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Topic Started: Oct 1 2016, 12:34 AM (4,876 Views)
Merry

@Toto: For the record, you're only right if Inazuma is lying or wrong about his silencing. You have indeed been resistant to talk about 3rd Parties and items because you see the terms "Silencer" and "silencing item" as one in the same.

http://s15.zetaboards.com/Dungeon_Crawl_Mafia/single/?p=10003855&t=10030370

But if Funkfreed and Boa are telling even the semblance of the truth about item exchanges then how do we know items aren't at play in this game and another party isn't using them? It's not a distraction as you keep trying to point out. What happens if we lynch Inazuma and his role doesn't turn out to be a Silencer? Do we lynch Porsche next for faking it? What if she isn't faking it? What if Inazuma and Porsche were both actually silenced? All because we don't want to entertain the idea that someone could be using something other than an ability? Even when, again, items are possibly in this game as I type this out.

And the possibility that it was in fact the Mafia who are able to silence someone during the Day when probably no one is able to trace them is a scary thought and, frankly, OP. For them to do it on Day 1 nonetheless points to them being able to do it whenever they want. Unless, Elizabello is right and Day 1 use was just an exception.
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Merry
Oct 2 2016, 01:36 AM
Richie, I wish you would say more Today. Surely you can't be that hungover. The only thing you really did Today was believe Aphelandra was a Vanilla Townie .
Yeah, sorry, after drinking followed sleep...and then I actually had to go work. I should be able to be more active for the rest of the day as well as following days.

So anyways, one thing is rather certain for me: Lynching Gan Fall today would be a wise decision at this point. He seems really scummy at this point and even by the off-chance that he's a townie, we surely get a lot of information by looking at his voters. That's why:

Vote Lynch: Gan Fall

Also the reason, why I believe Aphelandra for now, is that she mentioned a specific word in her role PM that I feel like she couldn't uttered with certainty if she was lying - though still easily possible to be a bluff.

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Also if 2 or 3 persons die night 2 and one was me focus on "dorry" please
This post is also bugging me a bit. He pulled the same thing with Nero yesterday, and imo it could be also read as "If this doesn't happen, you don't have to focus on Dorry". And since this didn't happen last night, and there's suspicion on both Nero and Dorry, I could see this being a trick by a fellow mafioso.

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With 18 players left, it takes 10 to lynch.

Gan Fall (7): Toto, Johnny, Sandersonia, Laki, Merry, Nero, Richie
Nero (1): Inazuma

Not voting (10): Aphelandra, Brulee, Dorry, Elizabello II, Funkfreed, Gan Fall, Haredas, Keimi, Ohm, Porsche.

a bit over 21 hours left~
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Merry

We have 21 hours left. I would actually like Aphelandra to respond to my questions before we lynch somebody with...21 hours left in the Day. Also, Toto I would like you to respond to my posts too which you're probably in the middle of doing right now and, yes, it does matter.
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Merry
Oct 2 2016, 02:29 AM
@Toto: For the record, you're only right if Inazuma is lying or wrong about his silencing. You have indeed been resistant to talk about 3rd Parties and items because you see the terms "Silencer" and "silencing item" as one in the same.

http://s15.zetaboards.com/Dungeon_Crawl_Mafia/single/?p=10003855&t=10030370

But if Funkfreed and Boa are telling even the semblance of the truth about item exchanges then how do we know items aren't at play in this game and another party isn't using them? It's not a distraction as you keep trying to point out. What happens if we lynch Inazuma and his role doesn't turn out to be a Silencer? Do we lynch Porsche next for faking it? What if she isn't faking it? What if Inazuma and Porsche were both actually silenced? All because we don't want to entertain the idea that someone could be using something other than an ability? Even when, again, items are possibly in this game as I type this out.

And the possibility that it was in fact the Mafia who are able to silence someone during the Day when probably no one is able to trace them is a scary thought and, frankly, OP. For them to do it on Day 1 nonetheless points to them being able to do it whenever they want. Unless, Elizabello is right and Day 1 use was just an exception.

I... you... *pulls out any remaining hair on his head*

Ultimately the silencing (if real), regardless of whether it's an item, came from an ability. I don't care whose it was, or how it was used. I am not refusing to talk about 3rd parties, I just LITERALLY DON'T CARE WHETHER IT CAME FROM ONE. All I know is it's a clearly anti-town ability, so whoever used it would need to be stopped

I don't know how to explain this more simply. I wanted to lynch Inazuma on the first day because it had 2 possible outcomes:

1) Inazuma was a good guy. There is a silencer in whatever capacity, who must be stopped.
2) Inazuma is a liar (my belief!). Lynching him is a huge town victory.

Either way, we learned something valuable. NOTHING ELSE MATTERED.

But the ante has only been upped now! Nero has claimed to have copped Inazuma, and found him to be 3rd party!

Now we have TWICE the reason to lynch Inazuma! Because if Inazuma flips town, not only do we confirm silencing, we also confirm Nero is lying and we get to lynch him instead!

*Passes out from frustration*
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Aphelandra
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Sorry, replying now.
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Merry
Oct 1 2016, 07:52 PM
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Oct 1 2016, 06:14 PM
I don't really see what reason Nero would have to lie about his role. It's a pretty unique role to claim as well, which makes it more likely to be true.


Actually, the more unique a roleclaim is the less likely it is to be true because the chances drop of anyone else having that role and counterclaiming. For a non-Townie to claim the generic/common role of Cop early on is very risky because there's a very good chance an actual Town member has that role and could counterclaim. But let's say a non-Townie claims a unique role like say...Undercover Cop that would be harder to counterclaim because there's less of a chance an actual Town member has that role. And it makes it easier to lie about that unique role.

Now, on to a different subject, your vote/unvote/soft defense of Gan Fall

You voted for him and said you weren't buying his "bullshit". You also said his explanation "did it" for you. Surely that means you've come to a decision.

Post #97: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Dungeon_Crawl_Mafia/single/?p=10003765&t=10030370

Then you unvoted him saying you weren't "dead set" on Gan Fall.

Post #182: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Dungeon_Crawl_Mafia/single/?p=10003891&t=10030370

And I feel like you've attempted to defend him. This was your first post referencing the issue.

Post #85: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Dungeon_Crawl_Mafia/single/?p=10003751&t=10030370

And your post in response to Boa you again said you were "never certain" of Gan Fall.

Post #190: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Dungeon_Crawl_Mafia/single/?p=10003903&t=10030370

But look at your post #97 and please explain how that doesn't seem certain and definitive.
I understand that unique roles make it likely a bluff, but I'm going to trust Nero for now based on his information making sense.

I can see how that sounds definitive, and I can't really counter it. I was almost certain that he was due to his avoiding questions and ridiculous answers, but he asserts that the message he received was genuine, and that seems like a ridiculous defense unless he meant it.
See it as I was 95% sure, and his claim pushed it to 75% sure.

Post 85 states that I'm not buying that the colour thing was an issue, but his replies to it everything made me suspect him. Hardly a defense.

If it's putting me in the limelight that much unvoting him, then I'll put it back on. The chance that we'll reach an alternate consensus and leave him for another day is unlikely at this point, halfway through the day.
Vote lynch: Gan Fall
And if I get flack for this, so be it. I have no further arguments. I've laid out why I've done it, and I can do nothing to prove it.
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Domino
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With 18 players left, it takes 10 to lynch.

Gan Fall (8): Toto, Johnny, Sandersonia, Laki, Merry, Nero, Richie, Aphelandra
Nero (1): Inazuma

Not voting (9): Brulee, Dorry, Elizabello II, Funkfreed, Gan Fall, Haredas, Keimi, Ohm, Porsche.

21 hours left~
Edited by Domino, Oct 2 2016, 02:58 AM.
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Hey guys. I was very busy for most of the day and when I returned after several hours there were nearly 20 more pages than there were previously. I don't have the time to read that much, and so I'm not exactly sure why Gan Fall is being targeted. If someone could give me the reason why he has nearly been lynched, I can decide whether or not it would be a good idea to lynch him.

Merry, as far as I'm concerned, I've given my reasoning for my actions. Make of it what you will.
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That's 8, can we stop voting for now.
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