 6 mafia we would be sure that either you or them are lying because both can't be true.

So far all we know for certain is that there is at least 1 3rd party.


Also I forgot earlier to get back to my Gan Fall point:
during day 1 he seemed to just post longer winded versions of posts people already made which seems to me like he is trying to appear like he is contributing lots while actually not bringing much info.

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You made a math error who will care after the game is over?
Oh, I'll care.
I'll care hard.

On a serious note: this 'mistake' aligns with my thoughts of potentially another third party, but I can't refuse the idea that it's a desperate defense to cover your ass. Haredas' trust of you is suspicious as well.

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There is a lot going on, and if others 'suddenly' decide that they want to jump on the Gan Fall wagon I don't want to be a responsible party. I've got time to put my vote back on, but I'm not going to be so hasty. I'm not dead-set on Gan Fall, and my suspicions may change, so I'm open for now.
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Aphelandra
Oct 1 2016, 05:23 PM
On a serious note: this 'mistake' aligns with my thoughts of potentially another third party, but I can't refuse the idea that it's a desperate defense to cover your ass. Haredas' trust of you is suspicious as well.


do I need a bigger disclaimer than "assuming we can take this info at face value"?
for the record:
I am highly suspicious of:
Gan Fall - don't need to rehash this
Funkfreed - keeps talking about multi kills and ignoring my questions
Dorry (not as strongly as the other two)

people I am suspicious of:
Ohm/Nero/Inazuma - at least one of them is almost certainly lying
Toto - I still am bothered by how much he wanted a day 1 lynch (sorry if we just have clashing playstyles =P)
Boa - 50/50 I have no idea if she is some kind of fruit vendor or if it is all part of a bigger ruse to make Funkfreed look less scummy...

People I am slightly suspicious of:
Keimi - seems set on staying out of the limelight
Laki - seems almost too good of a townie
Porsche - seems fairly inactive
Brulee - first day behavior

People I am keeping an eye on:
Everyone else.

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Aphelandra
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Not gonna lie, I didn't see that line until you pointed it out.
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Aphelandra
Oct 1 2016, 03:13 PM

Boa Sandersonia
Oct 1 2016, 02:54 PM
Nero, now that you're a Dead Man Walking. Should we try to find if anyone here who DOESN'T have a role? My theory is no one is Vanilla.
I am vanilla. I'm going along the lines of people that are vanilla got no win conditions in their PMs, and people with powers have their win condition stated, as per Gan Fall's information. Whether this was intentional or an oversight is really anybodies guess.
On that note, I really don't want to get modkilled for saying the mods made a mistake.

Funkfreed
Oct 1 2016, 03:05 PM
Im not afraid of death in nights at all
Also if 2 or 3 persons die night 2 and one was me focus on "dorry" please
You are making me very curious about your power. Would you be the one committing one of these killings?

That was an easy reveal. Did you do so you could ask Funkfreed about his power with no suspicion? Because general curiosity isn't a good reason. At least I gave reasons. Also, note I'm not asking him about it anymore.





Richie
Oct 1 2016, 03:42 PM
Aphelandra, you claim being a Vanilla. Can I ask you if your PM text was along the lines of 'You are a Vanilla Townie' ore a little bit different. You don't have to answer in too much detail, since copying your whole text is forbidden anyway.

And it still seems to me like Boa Sandersonia is role fishing. When the Mafia knows who doesn't have a power, they also know who has one, making it easier for them to choose targets.

I'm trying to prove my No Vanilla theory. You wanna claim Vanilla too? Also, that weak questioning of Aphelandra didn't help clear her at all.


Ohm
Oct 1 2016, 04:54 PM
There are 5 players aligned with the Mafia and 12 players aligned with Town. This is the information I recieved . We can conclude that any of the players who are neither town nor mafia are Third party people , yet somehow I counted this ccompletely wrong . This is embarassing and I beg our mods not to reveal who I am on Arlong park . I also realise this does not help my case what so ever and that I look either as the dumbest or scumiest person alive but this is where we are right now sadly.


Now if you excuse me I am going to hang myself Irl.

If you are telling the truth then Inazuma is the last 3rd party and Gan Fall is Mafia if he isn't Town.

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Aphelandra
Oct 1 2016, 05:46 PM
Not gonna lie, I didn't see that line until you pointed it out.
Same , as if I wasn't already embarassed enough .

Anyway Alph and Heradas , with my lovely correction , what is your view right now on the Nero-Boa-Ina-Ohm situation ?
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Ohm
Oct 1 2016, 05:52 PM
Aphelandra
Oct 1 2016, 05:46 PM
Not gonna lie, I didn't see that line until you pointed it out.
Same , as if I wasn't already embarassed enough .

Anyway Alph and Heradas , with my lovely correction , what is your view right now on the Nero-Boa-Ina-Ohm situation ?


Boa is confusing me. she seems to be looking for roles which seems suspicious. Also I find "trying to prove no vanilla" as strange reasoning. Also she claims that if you are telling the truth Inazuma is 3rd party - However what about the scenario in which Nero is lying? she seems to want to jump to conclusions and convince us of those scenarios, faulty logic or a bigger long game plan? I need to reread her posts to try and make any headway.

Either Inazuma or Nero is lying. the four main scenarios that come to mind are
1)Inazuma is lying, Nero is telling the truth, Ohm is telling the truth.
2)Inazuma is telling the truth, Nero is lying and Inazuma is actually town, Ohm is telling the truth
3)Inazuma is telling the truth, Nero is lying, Ohm is also lying there is no other 3rd party.
4)Inazuma is lying, Nero is still lying, Ohm is also lying - either 2+ of them are 3rd party or Ohm's lie got lucky and 1 3rdParty + 2 Mafia in this messy situation.
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I find Dorry suspicious for reasons other people have stated about his actions but aside from that why are you not afraid? and as I asked before why do you think 3 people can die? Sounds like you know more about murdering than the rest of us do.

I don't think Funkfreed should go into any more details. Unless you think that would benefit the Town?


Aphelandra
Oct 1 2016, 05:23 PM
Harry
 
You made a math error who will care after the game is over?
Oh, I'll care.
I'll care hard.

On a serious note: this 'mistake' aligns with my thoughts of potentially another third party, but I can't refuse the idea that it's a desperate defense to cover your ass. Haredas' trust of you is suspicious as well.

Unvote
There is a lot going on, and if others 'suddenly' decide that they want to jump on the Gan Fall wagon I don't want to be a responsible party. I've got time to put my vote back on, but I'm not going to be so hasty. I'm not dead-set on Gan Fall, and my suspicions may change, so I'm open for now.

Open for what? You wanna question Ohm, do it. Don't take a vote off a highly suspicious guy and not start investigating your other suspicious guy.

You wasn't dead set on Gan Fall, then you were totally convinced. NOW, you're not. If Gan Fall is Mafia I'm gonna be on you like water on fish.

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Boa Sandersonia
Oct 1 2016, 05:52 PM
That was an easy reveal. Did you do so you could ask Funkfreed about his power with no suspicion? Because general curiosity isn't a good reason. At least I gave reasons. Also, note I'm not asking him about it anymore.
I revealed to potentially help people with my 'different PMs' theory, the whole 'power roles and non-power roles have differing PMs' thing. Thinking about it more, I'm not exactly sure how it can help, but I'm sure it can.


Ohm
Oct 1 2016, 05:52 PM
Anyway Alph and Heradas , with my lovely correction , what is your view right now on the Nero-Boa-Ina-Ohm situation ?
I don't really see what reason Nero would have to lie about his role. It's a pretty unique role to claim as well, which makes it more likely to be true.

Your changing of numbers fits with my 'headcanon' that there is another third party, but I'm not ready to trust it just yet. As much as I'd hate to admit it, Toto's right in asserting that there may not be another. I'm more inclined to believe you, however, than him. I do have to wonder what role would give you those details on Day 1, though. Unless it's an item?

I could buy Inazuma being another third party, but that would've been fairly ballsy. Porsche posting might be able to help clarify things with this Silencer item/role.

The leading theory is that Sandersonia is a Fruit Vendor, but she has yet to confirm this herself. Care to, Empress-Sister?
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Boa Sandersonia
Oct 1 2016, 06:13 PM
Open for what? You wanna question Ohm, do it. Don't take a vote off a highly suspicious guy and not start investigating your other suspicious guy.

You wasn't dead set on Gan Fall, then you were totally convinced. NOW, you're not. If Gan Fall is Mafia I'm gonna be on you like water on fish.
I was never certain on Gan Fall. I voted because I thought he was likely Mafia. Seeing how we were at 8 votes against him, it was too easy for others to come and vote against him, ending discussion. I had no ill intentions, I was just temporarily removing the vote to make it harder.
I then went on to mention that I am open to my opinions being changed. Maybe it might have helped if the points were written in different posts?
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