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| Toto | Oct 4 2016, 08:25 PM Post #81 |
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Ahh Porsche, that was a welcome analysis... but maybe I'm a biased geezer since I finally have someone else finding Aphelandra suspicious, oh ho ho! Not that I immediately trust you as a townie. You could be trying to misdirect me, and hell you could be lying about not being silenced too. Well, I promised to eventually weigh in on the Inazuma Pros:
Nero Pros:
I must also point out that for everything frustrating about Funkfreed's style so far, he did make the very astute observation that given Nero's claim, it would not be possible for him to be insane (because there is no opposite of 3rd party). So that is neither a valid fear nor last-minute defense for Nero. Incidentally, I think the suspicion of Funkfreed is overblown. I'm more inclined to think he just has overactive fear/imagination and maybe even confusion about his own role (not that I have any basis for that possibility). Funkfreed, you would do well to organize yourself better and articulate more before posting, instead of making multiple short, in-the-moment posts in a row. But at any rate, the real question is how to proceed. Standard policy dictates you do not lynch a cop claim. You simply do not. You first lynch his guilty report, and proceed from there. I am entirely unconvinced as to either Inazuma or Nero's innocence or truthfulness, but if we're going to lynch them, we start with Inazuma. There is no good justification not to. But if Nero is indeed lying, it worries me that he's willing to sacrifice himself. One of the strongest possibilities was mentioned by Johnny:
This is the best way to make sense of Nero as a liar; I can't see another good justification. Maybe he is quietly trying to sniff our roles, and landed on a jackpot: a 3rd-party find, which he immediately decided to use to gain the town's trust. Maybe the best course of action would be to lynch Inazuma followed by Nero, regardless of Inazuma's flip! Neither flip actually exonerates the other. But at the very least by then we should have an extra Nero report, which we will eventually know the trustworthiness of. |
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| Nero | Oct 4 2016, 08:47 PM Post #82 |
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I AM WEASEL
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My pm simply says my reports tell me my target's alignment |
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| Richie | Oct 4 2016, 08:53 PM Post #83 |
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I actually thought the "Vanilla Town" thing was an actual mistake or abbreviation yesterday. However, today she answered that this is what she's actually got. I wouldn't count out that mods change the wording of a Role PN/Role, so that we don't easily identify ourselves through it, but only "Town" seems just so weird. |
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| Toto | Oct 4 2016, 10:53 PM Post #84 |
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It is disturbingly quiet, ho... Merry and Charlotte have yet to post. I'm expecting something of substance before long (especially from Charlotte, given her inactivity Day 2). Same goes for Keimi who never came back after a trivial first post, despite me addressing her directly, and whom I still have an eye on. Dorry continues to not scum hunt, though in light of everything else I'm not in any rush to jump on that wagon. Johnny, I liked your post, but do you have a suggested course of action? Haredas, when you come back, your full input please. Ohm, anything else to add? Other than not being able to search the word "town" in the filtered list of Aphelandra's posts, much less re-read the day? I'm also still trying to wrap my head around what role you could have possibly been assigned that gave you the information you claim to have. |
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| Haredas | Oct 4 2016, 11:10 PM Post #85 |
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Ok question time: What can we learn from Boa's death? Why would the mafia target her of all people, what do they gain?Since you asked for my opinion, Aphelandra does seem suspicious mainly for not trying to claim she just made a typo about a plausible mistake (messed up and dropped the 'ie') and as previously stated there is suspicions on Dorry for far more than just his voting choices. really? Really, really? Ok so Funkfreed assures us that he is a townie and he has some grand plan so we should keep him alive until day 4 but claims he keeps getting role blocked. Also he instantly trusts Nero and jumps on the inazuma wagon. This I do kinda agree with, if Nero changes his claim to insane cop IMO that is full grounds for a lynch at this point. possible reasoning: "Inazuma might be third party all by himself, Dorry might be part of the Mafia team -> if we lynch Dorry first the mafia are down a member and will now have lost 2 making it potentially much harder to carry out combos but Inazuma would still be the same threat level and he has not likely killed any of us yet" My opinion is a Mafia killer/role finder is probably a bigger threat than whatver inazuma might be (we already lynched Gan Fall and he was not the goon)
Just so we are clear... you are claiming your PM did not say "Townie" ???
You claim you are only going to reveal your report when you "need to" and now you revealed it, what changed to make you feel you needed to? Possibly, or it could just be doing some extra detective work. ex: Mafia infoguy investigates [Identity thief]. He says "Well I know none of the mafia has that power because we are plotting our evil plans together. I also doubt that a townie would have a power that does more harm to the town than it could help so they must be 3rd party" 'Mafia infoguy' now makes the accurate prediction that [Identity thief] is third party we lynch identity and get fooled by the mafia. But is third party just as dangerous? We don't know who the mafia goon is (I am assuming the mafia has at least one murder role) See my earlier part of the post
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| Haredas | Oct 4 2016, 11:28 PM Post #86 |
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Merry/Charlotte/Keimi I agree with. Merry does seem to usually post a fair amount so if we don't hear anything from him I think that is a warning flag of some sort. Dorry I find him and Funkfreed to be the most suspicious but I also don't want to rush any wagons since we still have over 24 hours to decide on the best action. Ohm really needs to give us some explanations, can he use his power multiple times? if he can what new info does he have for us those numbers could be the factor that changes who we lynch. as for Haredas, I hope this is my full input. If anyone feels I have overlooked any questions or thinks of something to ask me please do so. Also not to destract from Dorry or Inazuma/Nero but potential idea about Funkfreed: What if Funkfreed has some sort of "chain-kill" or "multi-kill" ability that he has to prep?
ps: I meant to post after the big johnny quote saying that I am conflicted on the Inazuma/Nero thing and think we need more info to determine who we should believe. |
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| Nero | Oct 5 2016, 12:02 AM Post #87 |
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@Haredas: the problem is being third party Inazuma is an unknown entity. What he can do is a mystery, as opposed to the mafia winning when they reach a majority by killing. We have no idea what Ina's win con is and that scares the hell out of me. To the Funkfreed business, I wouldn't be surprised if he were scum. He is still high on my suspect list because of our first day back and forth. This business with multi kill worry is so out of left field it is concerning. |
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| Toto | Oct 5 2016, 12:03 AM Post #88 |
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What if he just wanted to be around to use his power a few days before full claiming, and was just really bad about trying to be vague? Or maybe he's just lying altogether and actually is anit-town (though right now I don't especially suspect it), but regardless a prep-requiring multi-kill is back to conspiracy-level speculation in my opinion, ho ho.
Well I see two courses of action today: 1) Lynch Nero or Inazuma and start untangling that mess 2) Lynch someone else Option 2) would apparently lead us toward Dorry, which I mean, on any uneventful day I would be fine with exploring as an avenue, but first of all I have higher suspects and second of all, I really think we SHOULD resolve the Nero/Inazuma issue sooner rather than later. And of Nero/Inazuma, I haven't heard any arguments about why Nero would be a better lynch. I'm not even sure it matters who you think sounds more trustworthy, since again you don't lynch a cop before verifying his claims. Or does someone want to argue against this? And I still think they might just both need to die. If Nero is lying, lynching him is the right thing to do. If Nero is telling the truth, then lynching him is the right thing to do, sooner or later (or wait for the mafia to do it, if they believe him, or fear him, or think we won't do it for them). |
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| Merry | Oct 5 2016, 12:04 AM Post #89 |
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I feel late to the Day. We lost our Fruit Vendor but at least it wasn't that important of a role, no offense Boa may you rest in piece. That was a quick vote for Nero you did there Inazuma but you do bring up a valid point. Why is he still alive? For that matter, why is Toto also still alive after pulling off that major wagon against Gan Fall Yesterday? Out of everyone I'm really surprised not one of them bit the dust. Now, there are a few options I can see for both of them living. One of them being the Mafia was too scared about either one being watched or protected. Another reason is 1 of them is Mafia (less likely both) and, again, Mafia decided it was too risky to go after the other. Either way, while it's something to consider the more suspicious of the 2 is by far Nero. Yeah, he could be a Role Cop (able to see another player's role) aligned with Mafia and getting a lucky catch on Night 1 with finding Inazuma's 3rd Party alignment could explain his eagerness to come out on Day 2 to gain Town cred. But if he's telling the truth of only being able to see a player's alignment it would be harder to believe he's Mafia because exactly how useful would that be for them? They know each other's alignment and ultimately that's all that matters in deciding who and who not to kill. But you know what? Mafia or Townie all signs point too him correctly outing Inazuma as a 3rd Party evildoer. Why would a Mafioso sacrifice himself to out a Townie? On to Inazuma. I'm surprised you didn't say anything about Porsche's lack of being silenced. No questions whatsoever, it seems you just believed her. Maybe because there is no Silencer . She herself said that she was able come on twice, briefly, but neither time was able to post at least a sentence letting us know something? Of all the people you should be jumping on that because this silence claim is your defense but, nope, nothing. So far I see no reason to not lynch you Today. Either you're 3rd Party and that's a good lynch, or you're a Townie, which is a negative, but Nero will die Tomorrow and that'll be our 2nd Mafia and only by Day 4. I have more to say on other things but upcoming. |
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| Haredas | Oct 5 2016, 12:21 AM Post #90 |
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I am not highly worried about it, I honestly think he just regular Mafia and I would lynch Dorry before him. Just all his talks focusing about powers reminded me of a game I once played with some sort of arson role. Chances are low and I don't think we should focus on it I just thought I would mention it. As for Inazuma I guess looking at it from a "win condition" angle does make him a bigger threat but on the other hand I feel like it is more likely the mafia will kill any specific player than Inazuma will. if ohm can truly check these things (like if Inazuma was a growing cult) it might change my mind on who was the more pressing issue.
as I said earlier it is just something I have seen in a game, I agree it is nothing but speculation and I think Dorry is a bigger priorty than funkfreed (although I suspect Funkfreed is also scum) my only issue with lynching Inazuma first is that if he flips town than we would lynch Nero which would leave people who I am almost certain are mafia an extra 2 nights to work on killing us that they might not have depending on which mafia role we lynch. |
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