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Topic Started: Oct 12 2016, 04:31 PM (2,102 Views)
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Merry
Oct 13 2016, 07:46 PM
What!? No, I wouldn't vote lynch myself. If you all truly want to confirm me as a Townie then you all should lynch me but I don't need confirmation from myself that I'm a Townie. I know I'm a Townie! I'm not going to prove that to you all by killing myself. If you all want to lynch me that's different but I'm not going to purposefully waste a lynch on a confirmed Townie to satisfy curiosity.

Great. So your death, if you flipped town, would virtually guarantee that the next day we lynch Scummedas. You even volunteer yourself to be lynched first. But not if you have to hammer. You'd rather keep yourself alive and put us one townie short in the exact same position as the day before. This is where that "scum or bad townie" accusation starts to gain traction.

Richie
Oct 13 2016, 07:56 PM
Replace silencer with Ohm and you've got the same situation, if this keeps up. And this wasn't a conspiracy theory, this was basically me saing that we should take voting now seriously. Not haphazardly lynching one of the two "bombs" on a whim, while saying "oh, if he's town, we can deal with the other one later".

Acknowledging even the possibility of a Silencer is a conspiracy theory at this point, and I repeat, the bomb situation does not impact the town negatively in terms of accelerated loss. Yes Ohm is going to be a liability eventually. But implying that this bomb situation is "lynching on a whim" is off-base. Or tell me, do you earnestly think they are both town at this point?

Richie
Oct 13 2016, 07:56 PM
Sadly, throughout the game both flew under my radar more or less. Haredas' "blast" comments are his saving grace here, but some of his actions to day still make him stand out far more to me. And maybe he just didn't expect to have another bomb in this game (I actually never heard of this role before tbh, is it common?).

Well you can start by re-reading as I've been asking people to do? At the very least look through my past accusations against him and his responses, or review his post/activity history. NOT doing this would make YOUR vote rather whimsical.

Richie
Oct 13 2016, 07:56 PM
Merry counter-claimed him, but Haredas says that he believes that he is just a bad town player. I don't see how you could come to this conclusion, why would Merry counter-claim a role he doesn't have as a townie? Maybe he doesn't want him lynched today, because his flip would show who the real liar is. Mislynching me could still be explained, mislynching the role youself claim isn't.

I agree with you here, which is why I pointed out that I don't get why Haredas is calling him a likely/possible bad townie in light of everything, and still wanting him lynched. Haredas isn't above suspicion.

Richie
Oct 13 2016, 08:33 PM
Regarding the gunner:

Shoot either Ohm (his silence is a liability to town), me (the suspicion on me is one as well) or someone you find the scummiest (which is either Toto, Laki or Porsche). Dorry is out of the equation of being shot (except if the gun is in the mafia's hand :S). And I wouldn't shoot Merry or Haredas, except if one of them turns out to be the bomb via lynch.

Elizabello is notoriously missing from your list. Is he your scum buddy? :P

Porsche
Oct 13 2016, 08:36 PM
He's also been very non-commital about things, again, uncharacteristic for him.

Maybe because until Day 5, the lynch targets were all incredibly obvious. Now I have to deal with a gigantic mess of a town where I can't tell what's scummy vs. what's just dumb.
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I hope half an hour is not too long to wait for me I have to do some stuff but will be back with full details about my crazy mind.
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Toto
Oct 13 2016, 07:07 AM

Haredas
Oct 13 2016, 02:47 AM
Also I would rather be shot than lynched if that matters any. Lynch Merry Shoot Haredas.
I want to be able to go out like a champ.

<_<

Now Haredas definitely feels very touchy and defensive; sorry Haredas but you do. Very mocking and dismissive too. It may seem absurd to you but not to the rest of us, apparently.
The biggest draw back to talking view text. You can't hear my tone and find it that I am extremely chill. I do admit I was mocking towads merry because I honestly can't figure out if he is really bad town or just decent mafia pretending to be bad town.

Toto
Oct 13 2016, 07:07 AM
Both of them are actually willing to die first, as long as they are avenged after, so that's not going to be a deciding distinction but right now I welcome that. Lynch one today, and if we get it wrong do the other tomorrow. I do NOT advocate shooting the other at night because that seems risky. Especially if Haredas is actually immune to night kills or something. But what Haredas has going for him objectively is the "I had a blast" crumbs from Day 1. Unless he had the incredible foresight to plant those crumbs preemptively for later use, that gives him some solid credit. And if he did do that and is mafia, I don't see why Day 5 was a day he felt he had to hurriedly make fake threats right before the close of the day. Doesn't sound like Haredas. Plus he had no guarantees he would bait out a real Bomb. Occam's Razor says he's more likely telling the truth.
:) This post makes me satisfied if I have gained that kind of reputation I am content with whatever the outcome is.
I advocate shooting me if Merry flips bomb because I really don't think he is bomb. Shooting me is actually super safe.

Richie
Oct 13 2016, 11:10 AM
Your next line is: "This seems like OMGUS to me."
If this was a JoJo quote nice one. But your post doesn't seem like OMGUS you are pretty calm and a cool guy.


Richie
Oct 13 2016, 11:10 AM
All in all, Merry acted way calmer today. Haredas just seemed mocking and condescending towards other players...which to me comes off as a desperate mafia. Sorry, if I am off here.
no problem I mainly suspect you because you believe Aphelandra. I do admit I was condescending I believe only towards Merry because it is almost like he is purposefully misunderstanding things and just wanting to not pick up on hints.

Elizabello II
Oct 13 2016, 02:01 PM
Also, isn't point D of Johnny's write up kinda moot after Keimi's flip? We do have proof the vanilla townies are not myths, don't we. Or is it now unlikely that there are two of them and Keimi was the last unicorn, eh, mermaid, eh, vanilla in the game. Just trying to understand the motivation to lynch Richie better. Also, not really convinced by point A but maybe somebody can explain that to me. Not going to argue points B and C. I consider them valid interpretations of what happened. They are not the only possible explanations but they are possible explanations. Also, Haredas, could you add any additional points to that list based on Richie's behavior over the last two days?
TBH I linked Johnny's post because of all the alliteration he used. I got a kick out of it. I will add more later once I finish other stuff.


Elizabello II
Oct 13 2016, 01:51 PM
Haredas, I just want to make certain, are you still claiming bomb?

Well....
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Oct 13 2016, 04:24 PM
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Toto
Oct 13 2016, 06:43 PM
Elizabello II
Oct 13 2016, 01:51 PM
Haredas, I just want to make certain, are you still claiming bomb?

I don't want to answer for him, but I will say this. If he's a townie and he was bluffing, I sure as hell would hope he'd come clean about it. Otherwise he's just leading the town in destructive circles because the real bomb could have easily counter-claimed (whether or not you think that's stupid). Hence my conclusion that one of the two is almost certainly mafia.
Nope :p
Confession time (part1)

Despite being a vanilla townie I was secretly the banana all along!
incase this flies over anyone's head: Check the title of the link and compare with the list of players in the AP thread. I have been sitting on this joke all game.
I am Haredas the Vanilla Townie
I will explain in a bit (confession time to be continued)


Toto
Oct 13 2016, 07:21 PM
Merry
Oct 13 2016, 07:16 PM
If you all want to pursue me Today go ahead or if you all want to pursue someone else, go ahead, but I'm not comfortable with changing my vote. In the end though, no matter what happens, there has to a consensus on something. There are too many wagons and Town is too split up.

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Let's get this done at least.

Are we still voting for who the receiver of the gun should shoot? If so then my vote on who should be shot is Ohm. He has been absent for too long, he's not contributing to any of the discussion, and he's becoming a distraction now.

Not that I would normally expect anyone to vote for themselves, but let me give you a hypothetical. If you're at L-1 and the day is ending and nobody's coming forward to vote you, do you let the day end in a no-lynch or do you hammer?

Also I definitely would expect you to change your vote if for some annoying reason the town decides to lynch someone else.

Shooting Ohm is kind of the "safe" choice because he's being useless, but it only makes sense if we have the numbers. And there's like a 90% chance he's a townie so I can't say I'm enthusiastic about that course of action, but it's definitely gone through my mind.
a) I am super pro town if you guys want me to self hammer I will. But only if asked because I am not going to be a dick and stop anyone from posting.
b) I say if you want to lynch Merry and me, shoot me if he turns out to be bad town. I don't believe he is the bomb.
c) Shooting Ohm is stupid and a waste shooting me (if you want to get rid of me) saves you a lynch to catch actual mafia.

Porsche
Oct 13 2016, 08:36 PM
So, I've read everything and tried to make some decisions for myself.

The Haredas vs Merry case seems like it's not clear-cut. There was a lot of very loud bickering between the two, and in the end both of them seem prepared to die to prove that they are right.
If I have to choose between those two, my vote would go towards Merry. Partly because of earlier occurences (some of which I mentioned yesterday in my last post), partly because of the nature of his claim and the way he defends it (* and **), partly because of my intuition (**).
(*) He is the one counterclaiming. In any other case this would be townlike, but we're talking about a Bomb. Mafia can't kill a Bomb, because it'll blow up in their face both literally and figuratively. So when a player claims Bomb, the Mafia wants to get them lynched.
This was a major part of my plan more on that in a bit

Porsche
Oct 13 2016, 08:36 PM
(**) Then there's the way he counterclaims. He apparently deduced enough from Haredas taunting and breadcrumbing yesterday to assume he claimed Bomb, and assuming Merry is a Bomb himself, took it immediately as a sign that Haredas was lying scum. Why did he get so aggressive? If I saw someone claim my own - uncommon - role before me, I would be confused before anything else. Especially since Haredas didn't full-out claim. We've had a whacky set of roles so far, there could have been a possibility that there simply existed two similar roles. It just doesn't sit right with me that Merry immediately assumed Haredas was scum for softclaiming a role that was similar to his.
This is the main reason why I "egged him on" yesterday because my first idea was that how he reacted made him obvious scum but when he kept going on and on I thought "Maybe he is just some kind of really bad town trying some crazy bluff because he somehow actually thinks I am mafia" and just felt the whole thing was ridiculous

Porsche
Oct 13 2016, 08:36 PM
Now let's look at Haredas' claim, which came first. He explained, if I understood correctly, that he wanted to bait the Mafia into killing him, to protect the confirmed Townies. This is a wild idea but something about his character makes me believe he actually believed this could work. And he has the D1 breadcrumb speaking in his favour.]
I will get to this in confession time part 2 :)


Porsche
Oct 13 2016, 08:36 PM
I'm not convinced about the Richie wagon. People always seem to forget that innocent ≠ right. Just because Johnny was after him, doesn't mean Richie is scum. He also feels like another easy lynch, like Keimi was. I've been rereading his posts and he actually doesn't come across as very suspicious to me.
see my above reason for linking Johnny.


Toto
Oct 13 2016, 09:09 PM
Richie
Oct 13 2016, 07:56 PM
Merry counter-claimed him, but Haredas says that he believes that he is just a bad town player. I don't see how you could come to this conclusion, why would Merry counter-claim a role he doesn't have as a townie? Maybe he doesn't want him lynched today, because his flip would show who the real liar is. Mislynching me could still be explained, mislynching the role youself claim isn't.

I agree with you here, which is why I pointed out that I don't get why Haredas is calling him a likely/possible bad townie in light of everything, and still wanting him lynched. Haredas isn't above suspicion.
No main reason why I am not pushing for a merry lynch is because I don't want anyone to think I am being OMGUS.
if you lynch merry and he somehow turns out to be a bomb shoot me but I am 100% townie.

this took me longer to type than I thought part 2 in a new post.
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Confession time part 2:

First up at this point just going to say my reputation takes a high priorty full claim because I want it to be seen that I was an honest fellow in my first AP mafia game.
I can promise you I did not lie in this game.

The main factors for my rushed softclaim are that I am going to be really busy at work the next few days and after seeing how day 5 was playing out with us lynching a poor mermaid girl who I was leaning towards being town I figured I would make a risky bluff and imply I was the bomb which I had been implying the whole game. the possible outcome I saw:
a) The mafia gives in to my taunts because they seem kinda impulsive and not calculated in their killings. (Seriously why did they leave funkfreed alive so long lol?)
b) The mafia would be scared of my taunts and try to lynch me either managing to lynch me and when I flip Vanilla Townie look like the total scum they are or reveal themselves in the atempt.
I was running out of leads and did not want another failure of a day where we got convinced to lynch another townie with nothing to show for it. I figured worst case I die when I am about to get a whole lot less active and give the town some major needed clues or best case that the players I have pegged as "pros" would pick up on my insane sudden mood swap and know there is more than meets the eye ->Bam real mafia lynched.

Seriously I promise that I am a townie and my only request if you kill me is to remember Cavendish was a decent player, helped lynch two mafia members and kept his word the whole game. This game was a chance to get to know you guys and what matters to me most is that you see me for who I am.

If you want to take a gamble that I am a lying scumbag you are free to do that just when I flip town remember that I am actually a honest guy who just wants to have some fun with some internet guys. I repeat everything is true I purposefully worded my softclaim in a way so that I could imply bomb without actually lying. I am a dead-man walking now but good luck guys.


(If you make the wise choice to keep me alive and not waste your lynch I will do my best to log on at least once every 24 hours despite needing to be at my job on the weekend to finish up some big projects we have)
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It's not OMGUS when you listed Merry as a main suspect Day 5. If anything he's OMGUS? So I don't see need for hesitation if you actually want to lynch Merry.

I'm now convinced I don't want to lynch you. I don't know if you turned an honest Day 1 statement into a bluff or if you planned it all along, but the whole banana story (especially, especially with Pizarro's banana post) definitely makes me believe you for now. Although technically there's no guarantee the banana is a townie?

Now I'm not going to take my vote off Merry because he was my main suspect before and I still suspect him now, and his weird eschewing of so many big points/arguments still bothers me. But he is no longer necessarily lying about his role, either. But hey, could be a scum role too. Given that we have a weapon collector.
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Other notes:

-It would be REALLY NICE if Dorry and Laki began contributing to the game.

-If Ohm is completely AWOL from the game by the end of this Day phase, can we just please have him modkilled? Unless he's doing it on purpose, it's really messing up the game.

-The only people not to claim so far are Toto, Porsche, Laki, and "Mafia during the night" Elizabello. One of them is probably mafia.
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This was actually pretty hilarious...and I actually think that explains everything good enough to warrant me taking my vote off.

Now for me this changes everything again. If Haredas is town, then I think it's rather likely that Merry's claim is true in return as well, although not above suspicion. I will go to bed now though and I don't know when I will be able to contribute again, so I'll place a vote on someone who is definitely on the more suspicious side of things.

Vote Lynch: Elizabello

And @Toto: Nope, just forgot to list him in my last post.
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With 9 players left, it takes 5 to lynch.

Ohm (1): Elizabello II
Haredas (1): Merry
Richie (1): Haredas
Merry (1): Toto
Elizabello II (1): Richie

Not voting (4): Dorry, Laki, Ohm, Porsche.

Around 15 hours left~
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Toto
Oct 14 2016, 12:03 AM
It's not OMGUS when you listed Merry as a main suspect Day 5. If anything he's OMGUS? So I don't see need for hesitation if you actually want to lynch Merry.

I'm now convinced I don't want to lynch you. I don't know if you turned an honest Day 1 statement into a bluff or if you planned it all along, but the whole banana story (especially, especially with Pizarro's banana post) definitely makes me believe you for now. Although technically there's no guarantee the banana is a townie?

Now I'm not going to take my vote off Merry because he was my main suspect before and I still suspect him now, and his weird eschewing of so many big points/arguments still bothers me. But he is no longer necessarily lying about his role, either. But hey, could be a scum role too. Given that we have a weapon collector.
Well as long as we are clear on the fact that I find Merry suspicious for his early game play I guess it would make more sense for me to vote on something I am not solo voting for.

Toto
Oct 14 2016, 12:18 AM
Other notes:

-It would be REALLY NICE if Dorry and Laki began contributing to the game.

-If Ohm is completely AWOL from the game by the end of this Day phase, can we just please have him modkilled? Unless he's doing it on purpose, it's really messing up the game.

-The only people not to claim so far are Toto, Porsche, Laki, and "Mafia during the night" Elizabello. One of them is probably mafia.
I say we either modkill him if we can't get ahold of him or at least have somebody swap in for him if anyone over on AP is wanting to sub for him? Either way he has not shown up for a week.

Richie
Oct 14 2016, 12:28 AM
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This was actually pretty hilarious...and I actually think that explains everything good enough to warrant me taking my vote off.

Now for me this changes everything again. If Haredas is town, then I think it's rather likely that Merry's claim is true in return as well, although not above suspicion. I will go to bed now though and I don't know when I will be able to contribute again, so I'll place a vote on someone who is definitely on the more suspicious side of things.

Vote Lynch: Elizabello

And @Toto: Nope, just forgot to list him in my last post.
Well at least I will be remembered :P

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Vote Lynch: Merry
I am going to bed now, I need to get up at 4 am for work :( I will try to see if my vote is needed to fill a wagon in the morning and am willing to even hammer myself if need be. I won't have time for a post longer than just placing my vote wherever.

I still think if the town decides to kill me you should at least use Johnny's gun I want to go out standing tall with smile on my face.

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Oh boy, quite the vote situation we got here. I highly doubt the remaining four of us are going to vote for one of the targets unanimously. Someone is gonna have to recast their vote if we are going to have a lynch today.

Felt this for a while; Ohm's disappearance indicates more that he is not mafia and has just fallen off the internet

I trust Haredas enough after what's transpired today, and I do not feel inclined to lynch him now

Richie and Merry are on my radar but I'm not really confident enough to vote them

So

Vote Lynch: Elizabello II

Overall, his behavior has seemed the most scummy to me.
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