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Day 6 - Stay Vigilant
Topic Started: Oct 12 2016, 04:31 PM (2,115 Views)
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Oh, I guess gunsmith is a totally different role now that I looked it up. Kind of counter-intuitive that it's a role that just checks players for guns, not one that crafts/gives them out. But anyway, the Weapon Collector thing is what I meant.
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I'll have more time to talk later, but there's something I noticed after taking a second look that I didn't get the chance to address yesterday.

Now, first of all, I want to at least be clear that I don't totally believe in the "who's online when" as a completely reliable way of picking out Mafia. Some people who are on frequently during Night hours may, indeed, be Mafia; others, like me, may be on for other reasons (asking the mods questions, writing down thoughts/notes in Diaries, or even to see who else is online). I know that, during Night 1, I saw literally everyone else--all 18 players besides me, plus both mods--online at least one time each, and most of them I saw at least twice. It might give some ideas, but it could also be pretty misleading, so while I've been trying not to use that as a evidence. Apparently Pizarro did see it as a potential problem enough to make it a lot harder to see who's online at a given time, though.

But, one thing I do want to point out/call attention to:
Merry, Day 5
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I'm on my phone right now while my computer is on the fritz (downloading new Antivirus program) so you will see my name. Just letting you all know so that you won't think I'm caroling around the Mafia thread.
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I do leave my phone on the site all the time while at work and sleeping though, but I don't hang around the actual Day threads because then I'd be accused of lurking. Now wouldn't I?
Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding your purpose here, but if you're trying to say, "Yes, I'm online a lot, but not because I'm actually there, it's because my phone is logged onto the site 24/7", then that's not true. I have the tab with this site open constantly on my computer, and frequently on my phone too, but I don't show up as online just because I'm using my computer or have the site up on the phone. On Zetaboards, after 15 minutes of inactivity (no clicking around, no refreshing, no anything), you will no longer show up as being present online. I was already like 95% sure of that before, but I proved it last Night beyond a shadow of a doubt. If you appear as being online, at any time, that means that you've been active on the site within the past 15 minutes. (Or it could even be 10 minutes, depending on forum settings. But my test during the Night phase proved it's 15 at max.)
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Merry

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Oct 12 2016, 06:18 PM
I come online to two people wanting to vote Ohm.


Umm...I'm not that worried about Ohm right now.

*points at vote*

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Merry, I'm going to reserve judgement until you actually claim, which I guess is after Haredas posts.


I leave me no choice and my claim is not something I really ever wanted to come out with, until my death that is, but once I saw Haredas's softclaim sitting out there I'm thinking maybe it'll help us kill scum either way. Once I come out with it though it's practically useless.

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Right now it kind of looks like OMGUS and I'm curious what possible counter-claim you could have. I would also want Haredas to be as vague as possible when talking about the exact details of his power, because I don't want him to get role fished and I don't want you to have extra information to fake your claim with.


Fair enough. I'm just waiting.
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Oct 12 2016, 06:52 PM
Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding your purpose here, but if you're trying to say, "Yes, I'm online a lot, but not because I'm actually there, it's because my phone is logged onto the site 24/7", then that's not true. I have the tab with this site open constantly on my computer, and frequently on my phone too, but I don't show up as online just because I'm using my computer or have the site up on the phone. On Zetaboards, after 15 minutes of inactivity (no clicking around, no refreshing, no anything), you will no longer show up as being present online. I was already like 95% sure of that before, but I proved it last Night beyond a shadow of a doubt. If you appear as being online, at any time, that means that you've been active on the site within the past 15 minutes. (Or it could even be 10 minutes, depending on forum settings. But my test during the Night phase proved it's 15 at max.)


That's my only explanation. I'm not lurking around the Day threads. I'm not writing in my Diary because I use it very infrequently. I definitely don't have access to any special threads. If Herada's saw me around for long periods of time I thought it must've been because I left the site open on my phone at all times. Yeah, I check the threads every once in a while but not frequently enough to warrant suspicious behavior.

Are you sure that's not the case?
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The reason I vote him is because I think he's playing us. That his claimed/assumed ability is a cover up of some sort. Because if I had that assumed ability I would make sure to provide regular updates to town. That he is not active anymore doesn't help though because even if he is town then he's a town that is no longer around to vote. That makes lynching him less risky than lynching an active player that might or might not be mafia.
I really don't see it on the same level as the day 1 shenanigans of lynching anybody that doesn't post. Here the suspicion is based on the posts. The inactivity is a secondary aspect.
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Oct 12 2016, 07:12 PM
That's my only explanation. I'm not lurking around the Day threads. I'm not writing in my Diary because I use it very infrequently. I definitely don't have access to any special threads. If Herada's saw me around for long periods of time I thought it must've been because I left the site open on my phone at all times. Yeah, I check the threads every once in a while but not frequently enough to warrant suspicious behavior.

Are you sure that's not the case?
Yes, I'm absolutely positive. I was already very sure of that after becoming more familiar with Zetaboards than I ever expected to for these past few months, but I went out of my way to check during the Night 5 phase just to make sure beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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It's very interesting but also makes my stomach churn to have this discussion. It's not something that should be used as a basis. I'm glad the mods removed this feature.
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Merry
Oct 12 2016, 06:59 PM
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Oct 12 2016, 06:18 PM
I come online to two people wanting to vote Ohm.


Umm...I'm not that worried about Ohm right now.

*points at vote*

I was referring to how you said you would vote Ohm if you didn't have something against Haredas.

Elizabello II
Oct 12 2016, 07:17 PM
The reason I vote him is because I think he's playing us. That his claimed/assumed ability is a cover up of some sort. Because if I had that assumed ability I would make sure to provide regular updates to town. That he is not active anymore doesn't help though because even if he is town then he's a town that is no longer around to vote. That makes lynching him less risky than lynching an active player that might or might not be mafia.
I really don't see it on the same level as the day 1 shenanigans of lynching anybody that doesn't post. Here the suspicion is based on the posts. The inactivity is a secondary aspect.

Okay... so his grand evil scheme was to claim a really unusual ability on the very first day of the game that actually seems reasonable in hindsight, and then disappear entirely? Never once logging in that any of us noticed for the better part of a week? Ooookay. I do think it's a real issue that he's absent, but I would feel way more comfortable trying to get at least one more scum before having to go for an inactive. That might give him a bit more time to show up anyway. Though actually, if we lynch scum today and Ohm still doesn't show his face, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to someone using that gun on him.
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Oct 12 2016, 07:21 PM
Yes, I'm absolutely positive. I was already very sure of that after becoming more familiar with Zetaboards than I ever expected to for these past few months, but I went out of my way to check during the Night 5 phase just to make sure beyond a shadow of a doubt.


I believe you. I don't think you're lying but I don't know how else it could be that someone has observed me just being on Zetaboards for certain periods of time. It's not something I ever noticed.
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Has anyone seen Ohm online at all in the past few days? His dropoff definitely seems more like real life stuff instead of a mafia fadeaway.
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