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Day 6 - Stay Vigilant
Topic Started: Oct 12 2016, 04:31 PM (2,105 Views)
Elizabello II
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Ah, your logic makes sense though it's based on you not being a bomb in the second case which means you also shouldn't be in the first case. Basically it makes sense if we accept that one of you is the bomb and the other isn't.
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If Merry is willing to die first he either has mad guts as a mafia or is town.
I got enough info to be happy:

This one is for Johnny!

Vote Lynch: Richie
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Elizabello II
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Either way, what about the other players. Who would be Richie's scumbuddy?
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Elizabello II
Oct 13 2016, 03:10 AM
Ah, your logic makes sense though it's based on you not being a bomb in the second case which means you also shouldn't be in the first case. Basically it makes sense if we accept that one of you is the bomb and the other isn't.
exactly. If Merry flipped bomb I would be proved wrong. If he flipped something besides bomb it would prove me right.
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Haredas
Oct 13 2016, 03:05 AM
only if everyone is dead set on taking us out. Like I said I think richie is more likely at this point and have warned town that killing me is bad. I think at this point you clearly just jumped the gun. Why not try hunting the actual mafia before we both go down in a blaze of glory? If we get no other leads we can handle this like gentlemen and both keep our word to die.


I need to sleep on that. It's not like Richie is above my suspicion but I'm nervous about letting you go. I would also like Laki's input into the whole discussion.

And it can't be stated enough that Ohm needs to get on here.
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So many posts~

With 9 players left, it takes 5 to lynch.

Ohm (1): Elizabello II
Haredas (2): Merry, Toto
Richie (1): Haredas

Not voting (5): Dorry, Laki, Ohm, Porsche, Richie.

Let me know if I missed something, skimmed a ton of pages.

About 37 hours left~
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Elizabello II
Oct 13 2016, 03:13 AM
Either way, what about the other players. Who would be Richie's scumbuddy?
Honestly I am not 100% sure I previously said if richie flips mafia Porsche's chances of being mafia go up.

Richie/Porsche seems most likely but I would have to re-re-read and see
after todays events I think
Richie / Laki
Richie / Merry
and possibly
Richie / Elizabello

I highly doubt Richie / Toto

at this point Toto and richie are unlikely to be on the same team. Unless Toto is going for bussing all his teammates which would be funny.
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Make him proud guys:
http://s15.zetaboards.com/Dungeon_Crawl_Mafia/single/?p=10005964&t=10036966

seriously that post is the true treasure in this cave.
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Elizabello II
Oct 13 2016, 02:25 AM
Also, I'm not excluding the option that both Haredas and Merry are town.
I'm definitely not going to rush to vote either.

I threw it out as a joke earlier but I think a mass claim could actually be beneficial now. Thoughts?

I've come to the conclusion after consideration that there's a REALLY low chance they're both town. That would be kind of absurd to me. I'd more readily consider the possibility that they're both mafia, trying to get us to kill one and clear the other implicitly (Haredas even said if Merry flips something other than Bomb, it vindicates him, which is technically not true!).

And as much as I'd love to hear your full claim, we only have one more confirmed townie left. After that I'd rather keep the mafia guessing as to what powers the remaining townies have.

Elizabello II
Oct 13 2016, 02:27 AM
Is voting Richie based of Johnny's case yesterday or are there additional aspects that make you consider him?

To be brief, other than re-examining Johnny's case and seeing that he does have some good points, I also feel upon a specific review of Richie that he's a follower, not a doer. He almost always latches on to other ideas/wagons, sometimes not not even voting for the person he declared suspicious, and yeah. Very cautious play, in my opinion, except the time he believed Aphelandra so easily. But I don't want to go into detail because I decided I don't want to push that lynch today.

Haredas
Oct 13 2016, 02:47 AM
Also I would rather be shot than lynched if that matters any. Lynch Merry Shoot Haredas.
I want to be able to go out like a champ.

<_<


Anyway, my main conclusion is to lynch Haredas or Merry. If I'm honest, based on today's behavior alone, I think Merry has been more solid. But there are still many problems. He keeps missing points, such as the Vanilla Town vs. Vanilla Townie thing flying way over his head despite Haredas explicitly spelling it out (how is that even possible?). And moreover, what made him suddenly jump to Vanilla Townie claim conclusions? It's bizarre. By his own admission he missed the actual Bomb clues, but jumped straight to that conclusion, which is also weird, and I agree with the possibility that he could have been afraid of Haredas and tried to get him to claim/get lynched in a risky ploy to remove a troublesome role. Risky, as it has a very high chance of getting him killed immediately afterward, but considering he was already listed as the top suspect by both me AND Haredas on Day 5, he could have just gone for it. Plus he claimed after the existence of a gun was made known, so it would possibly ward off night bullets at least for one night. Minor detail: he keeps referring to Gan Fall as the Suicide Bomber even though the flip only said Bomber.

Now Haredas definitely feels very touchy and defensive; sorry Haredas but you do. Very mocking and dismissive too. It may seem absurd to you but not to the rest of us, apparently. I really still think your argument for why you claimed Day 5 is quite weak, and your arguments about being vague seem questionable at best. You blame Merry for possibly calling your bluff when it probably does make sense to pursue a Bomb claim if you yourself are Bomb. Now the last issue I have, apparently you went from Merry being one of your top suspects to now "probably just bad town," which is an odd shift, especially since you're still advocating we lynch him (before or after you). Sounds like you want to still be able to defend yourself if he flips town, but I don't think you both are.

Both of them are actually willing to die first, as long as they are avenged after, so that's not going to be a deciding distinction but right now I welcome that. Lynch one today, and if we get it wrong do the other tomorrow. I do NOT advocate shooting the other at night because that seems risky. Especially if Haredas is actually immune to night kills or something. But what Haredas has going for him objectively is the "I had a blast" crumbs from Day 1. Unless he had the incredible foresight to plant those crumbs preemptively for later use, that gives him some solid credit. And if he did do that and is mafia, I don't see why Day 5 was a day he felt he had to hurriedly make fake threats right before the close of the day. Doesn't sound like Haredas. Plus he had no guarantees he would bait out a real Bomb. Occam's Razor says he's more likely telling the truth.

So basically, I'm going to vote for the person who was already one of my major suspects coming into the day. I'll vote the other one tomorrow if we get this one wrong.

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Vote Lynch: Merry
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With 9 players left, it takes 5 to lynch.

Ohm (1): Elizabello II
Haredas (1): Merry
Richie (1): Haredas
Merry (1): Toto

Not voting (5): Dorry, Laki, Ohm, Porsche, Richie.

A bit over 33 hours left~
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