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Day 2 - Morning Sickness
Topic Started: Oct 1 2016, 12:34 AM (4,896 Views)
Merry

Haredas
Oct 1 2016, 01:55 AM
I agree with Laki 3rd party or lone wolf is the same thing. However as for "are there more lone wolves among us?" That depends on if we think Ohm is telling the truth he claimed there was only 1 "3rd party". are you suggesting he lied?


Honestly, I don'tknow what to make of Ohm and his very confident knowledge of a 3rd Party. What I do know is that if there was a silencer item/ability used amongst us it either came from a Mafioso or a 3rd Party. If Ohm is right and there's only one 3rd Party member as he said here.

http://s15.zetaboards.com/Dungeon_Crawl_Mafia/single/?p=10003156&t=10027684

Then with Salome's death the 3rd Party is dead and the silencing issue is moot assuming it was Salome who did it. If Ohm is wrong and there are other non-Mafia/non-Townie aligned parties out there then the silencing issue might still be a problem if it can be used more than once which it probably can be. Or, most frightening of all, the Mafia have a silencing ability they can use during the Day and, again, it can probably be used more than once.
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Inazuma
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Toto
 
Sorry my frivolous companion, but the best possible information would have been seeing your flip. It would have instantly confirmed whether there was or was not something afoot.


I can slightly see your perspective, but you were one of the lone few who insisted on it. Some people entertained it, then shrugged it off, but you and Nero specifically (and possibly another. I'll need to go back and reread completely tonight) pushed it as the only viable option for town. That doesn't sit well with me.

It paints you and Nero, as I said, as people who want to permanently shut somebody up before full answers can be given.

So please, explain how my flip could've helped you at all. No matter the flip, you couldn't have confirmed the existence of the item since any role could have it.

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And so far, you have added no additional information of value. In fact, yesterday you could have fit your ENTIRE copy of the silencing message, along with the time it happened, along with a test vote, along with a few more words. Or did you try to be vague intentionally?


If you think having the paraphrased message and time details is "no additional information", I may have to question what standard you have for information.

I posted 46-47 words yesterday (was very careful with the numbers). I posted what was happening to me, and what it stopped me from doing. I admit that I'm bad at condensing paragraphs, but the amount of information you are asking for up there just wasn't viable.

I certainly wasn't going to put down a vote. I was in no mood to be punished by the mods for going against the rules of the silencer.

I didn't really plan for it to be vague, but I was certainly glad afterwards. It wasn't my fault I was silenced, and it almost got me lynched because of some insisters. I suppose the vagueness helped me survive to day 2, since the majority didn't jump on me since they actually wanted answers.
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Merry

Aphelandra
Oct 1 2016, 02:04 AM
Inazuma explicitly stated that he could not post a vote in his single post, so why would the newly silenced be able to? And I think that being allowed to post once was due to the late activation of the item/power. Sort of like a 'sorry for telling you late' thing.


Oh, right, damn. So if Inazuma is telling the truth and if indeed someone was silenced before the Day started this time (like last Night) there might be a player who might not be able to speak...at all.
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Boa Sandersonia
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Haredas
Oct 1 2016, 01:55 AM

Did you read Inazuma's post?

No. I was making my own post. Read it before starting this one.

Toto
Oct 1 2016, 02:01 AM
I hope I am not being intrusive or offensive, but if you have a Fruit Vendor role or similar, please keep in mind that by convention even if you give out a fruit, the receiving member does not receive any type of alert that it has occurred. But a lady of your cunning surely has these bases covered already.

I sent him something. He'll get a message.

Aphelandra
Oct 1 2016, 02:04 AM
I thought the Fruit Vendor's targets received notification that they'd been given fruit? That's what made them different from a Visitor.

Inazuma explicitly stated that he could not post a vote in his single post, so why would the newly silenced be able to? And I think that being allowed to post once was due to the late activation of the item/power. Sort of like a 'sorry for telling you late' thing.

I'm assuming "can vote" means vote won't be counted. No harm in trying unless the message out right states you will die if you vote.

If the Silencer targets a player early enough so they can't talk at all that is a huge problem. If its a Day ability they can use it on anyone without fear, unless there's some to counter it. Funkfreed or Ohm could be screwed. We should keep watch for them.

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Rather drunk right now to be honest, so heads up that I won't be able to post for some while.
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Haredas
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Richie
Oct 1 2016, 02:40 AM
Rather drunk right now to be honest, so heads up that I won't be able to post for some while.
I don't know if this is the best excuse I have seen or the worst. but it made me lol
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Johnny
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Robert Townie Jr.
Hmm a drunkard is detrimental to the town's safety. Especially when it's a lion. Better lynch the lion for all our sakes.


I suppose we should wait for Funkfreed to post so we can verify Boa's claim. There is the possibility of them being scum-buddies, but the way things played out (1st Funkfreed hints at role, then Boa lays the list of items, tries to pressure Funkfreed for role, now says she gave him item [which could be easily disproven by our Elephant friend]) makes me think Boa might not be scum after all. Would certainly be an odd way to go about being mafia.

Unless...

Funkfreed is mysteriously silent. Boa says oh, mafia must've silenced him because he said he had a role. If this happens, I call phooey. It would be far more likely Boa silenced him herself.

Basically here is my stance: I highly doubt they're in cahoots based on their awkward exchanges yesterday.(I know it's possible scum buddies play off a fight, but this felt different.) If Funkfreed can verify Boa's claim, I suspect her less. That of course doesn't exonerate Funkfreed as it doesn't prove anything about him not being mafia.

If he is conveniently silenced, I call scum.


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Okay, so finally finished this long stupid damned post. In fact, I've got so much here that I'm gonna split it into multiple pieces, so it's not quite as hard to read. So, Part 1:
My final thought in the Day yesterday was about how the whole thing with Dorry should be addressed in more detail today.
Dorry, Day 1
post #14
People who are two cowardly to show up are not worthy of being on the battlefield!
Dorry, Day 1
post #40
Agreed. Leave the dishonorable murders to the mafia scum!
Nero, Day 1
post #56
Dorry, do you have anything more substantive to add-shao? Except for a few sparse posts agreeing with people, do you have your own thoughts-shao?
Dorry, Day 1
post #73
It certainly doesn't hurt to lynch the inactives. If we are to battle the mafia, we must have no weak links!
Dorry, Day 1
post #136
The mafia would have to be extremely daring to put himself into a limelight prosecutor role first. They would more likely settle into a role behind them, to avert suspiscion.

Does Ohm have something to gain? Perhaps we should lynch him!
Dorry, Day 1
post #146
I didn't mean that the mafia would be completely sure to stay in the shadows; they just wouldn't take the lead instigator role like Toto and maybe Nero. But with those in the lead, it would be easy to follow in their trail nominating people without attracting too much attention.
Ohm, Day 1
post #152
Dory has not yet said anything useful.
Johnny, Day 1
post #172
Dorry has said a whole lot of nothing in my opinion. Says we should leave the killing to the mafia, but also says we should lynch someone.
Dorry, Day 1
post #186
Hmm. Well, to answer these quandaries, I was mainly being facetious with suggesting we lynch Ohm because he was annoying me, and he did fit in my hypothesis for possible mafia behaviors.

Most of my posts so far were discussing my point of view of who the mafia could be and what actions they'd be likely to take at this point in the game. I don't really think lynching anyone now is a very good idea, although some people have stood out from the rest. The risks far outweigh the benefits.

Do also know that, in this situation, my beliefs are not always set in stone. Like the legendary warriors of Elbaf, I prefer adapting to new developments among you tiny people.
As I quoted here (and quoted others noting), it feels like you made a lot of posts that were just one-liners expressing rather vague ideas, almost always in fewer words and less detail than others used to say the same thing. Like something that you could point to if someone accuses you of not participating or expressing opinions, but not giving any valuable insight, either.
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Part 2
Ohm, Day 1
post #149
Dorry, Day 1
post #136
The mafia would have to be extremely daring to put himself into a limelight prosecutor role first. They would more likely settle into a role behind them, to avert suspicion.

Does Ohm have something to gain? Perhaps we should lynch him!
I do , information on how players think and react . Also the soft claim on lynching me is dumb , put the vote on me or try to do better.
Ohm, Day 1
post #152
Both these persons have also 'softvoted' a person yet have done nothing with it, which is just a dumb move .
Dorry, Day 1
post #186
Hmm. Well, to answer these quandaries, I was mainly being facetious with suggesting we lynch Ohm because he was annoying me, and he did fit in my hypothesis for possible mafia behaviors.

Most of my posts so far were discussing my point of view of who the mafia could be and what actions they'd be likely to take at this point in the game. I don't really think lynching anyone now is a very good idea, although some people have stood out from the rest. The risks far outweigh the benefits.

Do also know that, in this situation, my beliefs are not always set in stone. Like the legendary warriors of Elbaf, I prefer adapting to new developments among you tiny people.
Ohm, Day 1
post #309
Dorry, Day 1
post #232
Yes, how do you know how many papers there are, Ohmy?

I don't support lynching based on things pulled from thin air...but when something begins to solidify, my mind may be changed...
There obviously is a reason why I know these thing but don't want to share why I know these things. If you still don't know why , then you have to think harder. Also papers? What do you mean? And stop with the soft lynching , do something or say nothing this weird.
As Ohm pointed out, you basically threatened to lynch him twice. The first time, you claimed that it was partially because he was annoying you (um, what? I'm pretty sure most of us annoyed most of the rest of us at some point yesterday, but we weren't all threatening to lynch each other), and also partially because he "fit your hypothesis of possible Mafia behaviors" (without explaining how so, or which ones, in any way). The second time, you just repeated a question that other people asked ("Yeah, how do you know?"). And in both case, didn't really follow it up or seriously question him much more.
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Part 3
But hey, the soft lynching by itself could have just been harmless empty words, implied by this:
Dorry, Day 1
post #186
Most of my posts so far were discussing my point of view of who the mafia could be and what actions they'd be likely to take at this point in the game. I don't really think lynching anyone now is a very good idea, although some people have stood out from the rest. The risks far outweigh the benefits.
That is, until this happened:
Dorry, Day 1
post #339
Looking over Inazuma's claims, and considering how this Silencer item would come into play, I agree that he is definitely suspicious.

Vote Lynch: Inazuma
So, you expressly contradict something you said earlier and don’t give any kind of explanation for it at all. Just, “I agree that he’s definitely suspicious.” Why? What did you find suspicious about it? Like, I said that my main problem was how, when he only got one post (or at least claimed this to be the case), it felt like he didn’t even try to actually make it helpful to our town. And Toto and Nero gave their reasons, too. (For the record, I'm not saying I agree with them, I'm pointing out that they were given.) Whether you agree with any of them or think they’re complete bullshit, at least they were there, to attempt to justify each of us being on the wagon. You had none at all.

And then, subsequently:
Elizabello, Day 1
post #342
To me it looks like you are doing exactly what you said you'd expect mafia to do. Following the lead investigators and testing the ground for a viable wagon without putting your vote down until such a wagon forms. It's very opportunistic behavior without actual scum hunting.
Vote lynch: Dorry
Dorry, Day 1
post #344
Ah, I suppose I am violating my own observations. I still hold them, but I guess I just forgot and acted without considering what those actions would mean.

Unvote
This feels like an “Oh crap, I got called on my bandwagoning” reaction, and you trying to take it back with an “Oops, I was too hasty.” Which, as Elizabello pointed out below, just makes it look even worse.
Elizabello, Day 1
post #346
That just left me speechless and if anything more suspicious. My vote stands.

Any opinions on Dorry from the rest of you?
Ohm, Day 1
post #352
That's it? So the things you have done are : softvoted yet never asked any questions related to it , being a hypocrite towards your own statement , jumping a bandwagon and when you get called out you go very defensive , this screams mafia to me.
Merry, Day 1
post #355
Vote Lynch: Dory

You had a strong, albeit borrowed, case for voting Inazuma but you quickly unvoting him because one person pointed out you might have contradicted yourself is pretty flimsy.
Yup. As you can tell, I completely agree with the above. But, I actually showed why I agree, and didn’t just say so and expect everybody to think that was enough.
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