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With 11 players left, it takes 6 to lynch.

Keimi (1): Laki

Not voting (10): Dorry, Elizabello II, Haredas, Johnny, Keimi, Merry, Ohm, Porsche, Richie, Toto.

38 hours left, approximately~
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Toto Are you going to post? you seem unusually quiet today.
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Haredas
Oct 10 2016, 02:47 AM
@ Merry
I would kindly request you direct your attention to
http://s15.zetaboards.com/Dungeon_Crawl_Mafia/single/?p=10003870&t=10030370
Notice who the first person to bring it up in the thread after and not using the words "I believe you"
(Hint: his name starts with Har)

then you can skip ahead if you wish to this post:
http://s15.zetaboards.com/Dungeon_Crawl_Mafia/single/?p=10004012&t=10030370

I wonder just what I could be scheming...


Ok, I can see you were joking around or not joking around with Aphelandra in the past but my question was specifically about Day 4.

The very first post was Pizarro's (the topic starter) where it was made very obvious that Aphelandra was Mafia but you mentioned nothing. In fact, after I voted and explained the reason you asked was the post about...you. Can I get an explanation for that?

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Merry
Oct 10 2016, 02:56 AM
Haredas
Oct 10 2016, 02:47 AM
@ Merry
I would kindly request you direct your attention to
http://s15.zetaboards.com/Dungeon_Crawl_Mafia/single/?p=10003870&t=10030370
Notice who the first person to bring it up in the thread after and not using the words "I believe you"
(Hint: his name starts with Har)

then you can skip ahead if you wish to this post:
http://s15.zetaboards.com/Dungeon_Crawl_Mafia/single/?p=10004012&t=10030370

I wonder just what I could be scheming...


Ok, I can see you were joking around or not joking around with Aphelandra in the past but my question was specifically about Day 4.

The very first post was Pizarro's (the topic starter) where it was made very obvious that Aphelandra was Mafia but you mentioned nothing. In fact, after I voted and explained the reason you asked was the post about...you. Can I get an explanation for that?

ohh day 4 ok.
Well a few factors

  • I like to lynch late in the day so I can prolong discussion.
  • I felt like I really didn't need to say anything else about Aphelandra her fate was already set.
  • I honestly was not sure what your point was with your 2nd post since I basically said 'Wow I was right about funkfreed knowing there could be an extra death because of his ability but I did not expect it would play out that HE would die from investigating Aphelandra' and you linked a funkfreed post I was honestly confused why you were asking about funkfreed if you said "yo why didn't you vote lynch" I would have said I would do it later in the day
  • I was going to vote for aphelandra first thing in the morning but her self hammer blocked me from doing so. It made me quite upset TBH


I honestly did not think your second post was explaining your first because honestly I did not think we needed any explanation after Funkfreed handed us our next lynch on a silver plate.

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I also later in the topic posted
http://s15.zetaboards.com/Dungeon_Crawl_Mafia/single/?p=10005160&t=10035215
which was about as obvious as I get. Obvious townies are dead townies.

When Aphelandra posted and tried to say "but wait why didn't Funkfreed die from visiting nero" to try and cover for herself I shot down that argument.
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Porsche
Oct 9 2016, 05:39 PM
I don't want to be paranoid but... this makes it sound like there is only 1 Mafia left?

No it doesn't? I don't know why you think it sounds that way. But at any rate we definitely have at least 2 more mafia, though for now I'm assuming there's 3.

Porsche
Oct 9 2016, 05:39 PM
Secondly, I'm definitely assuming there were other mafia among the people who voted for Aphelandra. She was an easy bussee.
Aphelandra was also suspected by some the day before yesterday. So I'm specifically looking at people who voted Aphelandra yesterday, but saw no harm in her the day before, even though she was quite scummy then already. I think Johnny, Merry and Laki fit into that category. So my question to those three: who is in your suspect pool?

I think it's reasonable to assume that at least one of Aphelandra's scum buddies was on the wagon. Two seems less likely to me, since That would mean 3 out of the 7 votes were mafia themselves. Since Johnny is practically completely cleared, I'm looking at Merry the most out of your list. Laki is also possible. And despite you saying the day before that you suspected her (after much inactivity), you'd be on that list for me too.

Dorry
Oct 9 2016, 07:29 PM
I haven't seen Ohm in a really long time. Either the silencer is targeting him hard or he's being AWOL. If my feeling about what user he is is correct, then I could easily see him just being busy irl...but it still makes me suspicious.

Ohm, what's caused your fall?

I definitely want to hear from Ohm again, but we've really reached a point where we should stop bringing up the silencer. It was probably one-shot or didn't exist. We haven't had anyone say they were silenced after Inazuma, which means otherwise the mafia would have to be perpetually silencing the same person (or they'd have to be planning their kills a day in advance and only silencing people they're going to kill, i.e. Charlotte was silenced Night 3 then killed Night 4). But I don't know why I'm even bothering to list these possibilities; it's kind of a waste of time if you ask me. That said if I don't post a single time in an entire Day, assume that something is definitely up.

Haredas
Oct 9 2016, 10:23 PM
Toto: Pushed real hard for a Johnny/Inazuma lynch on day 1. It feels like he is determined to see lynches for the sake of lynches, placing more importance on reducing the number of players than the number of mafia. Also said he didn’t want to discuss future lynches yesterday because he wanted to not lay his cards on the table when we have an obvious lynch. I am not asking for a claim or anything but wanting to build a future case seems suspicious.

I definitely think lynching is better than not lynching, but that doesn't mean I'm not trying to lynch actual mafia above all else. That should be sort of obvious given my actions so far. At any rate I didn't want to discuss future lynches (or rank players' suspiciousness) because I was already way too concerned about being able to achieve the current handed-on-a-silver-platter lynch. Activity levels were dangerously low. And also, I didn't want to prematurely tip anyone off about my thoughts on them/others when it wouldn't affect the current day. I did decide to throw in my affirmation of suspicions of Keimi, mostly because if I had died during the night she was the one player I felt strongly enough about to want others to pursue later.

But now it's Day 5 and there's no immediately obvious direction to go. I think we are at a stage where it would benefit everybody to start re-reading previous days. The player list is small enough now to where we should be able to review the posts of our suspects and find useful information, especially in light of the fact that so many players have flipped or been cleared. I myself have yet to re-read, so I'm very intentionally going to give my current impressions BEFORE doing any significant reviewing. I want to make sure my current impressions get out there. For example I know I listed Keimi as a minor suspect early in the game, but I can't even remember WHY I didn't like her Day 1 posts anymore (what I do know is Aphelandra's sudden curiosity in what I found suspicious about Keimi keeps my suspicion alive regardless, even ignoring inactivity). Later after I've had time for a bigger review, I'll come back with my updated observations.

But for now I'll jot down some thoughts (in alphabetical order, not in order of suspicion). This is entirely from memory right now.

Dorry: Super-confirmed town at this point. Would be the obvious next mafia target if the mafia ever went for obvious kills. So far I think they haven't.

Elizabello: Pretty suspicious to me right now. One of the few players to not claim in any shape or form, very hesitant to vote, and his arguments have never seemed focused to me. Not much real scum hunting, either.

Haredas: Has always steered conversation in useful directions, and has always had some kind of insight I've found useful. But until prodded today, really never DID take heavy stances, which concerned me. Of the people I have no good read on, he's feeling more townie than not. But one thing that continues to bother me is that he was the first to point out BOTH scum slips (Gan Fall's color confusion and Aphelandra's townie typo), and yet in neither case did he actually call out the behavior as scummy. That's casting some serious doubt of his alignment for me.

Johnny: Confirmed townie, even if not as much as Dorry (he COULD be godfather etc, as he himself mentioned once). Claims to have given an item to Funkfreed, but asked for it to be neither confirmed nor denied. Probably a bluff to draw a mafia kill.

Keimi: One of my main suspects. For reasons I can't recall she felt off on Day 1, then Aphelandra took interest in my suspicion of her. Also went quite inactive, sometimes showing up to make fluff posts then disappear the rest of the day.

Laki: I have a kind of hard time reading Laki, but leaning toward the townie side for now? She answered my question directed at Gan Fall (which I didn't like), and for some reason used that to somewhat suspect me despite my methods being the same as Sandersonia's. Which made me doubt her a bit. But conversely, she did answer my question correctly, so that gives her town points too?

Merry: Of the active players, the hardest for me to read right now. Hence someone I want to review closely. Sometimes has good, productive posts, other times has driven me up the wall by misunderstanding points or focusing on the wrong thing. So yeah, probably my number-one choice for pro-active mafia.

Ohm: I was never a huge fan of his posts or his mysterious method of claiming (and making a mistake, no less). I'm not sure I've ever felt he contributed much. Normally I'd be pretty suspicious of him, but his ability seems townie-aligned and a weird one to make up. Considering we ended up having 2 players who could change alignment mid-game, it makes sense to me that someone has an ability that can report on the alignment counts, and this is something he couldn't possibly have known at the time he claimed. That leads me to believe him. What remains to be answered is how his power works, since he reported on Day 1. Is it a passive ability that updates daily? Or what? I want him to claim properly now, especially since I doubt his power will be of any use anymore after he clarifies the current status.

Porsche: Was highly inactive for a long time, and posted a couple of good analyses but has yet to really build any cases against people other than suspecting Aphelandra the day before her lynch. Honestly I don't feel I can read her that well at the moment, and I could see her as one of the semi-lurker mafia.

Richie: Our only other resident vanilla-claimer so far, he skirts the line of lurker and I don't have a great read on him. I liked his responses to my spontaneous accusations Day 4, but it remains that he was quick to believe Aphelandra and has not really posted or scum hunted much, that I recall. He would be one of my main choices for mafia semi-lurker along with Porsche.

Toto: Why is this guy still alive? I mean, seriously. He should have been offed days ago.

Just based on activity levels I could see the mafia being someone active, someone less active, and someone borderline-non-existent. So without actually examining any player interactions or vote patterns, based on that I could see scum teams such as Merry-Richie-Keimi or Haredas-Porsche-Elizabello, for example.

As for roles, does anybody think mass claiming would be useful in the near future? Considering we don't have a single person coming forward with stuff like tracker/cop reports, and we haven't had a single night with zero deaths, I'm wondering if we even have power roles left. But I don't know. Also of note is that if we have 3 remaining mafia, then we only have leeway for 2 mislynches right now. That's actually not too much wiggle room despite how well we've done so far.
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This is what I was waiting for. I agree with at least 2 mafia
Toto
Oct 10 2016, 03:16 AM
I definitely want to hear from Ohm again, but we've really reached a point where we should stop bringing up the silencer. It was probably one-shot or didn't exist. We haven't had anyone say they were silenced after Inazuma, which means otherwise the mafia would have to be perpetually silencing the same person (or they'd have to be planning their kills a day in advance and only silencing people they're going to kill, i.e. Charlotte was silenced Night 3 then killed Night 4). But I don't know why I'm even bothering to list these possibilities; it's kind of a waste of time if you ask me. That said if I don't post a single time in an entire Day, assume that something is definitely up.
Not talking about silencing but I would really like to get answers on Ohm's "power" also I am pretty much ignoring the chance of a silencer but likewise if I don't post at all you know something is up.

Toto
Oct 10 2016, 03:16 AM
Haredas
Oct 9 2016, 10:23 PM
Toto: Pushed real hard for a Johnny/Inazuma lynch on day 1. It feels like he is determined to see lynches for the sake of lynches, placing more importance on reducing the number of players than the number of mafia. Also said he didn’t want to discuss future lynches yesterday because he wanted to not lay his cards on the table when we have an obvious lynch. I am not asking for a claim or anything but wanting to build a future case seems suspicious.

I definitely think lynching is better than not lynching, but that doesn't mean I'm not trying to lynch actual mafia above all else. That should be sort of obvious given my actions so far. At any rate I didn't want to discuss future lynches (or rank players' suspiciousness) because I was already way too concerned about being able to achieve the current handed-on-a-silver-platter lynch. Activity levels were dangerously low. And also, I didn't want to prematurely tip anyone off about my thoughts on them/others when it wouldn't affect the current day. I did decide to throw in my affirmation of suspicions of Keimi, mostly because if I had died during the night she was the one player I felt strongly enough about to want others to pursue later.
my view: state what I think/know before nightfall incase I don't make it to the next day.


Toto
Oct 10 2016, 03:16 AM
But for now I'll jot down some thoughts (in alphabetical order, not in order of suspicion). This is entirely from memory right now.

Dorry: Super-confirmed town at this point. Would be the obvious next mafia target if the mafia ever went for obvious kills. So far I think they haven't.

Elizabello: Pretty suspicious to me right now. One of the few players to not claim in any shape or form, very hesitant to vote, and his arguments have never seemed focused to me. Not much real scum hunting, either.

valid points

Toto
Oct 10 2016, 03:16 AM
Haredas: Has always steered conversation in useful directions, and has always had some kind of insight I've found useful. But until prodded today, really never DID take heavy stances, which concerned me. Of the people I have no good read on, he's feeling more townie than not. But one thing that continues to bother me is that he was the first to point out BOTH scum slips (Gan Fall's color confusion and Aphelandra's townie typo), and yet in neither case did he actually call out the behavior as scummy. That's casting some serious doubt of his alignment for me.

You win the prize! I was actually wondering who would be the one to point this out. Might as well fess up: I did that intentionally. I am crafty and wanted to gauge how everyone reacted to the scum slips without me starting the wagon. It gave me lots of info. Judge my actions how you see fit but I got exactly what I wanted out of them.

Toto
Oct 10 2016, 03:16 AM
Johnny: Confirmed townie, even if not as much as Dorry (he COULD be godfather etc, as he himself mentioned once). Claims to have given an item to Funkfreed, but asked for it to be neither confirmed nor denied. Probably a bluff to draw a mafia kill.

Keimi: One of my main suspects. For reasons I can't recall she felt off on Day 1, then Aphelandra took interest in my suspicion of her. Also went quite inactive, sometimes showing up to make fluff posts then disappear the rest of the day.

Laki: I have a kind of hard time reading Laki, but leaning toward the townie side for now? She answered my question directed at Gan Fall (which I didn't like), and for some reason used that to somewhat suspect me despite my methods being the same as Sandersonia's. Which made me doubt her a bit. But conversely, she did answer my question correctly, so that gives her town points too?

Merry: Of the active players, the hardest for me to read right now. Hence someone I want to review closely. Sometimes has good, productive posts, other times has driven me up the wall by misunderstanding points or focusing on the wrong thing. So yeah, probably my number-one choice for pro-active mafia.

Ohm: I was never a huge fan of his posts or his mysterious method of claiming (and making a mistake, no less). I'm not sure I've ever felt he contributed much. Normally I'd be pretty suspicious of him, but his ability seems townie-aligned and a weird one to make up. Considering we ended up having 2 players who could change alignment mid-game, it makes sense to me that someone has an ability that can report on the alignment counts, and this is something he couldn't possibly have known at the time he claimed. That leads me to believe him. What remains to be answered is how his power works, since he reported on Day 1. Is it a passive ability that updates daily? Or what? I want him to claim properly now, especially since I doubt his power will be of any use anymore after he clarifies the current status.
I see we are on the same page.

Toto
Oct 10 2016, 03:16 AM
Porsche: Was highly inactive for a long time, and posted a couple of good analyses but has yet to really build any cases against people other than suspecting Aphelandra the day before her lynch. Honestly I don't feel I can read her that well at the moment, and I could see her as one of the semi-lurker mafia.

Richie: Our only other resident vanilla-claimer so far, he skirts the line of lurker and I don't have a great read on him. I liked his responses to my spontaneous accusations Day 4, but it remains that he was quick to believe Aphelandra and has not really posted or scum hunted much, that I recall. He would be one of my main choices for mafia semi-lurker along with Porsche.

Toto: Why is this guy still alive? I mean, seriously. He should have been offed days ago.

Toto is still alive because that Haredas fellow enjoys his company too much.

Toto
Oct 10 2016, 03:16 AM
Just based on activity levels I could see the mafia being someone active, someone less active, and someone borderline-non-existent. So without actually examining any player interactions or vote patterns, based on that I could see scum teams such as Merry-Richie-Keimi or Haredas-Porsche-Elizabello, for example.

As for roles, does anybody think mass claiming would be useful in the near future? Considering we don't have a single person coming forward with stuff like tracker/cop reports, and we haven't had a single night with zero deaths, I'm wondering if we even have power roles left. But I don't know. Also of note is that if we have 3 remaining mafia, then we only have leeway for 2 mislynches right now. That's actually not too much wiggle room despite how well we've done so far.
Depending on what Ohm says/doesn't say this is pretty spot on. which is why I am in no rush to vote yet

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I do wonder why I'm still alive as much as I wonder why everyone else, minus Dorry and Johnny, is still alive.

Haredas
Oct 10 2016, 03:08 AM

ohh day 4 ok.
Well a few factors

  • I like to lynch late in the day so I can prolong discussion.
  • I felt like I really didn't need to say anything else about Aphelandra her fate was already set.
  • I honestly was not sure what your point was with your 2nd post since I basically said 'Wow I was right about funkfreed knowing there could be an extra death because of his ability but I did not expect it would play out that HE would die from investigating Aphelandra' and you linked a funkfreed post I was honestly confused why you were asking about funkfreed if you said "yo why didn't you vote lynch" I would have said I would do it later in the day
  • I was going to vote for aphelandra first thing in the morning but her self hammer blocked me from doing so. It made me quite upset TBH


I honestly did not think your second post was explaining your first because honestly I did not think we needed any explanation after Funkfreed handed us our next lynch on a silver plate.


To clarify, my 2nd post on Day 4 had nothing to do with you so when you asked was it directed at you it really confused me. My 2nd post was simply to point out the obviousness of my vote and Aphelandra's guilt. I just found it peculiar you didn't mention her until the next day (real life day from October 6th to the 7th).
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Well I thought this day had started out well, but now it's really petered out.

Elizabello, your posts are sorely needed, especially if you are town and/or intend to remain alive. We can't have continued complete silence. What do you think of the analyses so far? Why were you always so hesitant to vote (and only eventually did so to hammer a 3rd Party)? Who do you suspect?

Ohm, your posts are sorely needed, especially if you are town and/or intend to remain alive. We can't have continued complete silence. In particular, please update us on your ability and the current status. Any other opinions and suspects would also be great.

Johnny, you are practically a confirmed town so your input is invaluable. Say stuff!

Dorry, you are ultra-confirmed town, so your input is invaluable. Any input other than on Ohm? Did you and Brulee discuss or plan anything interesting that you want to share?

Richie
Oct 9 2016, 10:44 PM
I have a question to some players who maybe have some more experience than I have: is it possible that the mafia members can converse during the day or that they could have talked between Day 0 and Day 1? And if yes, how likely is it, because that surely would change my viewpoint on a few things.

I forgot to comment on this before while making my massive post, silly senile me, oh ho. In my experience it is fairly uncommon, but not unheard of, for mafia to be able to talk during the day. It is fairly common for mafia to be able to talk (or at least know who their buddies are) before the game starts. Please elaborate on your views or theories, and speak more about suspects and the current situation.

I haven't been able to do my re-read yet, but I will definitely have something well before the day ends. But for now I feel the need to at least stoke the fire a bit so:

Vote Lynch: Keimi
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*wakes up* wha... oh, right, it's daytime~

With 11 players left, it takes 6 to lynch.

Keimi (2): Laki, Toto

Not voting (9): Dorry, Elizabello II, Haredas, Johnny, Keimi, Merry, Ohm, Porsche, Richie.

31 hours left, more or less~
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