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Day 5 - A Moment of Silence
Topic Started: Oct 9 2016, 05:07 PM (1,988 Views)
Toto
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Keimi
Oct 11 2016, 05:40 AM
@Toto: Not sure what kind of response you're looking for from me. I'll happily stand by my day 1 actions. Sorry if you didn't like my wait and observe approach to Inazuma, it was a conscious decision that I'd do again.

Okay well specific things then that it would be nice to hear about:

  • It's fine if you decided to wait regarding Inazuma, but it seemed like a low blow to say "Aha! You finally noticed, but you weren't aggressive enough about it!
  • Why did you change your mind so quickly about considering voting Inazuma?
  • Why did you not vote Gan Fall despite agreeing he was most certainly scum?


Overall I feel like if you ARE a townie, you should at least be active and put out as many thoughts as you can for now. And perhaps not resign yourself to a lynch fate automatically?
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Keimi

I wasn't necessarily looking for aggression. I was looking for one of two things.
-no one to notice him, this means he's likely scum as the mafia wouldn't let a lurker go unnoticed
-someone to point out the he exists and nothing else(which was what happened)

I follow that up to say all I did was say it was suspicious and I thought people should take note of it. I never said that it made Ritchie mafia, but it certainly made me focus on him for a bit.

I changed my mind about Inazuma because I felt like Aphelandra made a good point. I'm not stubborn enough to stick to an argument when it's pointed out that it's not as valid as I thought.

Are you kidding about the Gan Fall thing? I thought it was pretty clear that I saw the lynch as happening too fast. It was after that I disappeared, though as I said I showed up before the scheduled end of day, he had been lynched by then.

Well I'm a bit more optimistic about my chances now. At first just about everyone who was posting listed me as their top suspect. Normally when everyone has such agreement they act on it. Figured I'd make opinions be known and let the flip speak for itself.
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Elizabello II
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I'm enjoying that everyone gets a thorough look at but we are 12 hours away from eod and we need to get aligned again.
For obvious reasons I don't support a lynch of myself.
I also said I'm not supporting a lynch of keimi
Personally, I feel like Laki or Ohm would be interesting. I also see Johnny's point on Richie but at the same time a lot of the posts he does feel rather townish.
I was hoping Ohm would show up, but since he doesn't and since a lot of the discussion about potential mafia teams is number based, I'd like to share something.
I've asked Ohm to clarify whether it's night or day ages ago so all the people claiming to have done a full reread on me should have seen that. Reason this is relevant and why I've always been sensitive to that aspect is because I have role where I'm aligned with mafia at night. I still win with town and rule nr 9 clearly states that it's the majority during the day that counts so my night alignment is in no way an obstacle to the town victory.

It does however add into Ohm's reports (or the lack thereof) depending on whether it's night or day. So if ohm is for real and if their is no godfather and if his report is night based then there should be only 4 mafia. Same if it's day based do to Nero having the reversed alignment. Make of it what you want. As said there is too much number based speculation to keep this from you any longer. I kept it hoping to catch ohm in a lie but you can't lie if you don't post.
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Elizabello II
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And even though I generally like Johnny's posts, ibam still wondering about his supposed item that he was gonna give Funkfreed and that apparently nobody else received in all those nights. And him bringing up the option that he might be a godfather doesn't really change that he might be the god father.
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And it's more like 10 hours left now.
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Merry

Toto
Oct 11 2016, 02:15 AM
Ever since the beginning of the first day he has stated being concerned about "everyone."


This is true, mostly. Everyone but myself. Even now on Day 5 I'm still mostly concerned with nearly everyone. Some people are more suspicious than others by this point but the only players I've written off are the deceased and the cleared. Would you prefer I write some others off such as perhaps yourself?

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Later, Gan Fall seems to be in agreement with Merry after claiming to have been ninja'd by him.


Context.

Yes, he did agree with me...and Dorry...and Porsche, and if you elaborated on the full situation I questioned him not once but twice about that post because he was doing the exact same thing he said the Mafia would be doing.

Here are the full pages for the full context of what you're is leaving out.

My post is #143: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Dungeon_Crawl_Mafia/topic/10027684/15/
My next post is #155: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Dungeon_Crawl_Mafia/topic/10027684/16/

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Next, Merry says it would take TWO days of inactivity for him to consider an inactive lynch, yet spends a lot of the first day obsessively asking people their stance on inactive lynches, even for players who have stated their views and laid votes.


Yeah, I still stand by that too. I believe we had a disagreement about lynching inactives on Day 1. I'm not for careless lynches though I'm sure you personally wouldn't call them "careless". And it's no secret I was looking for any slipups of people who at the beginning of the Day said they weren't going to lynch an inactive player but might later say, hey, I think we should lynch an inactive player. That's why I was asking that question.

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Finally of note, on Day 1 he also gets on Dorry's case for being inconsistent.


Inconsistency. The same reason why I got on Aphelandra's case on Day 2. Which we're moving on to now.

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On Day 2, Merry spends a lot of time going into speculation and theoreticals about the Silencer. He also decides to make a weird and meaningless distinction between a 3rd party and lone wolf, which Pizarro eventually clarifies himself.


Oi! You mean this lone wolf and 3rd Party distinction which I already clarified in response to Laki before Pizarro said anything which you conveniently did not mention? I'll get to the silencing thing below.

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Merry also begins somehow arguing that Salome must have been the Silencer, which makes zero sense but when I point this out, he goes into a big discussion about how it might be an ITEM and not a ROLE, as if that somehow makes it more plausible for Salome to have used it Day 1. He insists multiple times, even when I argue against him.


Omitting context and this time fact. You're being misleading when you say I said Salome must have been the Silencer. We already knew his role and it most certainly wasn't Silencer. You're probably referring to this post. I hypothesized the possibility that he could have used an item to silence Inazuma not that, 'Oh, he was definitely the Silencer.' and it's not even an idea I pushed hard.

Nearly everyone was talking about the Silencer and items on Day 2. You included. And On Day 2 there were already 2 wholly separate instances of "items" being brought into the games consciousness so of course people talked about them;

1. Inazuma possibly being silenced by an item.
2. Boa and Funkfreed talking about confirmed items.

I myself am not surprised I talked about items and the possibility of a Silencer.

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Still on Day 2, when Gan Fall's slip is pointed out, he very emphatically and dramatically declares his lynch against him (trying to bus convincingly?)


Sure? You can call it a bus but to me it was an obvious giveaway. It wasn't even the slipup which confirmed he was Mafia for me. It was his terrible explanation which, I repeat, didn't make any sense.

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but then goes off on tangents such as joking(?) that Richie might have been silenced and wasted his single post on the comment about being drunk, or grilling Funkfreed about his number of deaths hypotheticals.


lol, I can't defend myself for playing around with that drunk Lionel Richie post. Guilty as charged on that one but as for Funkfreed, what do you mean by grilling? I think you have that work mixed up with confused because I was seriously confused about all the breadcrumbs he was dropping. Hindsight is 20/20.

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Overall for the rest of the day he remains obsessed with items and the possibility of item exchanging, and decides to accuse me of refusing to discuss 3rd parties (after Aphelandra accused me of the same thing earlier, I might add), which was not true. He posted a largely self-evident recap at one point as well.


False. The rest of Day I was questioning Gan Fall and trying to get answers about his JOAT claim. For someone who read over all my posts you sure did omit or skip over a lot of stuff.

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The only other thing of note on Day 2 was his curious claim to Aphelandra that Nero's undercover cop claim made him LESS trustworthy than a regular cop claim, because it was less likely to get counter-claimed. A cop is a cop though, even if undercover. A regular cop counter-claim would have been bad either way.


A "Cop is a Cop" does not equal a "Cop is an Undercover Cop". Those are 2 different roles. 2 different claims. If I were to claim an Insane Cop (assuming I knew that was my role) would that drive the Sane Cop to counter-claim? The whole point was it's harder to claim a more common powerrole and easier to claim a less common one.

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Then of course later on Day 4 Merry jumped at the opportunity to go after Richie after I spontaneously questioned him, which seemed odd to me.


I thought we already went over that.. That isn't true.

Haredas
Oct 11 2016, 02:56 AM
Merry is actually probably my top suspect for various posting behaviors. Toto's similar conclusions help convince me that I am not just being bothered by something that is not there. I think I have previously stated I have had trouble getting on a read on Merry.


Well, you aren't the only one. Apparently everybody is having trouble getting a "read" on me... Maybe because I'm a little more paranoid than the rest and refuse to trust most people. Maybe because that's the developing narrative people want to latch on to.

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Reinforced by the fact that I see him online but not viewing “the dungeon” section for strangely “long” times. Which unless Dorry wants to say Merry is another mason buddy this feels like he must be browsing the mafia section. I apologize if pointing this last one out is considered playing dirty or being a badsport but Merry seems to be using forum activity as a basis in his arguments.


I never thought I'd see such dirty play!

I would say I use my diary a lot but that'd be a lie. I only in that thing once a Day. I do leave my phone on the site all the time while at work and sleeping though, but I don't hang around the actual Day threads because then I'd be accused of lurking. Now wouldn't I? Desperate play there.
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Elizabello II
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Especially since Toto himself has been hanging out in the main section of the board rather than this thread for quite some time now. Glasshouse and stones and all that rubbish.
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Sigh. Finally logged in. God, am I behind. I'll start working on a post here.
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Merry

I don't know...I want to pursue Keimi. She is the safest choice for a lynch. Didn't help lynch any Mafia...has provided minimal input much of the game...claims Vanilla Town which means if she is telling the truth and we suffer our first mislynch it wouldn't exactly be devastating...but I feel uneasy about it. That's the truth. My clearest Mafia target and the whole situation still remains frustratingly unclear to me. But I don't want a no lynch and I would hate to let an easy Mafia target slip away because my feelings which could be misguided.

If it wasn't you it'd be Richie

Vote Lynch: Keimi
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Merry

That's L-2 I believe.
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