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Day 6 - Stay Vigilant
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Elizabello II
Oct 12 2016, 08:33 PM
Still not telling. What I revealed yesterday was beneficial to town. Revealing anything else isn't. You can waste the day to get more votes on me and look back on another pointless townie lynch but it won't help you win the game unless you are mafia.

How do we know it's beneficial to town? You could just be trying to throw off the town's sense of how many actual mafia are left. Revealing more is, because it might make me not want to lynch you, which WOULD be bad if you're town.

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Oct 12 2016, 08:39 PM
As Merry speaks with rather certain terms, I'm also inclined to lynch Haredasu. Merry already has some good town-cred with pointing out Aphelandra on Day 2 already. Though voting now would put us at L-3 already, so I'd like to wait still.

To be honest, I wanted to lynch Porsche before I read Merry's post - but that also has to do with the Haredasu situation a bit. What I am talking about is how the last 2 days have ended: both more or less by the hands of Porsche.
As pointed out yesterday, Aphelandra self-lynched herself merely 2 minutes after Porsche's vote.
And yesterday, after my post concerning Laki it was quiet for over an hour. However, suddenly posts by Laki, Haredasu and Porsche come in one after another. During which the latter two put down the last two votes dooming Keimi. If you look over it imo it looks very coordinated. And this post of Porsche here feels like a very staged moment to throw off suspicion to me.

Thus, I see Haredasu and Porsche as very likely scum buddies.

Uhh. Okay so the Alephandra 2-minute hammer MIGHT be seen as a link to Porsche, but it also could have just been Aphelandra waiting around until anyone voted, and then hammering. The Day 5 one seems like a much weaker argument to me. The hammer wasn't for an entire hour after Haredas' vote. If anything, Porsche's freak-out about hammering would point to them LACKING coordination if they're buddies?

Elizabello II
Oct 12 2016, 08:40 PM
It's exactly that part. If he hadn't come back to update his report, you could still think it's a one time thing (that he wasted on day1). Him coming back (hesitantly) turns his report into a role-claim. Meaning it is save to assume that there wouldn't be anything else related to the role. Consequently, he could have been more open in addressing the questions and in providing reports proactively. Him not acting in such a way is what makes me suspicious. It feels more like covering up.
I literally don't understand your point. But from the beginning, when he said there is one 3rd party, he said "unless I correct myself" which leaves open the possibility of updates. Though we'll never know for sure if he doesn't post.

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Or math errors (-;
You are right that even his initial statement implied a role but his update made it more certain. Since you seem to have gotten that far I'm not sure what you are lacking to understand my point. It feels contradictory that you promote secrecy with regards to ohm who had basically fully claimed but then go and ask me for a full reveal.
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Ohm's role falls into nice to have so its fine to be open after already revealing that much.
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Promote secrecy with Ohm? I want his ass in here fully claiming. I just think if he was bluffing he somehow hit the jackpot with an incredulous claim that would not have made sense in 95% of setups, but we have multiple alignment-changing users. That leads me to at least give him the benefit of the doubt. Also, if he were mafia, why would he decide "oh let's claim there is exactly one 3rd party?" It would be easier and safer to claim there are more. Maybe have us paranoid about that while we're at it.
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I agree that lynching me is bad for town. I'm not the one voting though. You are.
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Oct 12 2016, 09:42 PM
I agree that lynching me is bad for town. I'm not the one voting though. You are.

That's because I don't believe you. If you don't want me to derail the town, then you're going to have to find some way to convince me you're a townie, but you've been acting scummy in my eyes.

But now, I do wonder where Haredas is. He's typically been around at the starts of days. And I'm anxious to see where Merry's accusation is going.
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Oct 12 2016, 09:42 PM
Promote secrecy with Ohm? I want his ass in here fully claiming. I just think if he was bluffing he somehow hit the jackpot with an incredulous claim that would not have made sense in 95% of setups, but we have multiple alignment-changing users. That leads me to at least give him the benefit of the doubt. Also, if he were mafia, why would he decide "oh let's claim there is exactly one 3rd party?" It would be easier and safer to claim there are more. Maybe have us paranoid about that while we're at it.
Basically agree with everything you say except in my scenario it was a slip rather than a play. If you at it as a play I agree that it doesn't make sense.
Look, I also don't think, ohm should not be the number 1 priority. There are plenty of aspects that could be interpreted in his favor but there are also some that shouldn't. My problem is that I struggle to identify the missing mafia. I'm hoping something will come off the Merry - Haredas situation but I hardly want to make up arguments for either side right now, do I.
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Well, I am not gonna reveal my role. I understand you'd like guarantees but you gonna have to ask for something else. If you find role claims that important then go for the mass claim. I wouldn't ask for it but you seem to be stuck on that at the moment.
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hey one sec. just got back from work and showered. thread seems pretty funny so far.
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Just killing time discussing secondary suspects till you get in.
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