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Day 2 - Morning Sickness
Topic Started: Oct 1 2016, 12:34 AM (4,877 Views)
Boa Sandersonia
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For the record, I saw Porsche reading the board eariler. Gonna assume she's silenced.
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Boa Sandersonia
Oct 1 2016, 11:51 PM
Not defensive, more annoyed. Someone backed up my item giving last Night. So, in my mind I don't feel like I should focused on with others out there with NO results and no way to prove their innocence. ...And yeah, I'm who you think I am. I hate roleplaying when I"m a player.
No problem I feel the bigger point of us being OP character's is that I can think I know who you are but I think "are they really? or am I just being messed with" and can't come up with as solid of a read going "Oh playerX does Y I can totally tell their role now"

Boa Sandersonia
Oct 1 2016, 11:51 PM
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You did just say yourself that going after one person doesn't mean you have to ignore the other person . Did any of your thoughts change after the info I now gave . Also did you ever explain why you gave the silencer to Ina day 1 ?

Ohm, I'm barely interested in your reports. The Town won't win until the threats are gone. We keep going until that happens. Sure, the farther the game goes the more we can use them such as in Final Lynches or when to mass claim. But right now, they have little influence on me.

Silencer? So, now I have to power to Silence people during the Day AND give items at Night? Stuff like THAT is why I'm annoyed.

I think he was trying to bait you. Also possible he believes as an item giver you gave a silencer item to someone who used it? (although Inazuma wasting it on himself would be all kinds of dumb)



Boa Sandersonia
Oct 1 2016, 11:55 PM
For the record, I saw Porsche reading the board eariler. Gonna assume she's silenced.

Thank you for the info. If she was this is going to be a pain.
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Merry

Ok, there has been a lot to think about through the first half of this Day which was full of crazy reveals, and we still have like 23 hours left. Let's take a summary.

Gan Fall might have done an uber Mafia slipup.

Boa is passing around items at Night.

Both Funkfreed and Ohm have player and game information (according to them) which under normal circumstances they wouldn't have.

Nero is an Undercover Cop ?

Inazuma is possibly the 3rd Party Silencer everyone is wondering about and might have made a simple ploy to pretend he was the Silencer's first victim, so that no one would suspect him later on.

Porsche might actually be silenced.

Who does that leave out that we really haven't learned much about? Merry, Dorry, Laki, Aphelandra, Toto, Elizabello, Richie, Haredas, Johnny, Keimi, and Brulee

Richie, I wish you would say more Today. Surely you can't be that hungover. The only thing you really did Today was believe Aphelandra was a Vanilla Townie .

Dorry, like Richie , you've offered no to little help and on top of that your defense of your actions is nonexistent, like it doesn't even bother you, yet criticsm of your actions does seem to have bothered you which is why you so quickly unvoted.

Aphelandra , my question to you about your Gan Fall vote still stands.

Laki, honestly I don't know what to think of you right now besides your caution about Toto is shared.

Toto , your observant catch of a possible Mafia slipup (which I agree with you on) if proven fruitful could be a boon to Town but your resistance to talk about any information regarding 3rd party roles and/or items is, well, shortsighted or you're diverting attention. Either one could be bad for Town and brings into question your role.

Brulee , I don't remember anything except you telling everyone to consider Gan Fall might be a Fool . Hmmmm....

Elizabello, Haredas, Johnny, and Keimi...I still am trying to get a read on besides just "I don't know".
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Aphelandra
Oct 1 2016, 03:13 PM
It's not meaningless at all! So everything that happened at the beginning of the game is nonsense? Good to know.
If it's a role, then we know that there is a third party with this ability, and can act on that knowledge. If it is an item, then it is likely not the only item in the game.
Toto, you are trying to divert attention again away from the idea of a third party. Either you wholeheartedly believe that Ohm was correct, and that there was one third party, or you don't want us pursuing this avenue of thought. Every mention of a third party is classed under 'useless fearmongering' by you, and the only thing that's accomplishing is making others follow your train of thought instead of their own.
What has Keimi done that's been suspicious to you?

Young lady, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, or how in the world you must be interpreting my posts. Repeatedly mentioning roles like Fool are useless fearmongering. I have never refused to acknowledge possible 3rd parties. In fact I had been getting on Ohm's case precisely because I thought he was probably wrong/lying about there being a single 3rd party -- I've always felt Inazuma was mostly likely 3rd party, and now Nero has claimed it too, and I said I believed him. Are you even reading my posts?

What is nonsense is making a major distinction right now between:

  • a non-town-aligned 3rd party and mafia (both are bad! Both need to be lynched to win!)
  • a silencing power on day 1 caused by a role or by an item (both mean THE EXACT SAME THING! Someone's ability causes people to be silenced! Where the hell else do you think the item would have come from in the first 2 hours of the game? Why are we even still entertaining the idea of an "item" seriously when there was no basis for it other than Inazuma's random interpretation?

As for Keimi, with so much going on right now, I have absolutely no interest in building a minor case on someone else. But thanks for showing interest in her... that says something at least, ho ho ho.

Aphelandra
Oct 1 2016, 03:13 PM
I'm going along the lines of people that are vanilla got no win conditions in their PMs, and people with powers have their win condition stated, as per Gan Fall's information. Whether this was intentional or an oversight is really anybodies guess.

Or maybe you are over-complicating things again when the real answer is obvious and simple.

Aphelandra
Oct 1 2016, 03:52 PM
It did not begin with that. It began with "You are Aphelandra the Vanilla Town."

You know, details are important. Gan Fall is probably getting lynched over a detail. But Haredas is apparently treating it as a joke. Also, why so quick to claim vanilla? Why is EVERYONE claiming in some way? My old bones are aching over this.

Aphelandra
Oct 1 2016, 05:23 PM
Unvote
There is a lot going on, and if others 'suddenly' decide that they want to jump on the Gan Fall wagon I don't want to be a responsible party. I've got time to put my vote back on, but I'm not going to be so hasty. I'm not dead-set on Gan Fall, and my suspicions may change, so I'm open for now.
Ho ho, you flip-flop better than a mermaid!

Boa Sandersonia
Oct 1 2016, 05:52 PM
I'm trying to prove my No Vanilla theory. You wanna claim Vanilla too? Also, that weak questioning of Aphelandra didn't help clear her at all.
I agree with you about Boa, but... WHY are you trying to prove that theory? All you're doing is instigating even more claims in an altogether way too claim-heavy game. I would like to trust you, but from the very start you keep seeming like you're fishing, and bringing up mass claiming, and now this.
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Sorry, at the end there I meant "I agree with you about Aphelandra."
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I thought about it some more. I'm willing to lynch inazuma. I want to verify Nero's claim and report. I'm also wondering what should take higher priority. I don't believe that inazuma is the silencer though. That would be an ridiculously pointless third party role. I mean what's the wincon supposed to be on that? Silence at least x amount of people or something is just about the only half reasonable option I can come. Otherwise the role doesn't really help for anything. It seems much more useful in mafia hands especially in the later stages of the game when voting gets tight. So, I'd assume that mafia has the ability and that they complained about not being able to use it for day 1 as there was no night before and the mods agreed with the mid-day (well, two hours in) silencing. But that leaves a question mark on what inazuma's role and win-con is. While I don't want to speculate on it too much, there is at least some possibility that it is an infectious role (like converting players). At the same time I'm neither aware of nor do I believe in the option that mafia can recruit additional members. Hence it feels to me like it might be more dangerous to let Ina live another night than gan fall. Again I support both lynches (plus Dorry). Just wondering how to prioritize.

Thoughts?
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Oct 2 2016, 01:40 AM

Boa Sandersonia
Oct 1 2016, 05:52 PM
I'm trying to prove my No Vanilla theory. You wanna claim Vanilla too? Also, that weak questioning of Aphelandra didn't help clear her at all.
I agree with you about Boa, but... WHY are you trying to prove that theory? All you're doing is instigating even more claims in an altogether way too claim-heavy game. I would like to trust you, but from the very start you keep seeming like you're fishing, and bringing up mass claiming, and now this.

If everyone has a role then if they can prove it we can weed out the Mafia. Unfortunately, I'll have to accept it's untrue and be happy with being able to only prove my innocence. I've waited enough and no one else did what I did last Night.



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Elizabello II
Oct 2 2016, 02:05 AM
I thought about it some more. I'm willing to lynch inazuma. I want to verify Nero's claim and report. I'm also wondering what should take higher priority. I don't believe that inazuma is the silencer though. That would be an ridiculously pointless third party role. I mean what's the wincon supposed to be on that? Silence at least x amount of people or something is just about the only half reasonable option I can come. Otherwise the role doesn't really help for anything. It seems much more useful in mafia hands especially in the later stages of the game when voting gets tight. So, I'd assume that mafia has the ability and that they complained about not being able to use it for day 1 as there was no night before and the mods agreed with the mid-day (well, two hours in) silencing. But that leaves a question mark on what inazuma's role and win-con is. While I don't want to speculate on it too much, there is at least some possibility that it is an infectious role (like converting players). At the same time I'm neither aware of nor do I believe in the option that mafia can recruit additional members. Hence it feels to me like it might be more dangerous to let Ina live another night than gan fall. Again I support both lynches (plus Dorry). Just wondering how to prioritize.

Thoughts?

The Roleblocker and Silencer are huge threats. If Gan Fall's most likely Mafia, he needs to go now.

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You are accepting the existence of a role blocker based on funkfreeds claim or for other reasons? Either way it is a solid point. I might be too focused on the infection aspect despite no indication for it.
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Elizabello II
Oct 2 2016, 02:05 AM
I thought about it some more. I'm willing to lynch inazuma. I want to verify Nero's claim and report. I'm also wondering what should take higher priority. I don't believe that inazuma is the silencer though. That would be an ridiculously pointless third party role. I mean what's the wincon supposed to be on that? Silence at least x amount of people or something is just about the only half reasonable option I can come. Otherwise the role doesn't really help for anything. It seems much more useful in mafia hands especially in the later stages of the game when voting gets tight. So, I'd assume that mafia has the ability and that they complained about not being able to use it for day 1 as there was no night before and the mods agreed with the mid-day (well, two hours in) silencing. But that leaves a question mark on what inazuma's role and win-con is. While I don't want to speculate on it too much, there is at least some possibility that it is an infectious role (like converting players). At the same time I'm neither aware of nor do I believe in the option that mafia can recruit additional members. Hence it feels to me like it might be more dangerous to let Ina live another night than gan fall. Again I support both lynches (plus Dorry). Just wondering how to prioritize.

Thoughts?

I think right now the straightforward, obvious lynch is Gan Fall. Tomorrow's course of action will depend significantly on what occurs during the night. But as it currently stands Inazuma is the next logical choice (you don't lynch a cop to verify his claim; you lynch his report first to see if he's lying).

Laki
Oct 1 2016, 08:18 PM
Quite frankly, part of why I said anything is because one of my working theories right now is that you are not Town (either Mafia or another 3rd party if there is one), and thus might have assumed that the Town PMs had the win condition written in them because they usually do, but didn't know that they might not because you didn't receive a Town PM yourself. And so, I wanted it out there in writing that not all Town PM's say that, at a time when I have absolutely no reason to lie about it, and when it's actually relevant and being discussed.

And funny, you accuse me of "causing chaos", but you're the only person who seemed to have a problem with me stepping in to clarify that. You all were already talking about the wording of PMs and messages before I said anything. Are you saying I "caused chaos" simply because you're the one I was contradicting?

What I don't understand is why you suspect my question of indicating I'm not town, but you have no such suspicion of Boa for her question. We both did the exact same thing. So should I now go assume that you didn't notice because you're not town?

And yes, you did answer my question, quite directly. You answered "f) none of the above." It bothers me because it offers Gan Fall some wiggle room in terms of justifying himself and sort of detracts from the case against him. It is entirely his responsibility to fight off accusations. Really I would go into more detail but I'm trying really, really hard to stop the town from being all over the place and never achieve a lynch.

Which brings me to my next point:

We are more than halfway through the day. To everyone who doesn't have a vote on Gan Fall, what are you still hoping to accomplish today? Do you have specific questions for specific people that you need answered? Are you unconvinced? Are you just going to sit around wondering if the absent players are silenced? Does it matter?
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