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Day 5 - A Moment of Silence
Topic Started: Oct 9 2016, 05:07 PM (1,995 Views)
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Haredas
Oct 9 2016, 11:25 PM
If you or Richie is mafia I find it plausible for you to be scumbuddies. Might have been a mistake (you forgot him) but it might have been a slip up when you covered for him.
I didn't understand at first what you meant by me "forgetting" Richie. I just meant that those 3 - Keimi, Elizabello and you - were the most blurry to me, as in, I don't know what to think of them because they haven't had a very clear stance on anything.
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Oh people have been insinuating that plenty. Also, please don't accuse me of turning logic around, never once did I say that my lack of voting makes me town, I simply stated that it didn't make me mafia.
No, but the fact that it doesn't make you Town, matters. You still have to answer for your actions - or lack thereof.

Keimi
 
So if that's your case it only makes me suspect you in return.
Really now...
But it's not your inactivity in itself that makes me suspect you. I have stated my suspicion of you and reasons for it previously. The problem is not that you post little, the problem is that you never actually take a stance on things. That is Mafia behaviour. It leaves you room to switch around and adapt should the need arise, and it is not helping Town in any way. And not being around when the hammering goes down is one thing, but getting to Day 5 without ever contributing to a lynch... that's systematic. You say it's weak - suspicious even - to suspect you based off the fact that you don't contribute anything, but not contributing anything IS scummy. If you're not helping the Town, you're working against it.
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Keimi

I would agree with your case if I was around and posting without contributing anything. Absence doesn't mean that though. Is it helpful? Of course not, I admitted to that already, but to say I'm actively working against the town silly. Also, I definitely did take stances on things while I was active, kind of hard to do it when I'm not posting though. This all seems to come back to you wanting to lynch based on not posting anything, which is fine, inactivity is harmful, just don't say it makes me Scummy McScumpants.
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Keimi
Oct 10 2016, 12:45 AM
Haredas
Oct 9 2016, 10:23 PM

Keimi: she was super inactive, claims to be busy IRL. I don’t want to doubt an IRL excuse too heavily (I am not dropping it though) because I would like to think we are all good enough sports to keep our lying limited to in-game things. Some of her flip flopping raises eyebrows.

Oh the IRL thing is definitely true, writing a research paper due tonight at the moment :(
but being busy doesn't make me town or mafia. If you suspect me on others things, then that's fair. Speaking of those other things, I'm curious where you think I flip flopped.
Good luck with the school stuff :O
I meant how you seemed to be going from "Inazuma is suspicious" to "People who suspect Inazuma are suspicious" and back again. You also brought up points against Richie and Ohm but just kinda abandoned them when people focused on other things.

Keimi
 
The whole point of me saying those things is that people who suspect me based off the voting or the inactivity have weak arguments. There is nothing solid to base it on since I haven't been around. So if that's your case it only makes me suspect you in return. If it's actually based off the little content I gave earlier then I'd cut you some slack. Take Ritchie for example, his suspicions started earlier then my absence, even if it was a bit OMGUS, but it gives him a bit more credit in my eyes.

Speaking of Ritchie, that post I pointed out was definitely suspicious, but you've redeemed yourself in other areas and I'm almost positive now that you are town.
Just to help you see where we are (at least I am) coming from: You didn't vote on the lynch for Gan Fall and just kinda vanished after which was around the time everyone started suspecting Aphelandra... almost like you were trying to stay out of the conversation about the outed mafia members to avoid saying something that would incriminate yourself. From my "experience" there is usually at least one mafia member who is not confident and tries to stay as inactive as possible to give the town less options to get a read on them.

Porsche
Oct 10 2016, 12:46 AM
Haredas
Oct 9 2016, 11:25 PM
If you or Richie is mafia I find it plausible for you to be scumbuddies. Might have been a mistake (you forgot him) but it might have been a slip up when you covered for him.
I didn't understand at first what you meant by me "forgetting" Richie. I just meant that those 3 - Keimi, Elizabello and you - were the most blurry to me, as in, I don't know what to think of them because they haven't had a very clear stance on anything.
just to make us all cleared up:
you posted
Porsche
Oct 9 2016, 05:39 PM
This was the final wagon yesterday:
Aphelandra (7): Merry, Toto, Johnny, Dorry, Laki, Porsche, Aphelandra
Not voting (6): Brulee, Elizabello II, Haredas, Keimi, Ohm, Richie.

There seems to be a recurring pattern in the "not voting"-row. I'm looking at Elizabello, Haredas and -mostly - Keimi as being very blurry. Elizabello and Haredas have both posted and voted to some extent, but I can't remember them making any really important contributions.
and my first thought was "hold on Richie is far more of a pattern than I am I only missed the wagon once" it felt like you were purposefully not including Richie in a list he clearly belonged in. However if your focus in the post was on who seemed blurry and not "who was part of the pattern" I can see where the mistake happened. But remember Both of the Mafia gave themselves away by making a mistake in their post.

And I won't deny your points against me. I am honestly glad you are picking up on those things, in a game like this we must notice every detail if we hope to catch the mafia :D

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Haredas
 
and my first thought was "hold on Richie is far more of a pattern than I am I only missed the wagon once" it felt like you were purposefully not including Richie in a list he clearly belonged in. However if your focus in the post was on who seemed blurry and not "who was part of the pattern" I can see where the mistake happened.

I just saw a trend in certain people not voting, and then looking at the list, those 3 names stood out to me as "unclear motives". I guess I jumped from one thing to another a bit too quickly, but my thought process was still going as I was typing the post... and then things can get a little all over the place with me. I apologize :p

In any case the "missing wagons" thing is not a reason for suspicion to me in itself. This has been a strange game in terms of activity, hell, I've only been on one wagon myself. My problem is with people who are otherwise active but miss lynches, or who are present when a lynch is taking place that practically all the Town is agreeing with, but don't participate. And then the "no clear stance" in general.

Haredas
 
But remember Both of the Mafia gave themselves away by making a mistake in their post.

This sounds like you're warning me to be cautious if I'm Mafia...? Don't worry, I have nothing to give away :p
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Merry

Porsche
Oct 9 2016, 05:39 PM
Secondly, I'm definitely assuming there were other mafia among the people who voted for Aphelandra. She was an easy bussee.
Aphelandra was also suspected by some the day before yesterday. So I'm specifically looking at people who voted Aphelandra yesterday, but saw no harm in her the day before, even though she was quite scummy then already. I think Johnny, Merry and Laki fit into that category. So my question to those three: who is in your suspect pool?
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Huh?

You "think" is right because I'm not in that category. I was one of the first people to notice and point out Aphelandra's scummy behavior. Not to say that gives me any credit because Aphelandra WAS an easy bus. I'm just saying I'm not in that category.

But to answer your question it'd be easier to point out who is not in my suspect pool because it's a smaller group:

Dorry
Johnny*

*Johnny is a little special because if he's a ]Godfather then Nero's report could be moot. But right now we have a Cop report who said he's Town soo...I'll put him up there.

Suspect Pool (and I'll even do it in order from greatest to least):

Keimi: No help at all in lynching any of the Mafia. Like, absolutely nothing.

Elizabello: Suspicious inactivity

Richie: Still suspicious of his posts and claim related to Aphelandra who turned out to be Mafia.

Ohm: Something about him having unexplained knowledge of the game but being of little help in the actual game is throwing me off.

Haredas: You know, people keep saying how easy Aphelandra's lynch was Yesterday because it's true, but why did you not notice anything wrong until it was voted on and explained? Or did you definitely notice it but hoped for miracle if you didn't mention anything?

Porsche: Seems to have only picked up activity after 2 Mafia buddies lynched as if to pick up slack.

Laki: Seems to be keeping up with events even with a lack of activity but that doesn't translate to helping Town.

Toto: It's one thing to bus your opponent but to do it on something as small and technical as a color slip that everyone else might have missed? Not off the hook though and shouldn't be.
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Merry

Whoops, I didn't finish my sentence for Elizabello. Suspicious inactivity when it comes to lynching Mafia.
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Merry
Oct 10 2016, 02:18 AM

Suspect Pool (and I'll even do it in order from greatest to least):

Keimi: No help at all in lynching any of the Mafia. Like, absolutely nothing.

Elizabello: Suspicious inactivity

Richie: Still suspicious of his posts and claim related to Aphelandra who turned out to be Mafia.

Ohm: Something about him having unexplained knowledge of the game but being of little help in the actual game is throwing me off.

Haredas: You know, people keep saying how easy Aphelandra's lynch was Yesterday because it's true, but why did you not notice anything wrong until it was voted on and explained? Or did you definitely notice it but hoped for miracle if you didn't mention anything?

Porsche: Seems to have only picked up activity after 2 Mafia buddies lynched as if to pick up slack.

Laki: Seems to be keeping up with events even with a lack of activity but that doesn't translate to helping Town.

Toto: It's one thing to bus your opponent but to do it on something as small and technical as a color slip that everyone else might have missed? Not off the hook though and shouldn't be.
#5? you flatter me. :$ I will be back quickly

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Merry

Yeah, but I could be wrong. Very wrong.
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@ Merry
I would kindly request you direct your attention to
http://s15.zetaboards.com/Dungeon_Crawl_Mafia/single/?p=10003870&t=10030370
Notice who the first person to bring it up in the thread after and not using the words "I believe you"
(Hint: his name starts with Har)

then you can skip ahead if you wish to this post:
http://s15.zetaboards.com/Dungeon_Crawl_Mafia/single/?p=10004012&t=10030370

I wonder just what I could be scheming...
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