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Day 3 - The Fall of Woman
Topic Started: Oct 4 2016, 06:13 AM (2,726 Views)
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Nero
Oct 5 2016, 07:31 AM
Inazuma
Oct 5 2016, 07:11 AM
Your best bet would be to keep me around for sure.

If Nero survives another night, you know he's fully mafia aligned. No way they'd leave him alive twice.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand called it.
You predicted that a player in a game would try to survive?

How revolutionary.
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I don't have any new (relevant) Information . So my statement stands. As for everything that happened:

- I understand the distrust in Alph , her voting paterns on day 2 were indeed weird , but there are other people I distrust more who had also weird voting paterns on day 2 , Porsche made a good info chart about that.
- Honestly I think clearing up the Nero-Ina situation is top priority . We have a cop claim , I do believe we want to know if we can trust him or not.Also 50% of todays thread is them bickering so yeah .
- I feel nervous that the Dorry train went very fast . I understand the reasoning behind it all but it is rather unnerving to say the least .

If there are more questions feel free to ask them.

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Mmkay, some more stuff.
Ohm
Oct 4 2016, 09:17 AM
Everybody who voted Dorry : why Dorry ? Why not follow up on the Nero-Ina situation?
Porsche
Oct 5 2016, 01:56 AM
Can the people who voted him (Elizabello, Richie, Laki) elaborate once more on why they did?
Laki! - Why are you voting Dorry?
All of the stuff I detailed in these posts here--Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, and Part 4--are why I found his behavior up to that point to be scummy. He then basically made a brief reply that I didn't find at all satisfying, and I said as much here (midway down the post, his quote is included there, too).

And as for why Dorry over Nero/Inazuma? Well, as I said here last night, quite frankly, I was tired and didn't want to deal with the whole shit of trying to dissect the Nero vs Inazuma Battle Royale. At the time, it was pretty much one guy's word vs the other, so I was planning to have to come back tonight and go read over the whole thing to try to see if I could find any slip-ups to show who might be lying (and thinking about dealing with all that made me kinda want to be gone even longer), or seeing if one of them slipped up or confessed, or if anything else developed, during that time. But I abandoned the wagon I started yesterday because we ended up finding more a much more blatant, pressing suspect who made such an obvious slip that he clearly needed to go, and staying on that Dorry wagon would have been counterproductive to Team Town (and indeed, we managed to fry a Mafia bomber before he fried one of us); however, with that matter settled and a new Day begun, I didn't have any reason to doubt that wagon, and wasn't sure whom to believe yet out of Nero and Inazuma, so I put the vote back on Dorry for the meantime, all while remaining open to the idea of switching to Inazuma/Nero/someone else if I saw a greater reason to doubt them, as happened for Gan Fall.

And maybe it's true, maybe Dorry really is just an inexperienced townie who doesn't know what he's doing. But he could also just be pulling that as a trick, an excuse to throw off suspicion, which I believe Haredas (?) suggested. I know I would be incredibly frustrated if we ended up losing, or even ending up in deep shit, down the line because Dorry actually is Mafia and we just dismissed all the suspicious stuff about him as being newbie kinks, or "too blatantly scummy to actually be scum". Plus, even after many other players have pointed out why his behavior comes across as shady and is not really helpful to the town, he's taken minimal efforts to try to do better, and hasn't really defended himself. Even if I do turn out to be wrong about him being Maf, I think it should at least be obvious by now why I have these suspicions. Which brings me to:
Charlotte Brûlée
Oct 5 2016, 03:59 AM
Elizabello started that crap against you, Dorry, and now Aphelandra is getting away with that shit and you want to stand down?
The way I see it, I might not see something suspicious on Alphelandra directly, because elizabello started that crap against Dorry before.

You arent the only one! I have suspected Elizabello since that first post against Dorry.
I might not have very many ideas, but I need to stand up for what I believe in. But frankly have no idea what questions to ask.
Okay, I can understand if you find other people to be a higher priority than Dorry right now, since that's clearly the case for the majority of players here. Hell, this whole new development to the Nero/Inazuma thing is a whole other ordeal that I'll have to mention tomorrow because it's 3 AM here and I'm freakin' tired, and Keimi's been MIA for who-even-knows-how-long. But almost everybody has at least acknowledged that Dorry's behavior is, at best, that of a pretty unhelpful townie. You seem very insistent here that the accusations against him are "crap", to the point that you need to "stand up for what [you] believe in" about that. (Not really sure what you mean by that.) I wonder why that is.

Freakin' A, I am way too tired for this. Porsche, I apologize, I promise I'll be back later to answer your second question to me.
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On my phone again, so I'm not gonna quote directly, but @Porsche:
Dorry's behaivour on Day 1 was very suspicious with taking his vote off again and stuff. And then yesterday he only ce on shortly, said he has to look why Gan Fall is being lynched now and then just vanished. Which seemed very suspicious imo. That's why for now he's my biggest suspect.

Which brings me to my second biggest suspect, Brulee. Oh, how interesting that especially she is vividly defending Dorry. She really talks like she knows that Dorry isn't scum suddenly, where does that confidence come from, huh?

And I still believe that the Nero/Inazuma-thing is not this urgent, especially after Ina's claim.
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Funkfreed
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Im back and reading now
First things first
I really dont understand why people call me chain killer or something i say every day if "I" die with 1 or 2 other persons go for that person and i told the reason of the "or 2" many times and i tell it again it is because that there may be a serial killer
If you really need more information than that i have to fully role claim because i dont find any other detailed explanation
And the reason i said i will explain everything day 4 or 5 was because i knew people try to lynch me cause if i get roleblocked every night or take a wrong target i will look scummy until day 4 and 5
And also I claimed 2 days that i was role blocked if anyone else believes he/she roleblocked same day as me say it and lynch me after my flip we see who is the lyer
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If 2 or 3 persons die tonight and one of them was me focus on Aphelandra
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Funkfreed
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Now that boa is dead i will say what she gave me
She gave me Clementine and mod said it has no effect
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Johnny
Oct 5 2016, 06:35 AM
Nero

First you said you had info that you wouldn't reveal, but soon after you went ahead and said I'm a townie. I assumed you only withheld that info because you knew I had a role so I kinda blabbed that about myself. Then I find out you can only see colours. So what was the point of holding off that reveal?

Although I feel Nero's claim is probably true, it's still good to go over all the scenarios. Haredas I believe (sorry if this is misattributed) mentioned the possibility of Nero being mafia, and the info coming from one or more mafia members working together with their various powers. Why set all this up then? A) Nero can gain our trust (B) Slip in some fake report of mafioso's innocence and (C) Get us to take out the 3rd party while the mafia gets a free kill (versus us potentially taking out a mafia member and them having to use their kill on the 3rd party)

I still think it's in our best interest to lynch the self-admitted 3rd party today though. We do have to remove the non-townies from the game to win. Also there's no telling what he could do if we let him live knowing he's a dead man. (Remember Gan Fall's JOAT claim! Had we given him one more night he would've taken one of the town with him.)


Funkfreed, this is kind of a gamble but tonight I am going to give you something. Under no circumstances confirm I gave it to you or reveal what it is. This is in the Town's best interest.
Dont give me anything that protects me at night please
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Charlotte Brûlée
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To acknowledge and answer your post Laki:
Dorry's behavior is, at best, that of a pretty unhelpful townie. (Exactly right, which is what im getting at, hold in there)

You seem very insistent here that the accusations against him are "crap", to the point that you need to "stand up for what [you] believe in" about that.

My response: Although i too think his actions are odd, i can understand the pressure in his position. I would like to make this clear for everyone to justify my outright defence against such claims against him.
I can personally confirm his alignment with town, i understand this may paint me as a target, but i have considered this consequence already. And completely open to explain myself as much as i can.

(Not really sure what you mean by that.) I wonder why that is.
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Charlotte Brûlée
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I would go to the effort to stress the idea of dropping claims on a townie member, but at this point i dont expect you to fully believe me considering im high on peoples radars.
Unfortunately for me, my playstyle is usually a very suspicious town.
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