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Day 2 - Morning Sickness
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Boa Sandersonia
Oct 1 2016, 06:13 PM

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I find Dorry suspicious for reasons other people have stated about his actions but aside from that why are you not afraid? and as I asked before why do you think 3 people can die? Sounds like you know more about murdering than the rest of us do.

I don't think Funkfreed should go into any more details. Unless you think that would benefit the Town?

I would find him saying "1 or 2" passable but the fact that he from day 1 says 3 people could die in one night makes me think something is off about him. Also him ignoring me does not help him seem any less scummy to me.

I think the game would be horribly unbalanced if the mafia can kill 3 people per night so either Funkfreed is some sort of 3rd party killer or he is talking baseless nonsense and that would probably mean he is mafia.
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Haredas
Oct 1 2016, 06:08 PM
Ohm
Oct 1 2016, 05:52 PM
Aphelandra
Oct 1 2016, 05:46 PM
Not gonna lie, I didn't see that line until you pointed it out.
Same , as if I wasn't already embarassed enough .

Anyway Alph and Heradas , with my lovely correction , what is your view right now on the Nero-Boa-Ina-Ohm situation ?


Boa is confusing me. she seems to be looking for roles which seems suspicious. Also I find "trying to prove no vanilla" as strange reasoning. Also she claims that if you are telling the truth Inazuma is 3rd party - However what about the scenario in which Nero is lying? she seems to want to jump to conclusions and convince us of those scenarios, faulty logic or a bigger long game plan? I need to reread her posts to try and make any headway.

Either Inazuma or Nero is lying. the four main scenarios that come to mind are
1)Inazuma is lying, Nero is telling the truth, Ohm is telling the truth.
2)Inazuma is telling the truth, Nero is lying and Inazuma is actually town, Ohm is telling the truth
3)Inazuma is telling the truth, Nero is lying, Ohm is also lying there is no other 3rd party.
4)Inazuma is lying, Nero is still lying, Ohm is also lying - either 2+ of them are 3rd party or Ohm's lie got lucky and 1 3rdParty + 2 Mafia in this messy situation.

If Nero is lying, Nero will be lynch. That's why I assume he's telling the truth about Inazuma. You don't give reports loosely because that's what happens to you if you're wrong. The reason I'm not on Ohm is because his reports don't directly result in people getting lynched.

I already proved I give an item at Night. So, unless you think Funkfreed and I are both Mafia focus on something else.
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Boa Sandersonia
Oct 1 2016, 06:25 PM
Haredas
Oct 1 2016, 06:08 PM
Ohm
Oct 1 2016, 05:52 PM
Aphelandra
Oct 1 2016, 05:46 PM
Not gonna lie, I didn't see that line until you pointed it out.
Same , as if I wasn't already embarassed enough .

Anyway Alph and Heradas , with my lovely correction , what is your view right now on the Nero-Boa-Ina-Ohm situation ?


Boa is confusing me. she seems to be looking for roles which seems suspicious. Also I find "trying to prove no vanilla" as strange reasoning. Also she claims that if you are telling the truth Inazuma is 3rd party - However what about the scenario in which Nero is lying? she seems to want to jump to conclusions and convince us of those scenarios, faulty logic or a bigger long game plan? I need to reread her posts to try and make any headway.

Either Inazuma or Nero is lying. the four main scenarios that come to mind are
1)Inazuma is lying, Nero is telling the truth, Ohm is telling the truth.
2)Inazuma is telling the truth, Nero is lying and Inazuma is actually town, Ohm is telling the truth
3)Inazuma is telling the truth, Nero is lying, Ohm is also lying there is no other 3rd party.
4)Inazuma is lying, Nero is still lying, Ohm is also lying - either 2+ of them are 3rd party or Ohm's lie got lucky and 1 3rdParty + 2 Mafia in this messy situation.

If Nero is lying, Nero will be lynch. That's why I assume he's telling the truth about Inazuma. You don't give reports loosely because that's what happens to you if you're wrong. The reason I'm not on Ohm is because his reports don't directly result in people getting lynched.

I already proved I give an item at Night. So, unless you think Funkfreed and I are both Mafia focus on something else.

As my posts show Ohm asked me what my thoughts were on you I answered so that people would not accidently think I am trying to hide something about you by ignoring that part of the post. It seems strangely defensive to tell me to focus on something else when I was already focusing on something besides you. Honestly I think it is more likely that Funkfreed is anti town and you just have the misfortune of interacting with him. Also if you are who I think you are your boldness is a personality thing.

Gan Fall should be lynched and I will get on that vote if need be but I don't want to allow any hammers to cut short our discussions on Ohm/Inazuma/Nero. If Inazuma can somehow prove he is town Nero should be the next to go. If more evidence builds on Inazuma I say we can lynch him day 3 and find out if we were tricked or if Nero is an upstanding guy like he claims (which also gives Ohm a bit more cred).


(I am also hoping to hear from porsche before I go voting and bring us closer to the end of the day.)
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Aphelandra
Oct 1 2016, 06:14 PM

Your changing of numbers fits with my 'headcanon' that there is another third party, but I'm not ready to trust it just yet. As much as I'd hate to admit it, Toto's right in asserting that there may not be another. I'm more inclined to believe you, however, than him. I do have to wonder what role would give you those details on Day 1, though. Unless it's an item?


The info I have has not been given to me thanks to an item.

Boa Sandersonia
Oct 1 2016, 06:25 PM

If Nero is lying, Nero will be lynch. That's why I assume he's telling the truth about Inazuma. You don't give reports loosely because that's what happens to you if you're wrong. The reason I'm not on Ohm is because his reports don't directly result in people getting lynched.

I already proved I give an item at Night. So, unless you think Funkfreed and I are both Mafia focus on something else.


You did just say yourself that going after one person doesn't mean you have to ignore the other person . Did any of your thoughts change after the info I now gave . Also did you ever explain why you gave the silencer to Ina day 1 ?
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Okay, done but not much. Short version:
I still want to lynch Dorry. It's just an apology and know he's trying to lay low.
I'm willing to lynch Gan Fall. Additionally to everything today I was bothered by him ignoring the Dorry case when he posted yesterday. Laki did at first bit acknowledged it later and definitely followed up today. I can see both Dorry and Gan Fall being on league.
I also suspect Keimi.
I'm confused by Inazuma/Nero. I don't believe Ina would have silenced himself or lied about being silenced but neither excludes the option that he is third party. I believe Nero's claim. But that doesn't guarantee the correctness of the cop report.
I also believe Ohm. Salome, Nero and rule nr 9 make it clear that this is a game with unclear and changing alignments. Ohm's role will be useful compass in that. That said I do want to know whether the numbers you reported are night or day, which day and whether you will be able to provide updates occasionally.
Boa and funkfreed are interesting but not my primary focus right now. Regardless I would like to see some discussion on how we can be sure this is town rather than 3rd party behavior.
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Also like everybody is saying wait with the Gan Fall vote as realistically possible as we can . The more info we can get today , the better . We do need to watch out that we don't get in a situation however where not enough people are online to be able to lynch him.
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Elizabello II
Oct 1 2016, 06:39 PM
Okay, done but not much. Short version:
I still want to lynch Dorry. It's just an apology and know he's trying to lay low.
I'm willing to lynch Gan Fall. Additionally to everything today I was bothered by him ignoring the Dorry case when he posted yesterday. Laki did at first bit acknowledged it later and definitely followed up today. I can see both Dorry and Gan Fall being on league.
I also suspect Keimi.
I'm confused by Inazuma/Nero. I don't believe Ina would have silenced himself or lied about being silenced but neither excludes the option that he is third party. I believe Nero's claim. But that doesn't guarantee the correctness of the cop report.
I also believe Ohm. Salome, Nero and rule nr 9 make it clear that this is a game with unclear and changing alignments. Ohm's role will be useful compass in that. That said I do want to know whether the numbers you reported are night or day, which day and whether you will be able to provide updates occasionally.
Boa and funkfreed are interesting but not my primary focus right now. Regardless I would like to see some discussion on how we can be sure this is town rather than 3rd party behavior.
Dorry was my number one suspect until today , it has been a bit too much of a crazy ride today to lynch him today however , but we do need him to talk a lot more.
Could you also clarify your Keimi suspicion ?
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Similar to gan fall. Will try to provide more details later.
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Merry

@Toto: Here's the approach. I was possibly right about Ohm being "wrong" rather than lying about there being only one 3rd Party. If I'm not mistaken no one else seemed to have looked at that perspective. Everyone either assumed he was either lying or telling the truth.

This is if Ohm has been telling the truth but has been mistaken the whole time.

@Ohm: So I was maybe right about you just being "wrong" rather than lying? Your explanation is convenient seeing as how you only came up with the explanation after I came up with a reason for it. Also, your explanation came up only after Nero supposedly investigated Inazuma and said he came up GREEN. So right now you were either wrong about the "one 3rd Party" member thing or lying about the 3rd Party member thing. Frankly, I can't see why you would do the latter so I have a feeling Inazuma has some explaining to do.

Even if the Mafia was responsible for silencing him (Inazuma) Nero possibly investigating Inazuma as a 3rd Party member can still be incriminating. 3rd Party doesn't help us out any. And if Inazuma is lynched at some point and is revealed not to be 3rd Party then Nero just...framed a Townie and is probably Mafia running a foolish gamble?
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The reason of me being wrong has been explained , as dumb as it has been , my point of 5 mafia and 12 townies still stands and has been said (the fact of the 5 mafia , I don't think I ever said the 12 townies thing) . It was also the reason I asked about the 19 peoples in day 1 (which makes the fact that I made the math error even more embarassing)

I have no further 'excuses' .
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