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Day 6 - Stay Vigilant
Topic Started: Oct 12 2016, 04:31 PM (2,112 Views)
Merry

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Oct 12 2016, 08:18 PM
Merry, wouldn't you say catching scum is worth losing whatever edge your role gives you? Especially since it doesn't sound like you have anything else to show for 5 Days.


At this point, yeah. Which is why I'm prepared to claim as soon as I get a better read on what the heck Haredas is up to. I either caught him in the act of bluffing or a scumslip claim to excuse any reason for living through future Nights. I don't know but I need to make sure.
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Merry
Oct 12 2016, 04:56 PM
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I can assure everyone that it is in the best interest of both factions to keep me alive. Lynching me would put the mafia at an advantage, especially if there are 3 mafia remaining. However, if the mafia night kills me at this point unless the town is extremely bad and plays horrible, town will likely have an easy win. If you try to roleblock me before the kill I will have the last laugh. If the mafia reacts to these taunts and kills me they are seriously the sloppiest mafia I have seen.


Wow...lol.

I wish I had a chance to respond to this before Porsche hammered! You're either bluffing or you're Mafia. It's one or the other and that's a fact. I can assure Town I know what I'm talking about for a very specific reason here. I don't know why you might be bluffing but I know for sure if you're not bluffing and are in fact soft claiming what I think you're soft claiming...you're lying. And I know this.

Vote Lynch: Haredas

Great excuse for not dying in the Night though~

a) congratulations on making my prediction come true. It is still 100% on track.
b) *whoooooooooosh*
You are either Mafia or have some of the worst reading comprehension I have ever seen. Not trying to be mean or anything but there are loads of ways you should have been able to interpret. You have also either missed my obvious breadcrumbs or are ignoring them because you are mafia and want to lynch a townie.

Merry
Oct 12 2016, 05:09 PM
Elizabello II
Oct 12 2016, 05:06 PM
Interesting. I was wondering about that post. Do you want to explain more or wait for haredas?


I will explain more as soon as Haredas responds because that post sure as hell is screaming SCUM to me.
How so? it is 100% true not even talking about roles if the mafia killed me I would flip town and remove 1 potential suspect while 2 comfirmed townies would still be alive. I hope you can do basic math to understand what this fact means.

Toto
Oct 12 2016, 06:18 PM
Merry, I'm going to reserve judgement until you actually claim, which I guess is after Haredas posts. Right now it kind of looks like OMGUS and I'm curious what possible counter-claim you could have. I would also want Haredas to be as vague as possible when talking about the exact details of his power, because I don't want him to get role fished and I don't want you to have extra information to fake your claim with.
a) I think Merry just doesn't like me (or is mafia and is looking for an easy target and is actually scared of whatever he thinks I am soft claiming and doesn't have the guts to night kill me)
b)Since you are a logical fellow and can understand things I will do as you have requested.

My role:
-Passive
-Can not get role blocked.
-I have no daytime abilities

If I flip you will see that I am 100% right and I will laugh at Merry for a long long time.

Merry
Oct 12 2016, 06:59 PM
I leave me no choice and my claim is not something I really ever wanted to come out with, until my death that is, but once I saw Haredas's softclaim sitting out there I'm thinking maybe it'll help us kill scum either way. Once I come out with it though it's practically useless.Fair enough. I'm just waiting.
I really want to know what role you are afraid I have that you are taking this counter-claim gambit. Congrats on derailing the day though if you are not sloppy mafia I want to nominate you for the most unhelpful townie of the game.

Toto
Oct 12 2016, 08:18 PM
Today seems like it's turning into Merry vs. Haredas. At this point, unless Merry is just going off of an epic scummy misunderstanding, I'm going to assume one of the two is mafia. Even with 3 mafia alive, we have room for one more mislynch so we should catch at least one mafia between today and tomorrow. But if Elizabello is telling the truth then I'm starting to lean toward only 2 mafia.
I will leave you guys up to figuring out if Merry is just scared Mafia or just a bad townie because I don't want to fall into the same OMGUS as him.

Richie
Oct 12 2016, 08:39 PM
As Merry speaks with rather certain terms, I'm also inclined to lynch Haredasu. Merry already has some good town-cred with pointing out Aphelandra on Day 2 already. Though voting now would put us at L-3 already, so I'd like to wait still.
Whoa we have been over this before I was the first to point out Aphelandra's mistake all puppetmaster style.

Richie
Oct 12 2016, 08:39 PM
To be honest, I wanted to lynch Porsche before I read Merry's post - but that also has to do with the Haredasu situation a bit. What I am talking about is how the last 2 days have ended: both more or less by the hands of Porsche.
As pointed out yesterday, Aphelandra self-lynched herself merely 2 minutes after Porsche's vote.
And yesterday, after my post concerning Laki it was quiet for over an hour. However, suddenly posts by Laki, Haredasu and Porsche come in one after another. During which the latter two put down the last two votes dooming Keimi. If you look over it imo it looks very coordinated. And this post of Porsche here feels like a very staged moment to throw off suspicion to me.

Thus, I see Haredasu and Porsche as very likely scum buddies.
You caught me. I am conspiring with my long term employment work schedule. My plan ever since I got this job was always to have it mess up an AP mafia game's rythem (this one :ninja: ).


But seriously I figured since I was called out on being indirect on Day 5 I might as well just go full tilt and step into the spotlight I either become a martyr and help town or get to live and help town.
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Merry
Oct 12 2016, 10:23 PM
Toto
Oct 12 2016, 08:18 PM
Merry, wouldn't you say catching scum is worth losing whatever edge your role gives you? Especially since it doesn't sound like you have anything else to show for 5 Days.


At this point, yeah. Which is why I'm prepared to claim as soon as I get a better read on what the heck Haredas is up to. I either caught him in the act of bluffing or a scumslip claim to excuse any reason for living through future Nights. I don't know but I need to make sure.

or option c) You hilariously have no clue what you are talking about.

My question: Are you mafia or just bad?

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I was so obvious in my post that it would not even be a scumslip it would be an intentional scum-suicide.
which leaves us going by "merry logic" that I must be bluffing in which case what does the town possibly gain from calling this bluff? hint: nothing.
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I mean Haredas, I thought your claim was plain as day. I even tried to acknowledge it. That's why I'm wondering what Merry possibly thinks he has up his sleeve. The only thing he could possibly claim now, in my opinion, is that he tracked you visiting another player. Either way I'm not letting Merry off the hook without explaining himself.

That's not to say I don't have my own questions for you, Haredas, but I must refrain for the moment.
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Toto
Oct 12 2016, 10:44 PM
I mean Haredas, I thought your claim was plain as day. I even tried to acknowledge it. That's why I'm wondering what Merry possibly thinks he has up his sleeve. The only thing he could possibly claim now, in my opinion, is that he tracked you visiting another player. Either way I'm not letting Merry off the hook without explaining himself.

That's not to say I don't have my own questions for you, Haredas, but I must refrain for the moment.
I can't wait to find out what he has to say. I also take no issue to whatever questions you might have since I do play a rather shady townie for survival reasons but you have caught on to that already.

When it is time for you to question me I will answer to the best of my ability.

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Are we not going to talk about Keimi's flip?
There must have been Mafia on her wagon. At least one, possibly two, maybe even 3? So I'm looking at Laki, Toto, Merry and Haredas.

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Honestly, it looks like no one on Keimi's wagon actually wanted to lynch her. (I want to add here that I did.) Was the Mafia guiding the sheepish, tired Town? Or did the Town choose the easy path and did Mafia latch on to it?
I can definitely see two or three Mafia in the above list, jumping on an easy wagon while prematurely adding disclaimers and backpedaling, something to hide themselves behind after Keimi's flip. But they are all four viable candidates to me right now so yeah.

There are other matters at hand right now too, but I still want the people on Keimi's wagon to answer for themselves a little bit.

Johnny's gun giving is interesting. Obviously we shouldn't try to guess who he gave it to, but maybe we could have a voting about who they should shoot?

I have a hard time following the Merry-Haredas clash here... Haredas' vagueclaim yesterday was very... vague, but for some reason Merry understood it well enough to counterclaim? If that is what's happening? I'm very interested to see what Haredas has to say about this.

About Ohm... I begrudgingly agree with Toto that it would be very lazy to lynch him right now. His claim seems way too out there to be made up, and other than that there is definitely not enough to go on to judge him straight on. His lynch would give us very few answers.

Richie
 
And yesterday, after my post concerning Laki it was quiet for over an hour. However, suddenly posts by Laki, Haredasu and Porsche come in one after another. During which the latter two put down the last two votes dooming Keimi. If you look over it imo it looks very coordinated. And this post of Porsche here feels like a very staged moment to throw off suspicion to me.

Elizabello
 
I found the entire dynamic around Keimi's lynch rather weird. Haredas and Porsche did feel like coordinated rush lynching somewhat.

what..........
Yesterday when I checked back in, the thread was as good as dead. Keimi's lynch looked like a given and the Day was nearing its end. I wanted to lynch Keimi too, but I also wanted to put some thoughts and my suspects out there before the Day ended. I had the board open on like 2 or 3 tabs and I saw Laki was posting, and then I saw Haredas voted Keimi too. Then when I checked the index, the little book icon had changed, so for a minute I thought someone had hammered and the thread had been closed. Then I realized it wasn't, so I quickly made that post, finished my other long post, and then lynch voted Keimi.
But like, how would it make sense for there to be a "rush lynch" on Keimi? Her lynch was a long time coming, it was obvious no other wagons would be taking off.
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Oct 12 2016, 10:52 PM
Are we not going to talk about Keimi's flip?
There must have been Mafia on her wagon. At least one, possibly two, maybe even 3? So I'm looking at Laki, Toto, Merry and Haredas.

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it is simple I found Keimi suspicious but think Merry Richie and Elizabello (him not to the same extent) are far more suspicious you can track the progression of my thoughts in the thread. As the day went on I felt Keimi had become less suspicious and others had become more. As I stated in my vote post it was not a disclaimer I was simply on my way to work and could see that it was the only lynch that was going to happen. Since Keimi claimed Vanilla Townie I figured it was safe since if she was guilty we got a mafia lynch and if she told the truth we didn't lost a power role. I was voicing that I would have liked it more if we could have voice someone who had higher odds of flipping mafia.

Porsche
Oct 12 2016, 10:52 PM
Honestly, it looks like no one on Keimi's wagon actually wanted to lynch her. (I want to add here that I did.) Was the Mafia guiding the sheepish, tired Town? Or did the Town choose the easy path and did Mafia latch on to it?
I can definitely see two or three Mafia in the above list, jumping on an easy wagon while prematurely adding disclaimers and backpedaling, something to hide themselves behind after Keimi's flip. But they are all four viable candidates to me right now so yeah.

There are other matters at hand right now too, but I still want the people on Keimi's wagon to answer for themselves a little bit.

Johnny's gun giving is interesting. Obviously we shouldn't try to guess who he gave it to, but maybe we could have a voting about who they should shoot?

I have a hard time following the Merry-Haredas clash here... Haredas' vagueclaim yesterday was very... vague, but for some reason Merry understood it well enough to counterclaim? If that is what's happening? I'm very interested to see what Haredas has to say about this.
I am inclined to believe Merry either just doesn't like me or is a mafia guy who got scared by however he read my claim. Either way his reaction is funny.

Porsche
Oct 12 2016, 10:52 PM
About Ohm... I begrudgingly agree with Toto that it would be very lazy to lynch him right now. His claim seems way too out there to be made up, and other than that there is definitely not enough to go on to judge him straight on. His lynch would give us very few answers.

Richie
 
And yesterday, after my post concerning Laki it was quiet for over an hour. However, suddenly posts by Laki, Haredasu and Porsche come in one after another. During which the latter two put down the last two votes dooming Keimi. If you look over it imo it looks very coordinated. And this post of Porsche here feels like a very staged moment to throw off suspicion to me.

Elizabello
 
I found the entire dynamic around Keimi's lynch rather weird. Haredas and Porsche did feel like coordinated rush lynching somewhat.

what..........
Yesterday when I checked back in, the thread was as good as dead. Keimi's lynch looked like a given and the Day was nearing its end. I wanted to lynch Keimi too, but I also wanted to put some thoughts and my suspects out there before the Day ended. I had the board open on like 2 or 3 tabs and I saw Laki was posting, and then I saw Haredas voted Keimi too. Then when I checked the index, the little book icon had changed, so for a minute I thought someone had hammered and the thread had been closed. Then I realized it wasn't, so I quickly made that post, finished my other long post, and then lynch voted Keimi.
But like, how would it make sense for there to be a "rush lynch" on Keimi? Her lynch was a long time coming, it was obvious no other wagons would be taking off.
Don't try to hide it, you are teammates with my work schedule. The team is just so super secret we don't know about it :ninja:

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Rush lynch kinda because as you said by the end of the day it seemed like nobody wanted to really lynch Keimi anymore. And then you just jumped in and hammered without really addressing that hesitation. What I also found weird how people changed their stance throughout the day (from more absolute to more vague). Your post highlights this well. For me the whole day left a bitter aftertaste of town being lead around by mafia by clueless sheep. At the same time even reading back I have a hard time identifying who really led who. It all seems so symmetrical.
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Oct 12 2016, 10:52 PM
Toto's stance on Keimi's lynch was very strange to me, especially for a player who seems to be so hellbent on actively hunting scum. He starts the Day saying Keimi is his top suspect, and later votes her. A little while on, he comes back and says after rereading, she seems less suspicious to him. But he doesn't unvote. He then asks around if anyone would be up for an Elizabello wagon, but nothing comes of this.
Toto, how do you feel about contributing to Keimi's lynch? Do you think we shouldn't have gone through with it? If you'd had more time yesterday, would you have tried to shift the wagon?

At the start of the Day, Keimi was the player that was instinctively the most suspicious to me, partly because I saw something in Aphelandra's question about her that obvious wasn't there. That plus her inactivity made her my focus at the time. But I admitted that I couldn't even remember exactly what I found scummy about her posts, and said I was going to do a re-read (urging others to do the same). As far as I can tell, Johnny was the only one who actually did. But I digress; I dug up a lot of stuff re-reading, and my suspicion of Keimi didn't disappear but I guess it didn't stand out to me so much anymore compared to people like Merry and Elizabello. At the same time Keimi became active and her posts felt pretty decent. For the first time in the game, someone we were about to lynch didn't reek of scum from 3 miles away in her replies.

If we had more time, yes I would tried to shift the lynch. And I DID try, to Elizabello, but nobody bit. Now at the moment I'm still deciding whether he's actually mafia or just a very scum-vibe townie, with the whole partial claim thing, but anyway. Otherwise, if we had more time and I wasn't about to miss the last 8-ish hours of the day, I would have pushed for Merry. And hey here we are, Merry dropping himself in the spotlight. I have re-evaluated some other players based on the flips and happenings so far as well, but now is not the time for those thoughts.

Oh and I don't regret lynching Keimi. She wasn't my first choice but I sincerely believed, and still believe, there was no way we were going to come together and lynch someone else before Day's end. I didn't suddenly trust her completely, and a no-lynch was not an option to me. That's why I never moved my vote. I stand behind my vote. Even if she wasn't my main suspect I'm not going to be making excuses and telling the told "I told you she seemed like a townie!" I'm not apologizing for being a part of the wagon.
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