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Day 4 - Good Cop, Bad Cop, Gone Cop, Dead Cop
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Richie
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Porsche
Oct 7 2016, 03:01 PM
And eh... wow, Richie. Why did you claim? You're nowhere near getting lynched and now you feel the urgent need to claim Vanilla?
Like, if you're Town, you shouldn't have.
People can we just STOP needlessly claiming for the love of Enel...
As Toto pointed out I more or less already soft-claimed before, but kept low on it later because I didn't really want to.
But since Toto also said that this is what made me suspicious, I felt the need to adress that I am in fact not afraid to claim to be a Townie, because it seems unlikely to some because of all the power roles. That notion has gotten some traction anyway, and since I know it isn't true I wanted to do away with it. And should I have waited until tomorrow until answering Toto in any reasonable way?

...also, do you really think Aphelandra would tell us the other members now? It seems unlikely she will answer this question, except if she's in cahoots with you.
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Oct 7 2016, 03:17 PM
As Toto pointed out I more or less already soft-claimed before, but kept low on it later because I didn't really want to.
But since Toto also said that this is what made me suspicious, I felt the need to adress that I am in fact not afraid to claim to be a Townie, because it seems unlikely to some because of all the power roles. That notion has gotten some traction anyway, and since I know it isn't true I wanted to do away with it. And should I have waited until tomorrow until answering Toto in any reasonable way?
I don't even know that counts as a soft claim? I guess you could make that of it, but maybe Toto saw something that wasn't there and you decided to make something out of it.
It's just... odd that you're so defensive. Nobody is attacking you directly, and the "No Vanilla"-theory hasn't been discussed for a while now anyway. And you know you don't have to tell people everything just because they ask...

Which makes me think. Toto, why did you force Richie to claim?

Richie
 
...also, do you really think Aphelandra would tell us the other members now? It seems unlikely she will answer this question, except if she's in cahoots with you.

Well okay no need to be so rude about it... like I know she's not actually gonna tell us... it's just like... tradition I guess? geez
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Oct 7 2016, 03:38 PM
Richie
Oct 7 2016, 03:17 PM
As Toto pointed out I more or less already soft-claimed before, but kept low on it later because I didn't really want to.
But since Toto also said that this is what made me suspicious, I felt the need to adress that I am in fact not afraid to claim to be a Townie, because it seems unlikely to some because of all the power roles. That notion has gotten some traction anyway, and since I know it isn't true I wanted to do away with it. And should I have waited until tomorrow until answering Toto in any reasonable way?
I don't even know that counts as a soft claim? I guess you could make that of it, but maybe Toto saw something that wasn't there and you decided to make something out of it.
It's just... odd that you're so defensive. Nobody is attacking you directly, and the "No Vanilla"-theory hasn't been discussed for a while now anyway. And you know you don't have to tell people everything just because they ask...

Which makes me think. Toto, why did you force Richie to claim?

I found it myself to be a soft-claim from Day 2, where I originally asked Aphelandra about her role PM, but I thought nobody noticed until now, so that I didn't need to actually claim. Now that Toto pointed it out I felt the need to properly adress it though. I also feel like Toto and Merry at the moment suspect me the most after Aphelandra now, seeing their posts, so I thought ignoring these for now so I don't need to claim, would only make it harder later. The "No Vanilla" notion was brought up several times over the whole game already and Toto was also pretty much alluding to it in his post adressing me.

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Well okay no need to be so rude about it... like I know she's not actually gonna tell us... it's just like... tradition I guess? geez
Sorry, if you actually think I was rude there. I didn't know that it was the norm to ask this question anyway.

Anyways, I don't want the other part of my post - adressing Keimi - to go under. What are your opinions on her?
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Richie
 
I found it myself to be a soft-claim from Day 2, where I originally asked Aphelandra about her role PM, but I thought nobody noticed until now, so that I didn't need to actually claim. Now that Toto pointed it out I felt the need to properly adress it though. I also feel like Toto and Merry at the moment suspect me the most after Aphelandra now, seeing their posts, so I thought ignoring these for now so I don't need to claim, would only make it harder later. The "No Vanilla" notion was brought up several times over the whole game already and Toto was also pretty much alluding to it in his post adressing me.

Why do you think it would be hard for you to claim? Do you think Toto and Merry would keep going after you?
I'm not attacking you by the way, just trying to get some insight in what you mean here.

Richie
 
Sorry, if you actually think I was rude there. I didn't know that it was the norm to ask this question anyway.
Anyways, I don't want the other part of my post - adressing Keimi - to go under. What are your opinions on her?

I was just fooling around.
And yes, yesterday I was rereading some and trying to organize my thoughts, and I had a really hard time placing Keimi.
You make an interesting point about her calling you and Ina out. Her motives seem floppy. Although, Richie, your accusation here kinda comes across as a late OMGUS.
My problem with Keimi is her posting pattern. On Day 1 she stood out as very proactive and vocal to me, maybe most of all. But ever since, she has posted very little every day, let alone contributed. During the Fall of Gan, she was present to see it happen, but she never voted for him. I definitely would like her to come in and share some of her thoughts about events of the past few days with us.

Now, Aphelandra's silence equals resignation to me. Giving up already? Did we get you?
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All I wanna be is the one who gets to see a giant woman
I haven't been silent. I just can't really deny the facts. It's completely reasonable to assume that I'm Mafia.
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So... are you admitting you are?
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Sigh. Laki is at the "F*ck everything* stage of this game.

Well, based on Brûlée's testimony (and the hindsight of knowing how Funkfreed's power works), my suspicion of Dorry, justified or not, is almost certainly off the mark. My apologies for that much.

Plus, there's Inazuma straight-up confessing before I get the chance to look at his argument with Nero further. And then I come back and answer the rest of the questions and change my vote, only to find that Ina's already been hammered. Which gives me...exactly one useful contribution to this game (helping to lynch a Mafia).

Great.
Porsche, Day 3
post 103
-Yesterday you voted Gan Fall quite quickly, because he slipped and of course that's something you react to immediately. But after doing so, what was next on your list of priorities? What caught your attention on Day 1 and Day 2?
At the time, Dorry was next because of my major suspicion of him, with a few others behind him:

  • Keimi (thanks to her inactivity)
  • You, Porsche (again, inactivity)
  • Toto (whom I was fairly suspicious/cautious of on Day 1 and Day 2)
  • Aphelandra (hadn't really gotten a chance to go through and evaluate stuff against her in-depth; most of my surface suspicions of her had already been addressed by other people.
Now, as far as those go, you obviously came back and explained your absence, so we're good on that front; Dorry is more-or-less cleared; with Toto, I'll admit that since the first two Days, my suspicion of him has died off some (but not completely, of course); with Keimi, seeing that she still hasn't shown up at in a very long time, this is a definite problem that still needs to be addressed; and with Aphelandra, well...
Funkfreed, Day 1
post 343
I fear i miss the end of day so i post this important thing now
And please dont question me about this post till day 2
if 2 or 3 persons die tonight and i be one of them please focus on "nero"
Funkfreed, Day 1
post 166
Im not afraid of death in nights at all
Also if 2 or 3 persons die night 2 and one was me focus on "dorry" please
Funkfreed, Day 3
post 136
If 2 or 3 persons die tonight and one of them was me focus on Aphelandra
Ah, how hindsight is 20/20. Was wondering what role Funkfreed could have that made him seem so confident. (Never heard of the Voyeur role before.) Makes complete sense, then, how he dropped his suspicions of Nero completely after Day 1, and never chimed in about Dorry on Day 3 thanks to clearing him, too.

Well, this looks like a pretty straightforward lynch to me. As stated already, I've completely failed to be helpful in any way during this game (except helping to lynch Gan Fall), so helping to lynch Aphelandra will be Useful Contribution #2...on Day 4. FML.

But, seeing as that would make it L-2, I'll hold off for a while yet, as we're not even 24 hours into the Day. Luckily the Day's end will be on a Saturday when I won't have much else to do, so I should be able to actually be here to place my vote this time. Or even put it at L-2 at the 12-ish hour mark or something.
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Oct 7 2016, 04:28 PM
Richie
 
I found it myself to be a soft-claim from Day 2, where I originally asked Aphelandra about her role PM, but I thought nobody noticed until now, so that I didn't need to actually claim. Now that Toto pointed it out I felt the need to properly adress it though. I also feel like Toto and Merry at the moment suspect me the most after Aphelandra now, seeing their posts, so I thought ignoring these for now so I don't need to claim, would only make it harder later. The "No Vanilla" notion was brought up several times over the whole game already and Toto was also pretty much alluding to it in his post adressing me.

Why do you think it would be hard for you to claim? Do you think Toto and Merry would keep going after you?
I'm not attacking you by the way, just trying to get some insight in what you mean here.
What I mean here is, that their suspicion would only rise after today. They could think I purposely avoided the matter, because I'm mafia and could have screwed up.

And if my concerns towards Keimi come off as OMGUS, than that's too bad. I already adressed it on day 1 shortly, but with all the new information I thought to bring it up again, because I found it very weird - unconcerning the fact that it had to do with myself.

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Merry

I'll give you this, Richie. If this really is a type of Role Madness game then there is a sort of precedence for there being exactly one Vanilla Townie.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Role_Madness

But there are 2 problems with that claim.

1. Mafiawiki doesn't determine how these mods set up this specific game.

2. Vanilla Town is the easiest and most difficult to prove claim in the book. Presumably why Aphelandra went that route.

Now you're counterclaiming her (you said you might be the only 1 true Vanilla Townie) right when she's about to die? That's very convenient of you to take over the role of only VT in Town when the other claim has already been proven false.
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Oct 7 2016, 05:10 PM
Now you're counterclaiming her (you said you might be the only 1 true Vanilla Townie) right when she's about to die? That's very convenient of you to take over the role of only VT in Town when the other claim has already been proven false.
That would be an argument if I didn't already soft-claim as a VT on Day 2, where I still believed Aphelandra. And that was pretty much pointed out by Toto and you in this very thread.

The only reason I mentioned maybe being the only one was, because there actually aren't many players left that haven't admitted to having some kind of role on their own yet.
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