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| Merry | Oct 13 2016, 07:16 PM Post #131 |
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If you all want to pursue me Today go ahead or if you all want to pursue someone else, go ahead, but I'm not comfortable with changing my vote. In the end though, no matter what happens, there has to a consensus on something. There are too many wagons and Town is too split up. -------- Let's get this done at least. Are we still voting for who the receiver of the gun should shoot? If so then my vote on who should be shot is Ohm. He has been absent for too long, he's not contributing to any of the discussion, and he's becoming a distraction now. |
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| Elizabello II | Oct 13 2016, 07:19 PM Post #132 |
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Gosh, somebody's happy today. Read Johnny's wrote-up again. Under D he says he also suspects Richie because there is no confirmed vanilla townie and the only other vanilla townie claim was aphelandra. Well looking at keimi that is no longer true. By decisive I mean that I think it's important not to waste our lynch today because we either already are in the final stage or really close to it. |
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| Toto | Oct 13 2016, 07:21 PM Post #133 |
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Not that I would normally expect anyone to vote for themselves, but let me give you a hypothetical. If you're at L-1 and the day is ending and nobody's coming forward to vote you, do you let the day end in a no-lynch or do you hammer? Also I definitely would expect you to change your vote if for some annoying reason the town decides to lynch someone else. Shooting Ohm is kind of the "safe" choice because he's being useless, but it only makes sense if we have the numbers. And there's like a 90% chance he's a townie so I can't say I'm enthusiastic about that course of action, but it's definitely gone through my mind. |
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| Toto | Oct 13 2016, 07:26 PM Post #134 |
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I guess if you think his point was "there are no Vanilla Townies." But he was talking about the situation at the time of the claim, not the present. I take it as "the people who are claiming all claim actual roles, and the one person who DID claim Vanilla was scum, so Richie's vanilla claim to back her up is also somewhat scummy." |
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| Merry | Oct 13 2016, 07:46 PM Post #135 |
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What!? No, I wouldn't vote lynch myself. If you all truly want to confirm me as a Townie then you all should lynch me but I don't need confirmation from myself that I'm a Townie. I know I'm a Townie! I'm not going to prove that to you all by killing myself. If you all want to lynch me that's different but I'm not going to purposefully waste a lynch on a confirmed Townie to satisfy curiosity. |
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| Richie | Oct 13 2016, 07:56 PM Post #136 |
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Replace silencer with Ohm and you've got the same situation, if this keeps up. And this wasn't a conspiracy theory, this was basically me saing that we should take voting now seriously. Not haphazardly lynching one of the two "bombs" on a whim, while saying "oh, if he's town, we can deal with the other one later". Sadly, throughout the game both flew under my radar more or less. Haredas' "blast" comments are his saving grace here, but some of his actions to day still make him stand out far more to me. And maybe he just didn't expect to have another bomb in this game (I actually never heard of this role before tbh, is it common?). Merry counter-claimed him, but Haredas says that he believes that he is just a bad town player. I don't see how you could come to this conclusion, why would Merry counter-claim a role he doesn't have as a townie? Maybe he doesn't want him lynched today, because his flip would show who the real liar is. Mislynching me could still be explained, mislynching the role youself claim isn't. Sure, if he is the one I suspect more. |
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| Richie | Oct 13 2016, 08:33 PM Post #137 |
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Regarding the gunner: Shoot either Ohm (his silence is a liability to town), me (the suspicion on me is one as well) or someone you find the scummiest (which is either Toto, Laki or Porsche). Dorry is out of the equation of being shot (except if the gun is in the mafia's hand :S). And I wouldn't shoot Merry or Haredas, except if one of them turns out to be the bomb via lynch. |
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| Porsche | Oct 13 2016, 08:36 PM Post #138 |
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So, I've read everything and tried to make some decisions for myself. The Haredas vs Merry case seems like it's not clear-cut. There was a lot of very loud bickering between the two, and in the end both of them seem prepared to die to prove that they are right. If I have to choose between those two, my vote would go towards Merry. Partly because of earlier occurences (some of which I mentioned yesterday in my last post), partly because of the nature of his claim and the way he defends it (* and **), partly because of my intuition (**). (*) He is the one counterclaiming. In any other case this would be townlike, but we're talking about a Bomb. Mafia can't kill a Bomb, because it'll blow up in their face both literally and figuratively. So when a player claims Bomb, the Mafia wants to get them lynched. So maybe the Mafia decided to take a gambit and counterclaim Bomb, hoping to get the actual Bomb lynched. It is very risky, because naturally the cc'er gets lynched after the real Bomb flips, but it has the advantage to Mafia that they got the Bomb out of the way and bought themselves another Night with the extra member (who possibly has a power role). (**) Then there's the way he counterclaims. He apparently deduced enough from Haredas taunting and breadcrumbing yesterday to assume he claimed Bomb, and assuming Merry is a Bomb himself, took it immediately as a sign that Haredas was lying scum. Why did he get so aggressive? If I saw someone claim my own - uncommon - role before me, I would be confused before anything else. Especially since Haredas didn't full-out claim. We've had a whacky set of roles so far, there could have been a possibility that there simply existed two similar roles. It just doesn't sit right with me that Merry immediately assumed Haredas was scum for softclaiming a role that was similar to his. Now let's look at Haredas' claim, which came first. He explained, if I understood correctly, that he wanted to bait the Mafia into killing him, to protect the confirmed Townies. This is a wild idea but something about his character makes me believe he actually believed this could work. And he has the D1 breadcrumb speaking in his favour. All in all I am in favour of a Merry lynch. He has been pretty high on my suspect list and now this. We've been doing okay with lynching, I assume we're not (nearly) at MYLO. And even if we go for a different lynch subject, this issue is going to come back as long as both are alive, so we need to get it out of the way at this point. The possibility that both players are Town seems nonexistent now; they both claim the exact same role and with all the killing roles that are confirmed, having two Bombs seems way overpowered to me. But I want to add that I feel like I am being distracted by a big shiny explosion here. If one of them is Mafia, then the whole claim/counterclaim was obviously staged. Okay if Haredas is the Mafia here and just wanted to claim to scare people off, then the situation might have gotten out of hand from his perspective - he probably didn't expect to be counterclaimed. But if Merry's Mafia, then he very willingly planned to counterclaim Haredas, with a reason. The obvious reason of course getting the Bomb out of the way, but he's putting himself in the spotlight way too much, especially for a player who wasn't that highly suspected. I have a hard time pinpointing the feeling, but I feel like if Mafia is Merry, they might want us to lynch him. I don't know. Like I said I want to get this out of the way, but I also kinda don't want to play into Mafia's cards. But that feeling is mostly based on gut feeling, and acting upon it would mean finding a different Mafia player (than Merry) today. I'm not convinced about the Richie wagon. People always seem to forget that innocent ≠ right. Just because Johnny was after him, doesn't mean Richie is scum. He also feels like another easy lynch, like Keimi was. I've been rereading his posts and he actually doesn't come across as very suspicious to me. I am getting weird vibes from Toto and Elizabello. The way they seem to steer the action of today, and go along with things, irks me. They're probably not scumbuddies, but either of them could very well be imo. Especially Toto. He's an active player who's keen on scumhunting, so I find it very hard to believe that he would lynch the most obvious option each time. He's also been very non-commital about things, again, uncharacteristic for him. I'll elaborate later, I have to go now again. |
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| Porsche | Oct 13 2016, 08:39 PM Post #139 |
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Apologies for dropping a big post and then leaving btw ;). But I'll be around. |
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| Porsche | Oct 13 2016, 08:40 PM Post #140 |
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And about the gun, I would put off using it for now alltogether. The whole Merry/Haredas situation is too vague right now and there is no point killing both of them. If we mislynch, we get another chance tomorrow, if we lynch right, we might want to revise who we want to use the extra kill on. |
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