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Day 6 - Stay Vigilant
Topic Started: Oct 12 2016, 04:31 PM (2,110 Views)
Elizabello II
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A double bomb claim. This game continues to surprise. I saw that Haredas was having a blast yesterday. But I wasn't sure about his intentions. Claiming bomb can protect you from a night kill. At the same time not claiming bomb and drawing the mafia kill can help eliminate the mafia killer. In our current situation I would have preferred the second option as we haven't really narrowed down the remaining mafia. Since he went with claiming I wasn't sure whether he was bluffing to protect himself.
The other option might just be that he was bluffing to explain his continued survival. That's the option that makes him scum.
Have either he or merry been dropping any hints prior to yesterday?
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Woah I am not understanding what's happening...

Haredas, you were softclaiming Bomb yesterday right? With the "blast"?

Merry, why did Haredas' (soft)claim immediately make you think he was lying/scum?

But if I understand correctly, we have two Bomb claims?
On one hand this doesn't seem that incredible, this game has been proven to have some whacky roles, but with already two other "extra kill" roles (Funkfreed and Johnny), two Bombs seems unlikely.
But that leaves the question: who is lying here?
Haredas claimed first, by softclaiming yesterday. He had absolutely no reason to do so... from what I gather, he tried to bluff the Mafia into killing him? This seems farfetched and dangerous. But what would be the point of a Mafia softclaiming Bomb? Maybe scare off any players with nightkill abilities? Getting a claim out there before he got forced to? So, Haredas, what were you trying to accomplish by softclaiming Bomb yesterday?

But then Merry comes in today and ferociously attacks Haredas for his claim, because HE supposedly is the Bomb. Merry is that right? Is that why you went after Haredas?
He could be telling the truth, and then his reaction to Haredas' claim would actually be legit. But then why did Haredas claim first? Or, Merry could be lying, and just counterclaiming so that we would get the Bomb out of the way for him by lynching. A very risky gambit for the Mafia, considering after Haredas' flip, he would definitely be the next lynch target.

I don't know what to believe. The possibility that both are on the same team is very low imo. (Both Town = 2 Bombs? Both Mafia = worst Mafia ever?) So to solve this, we will need to lynch one of them... but I don't like the way this ultimatum is being thrust upon us. If one of them is Mafia, they must have had a reason for claiming now, and creating this situation. In any case, I want to make the most out of the Day and I want to discuss a lot of other things besides the Bomb Twins over here.
And as for them, Merry has been much higher on my suspect list than Haredas for a while now, and the scenario where Haredas is telling the truth and Merry is lying, is slightly more reasonable to me.
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I have to go now for about 14 hours so I hope things don't get too explosive in the meantime. Heh heh. No seriously don't end the day without me.
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I saw that Haredas has said before in one of his closing remarks that killing him would be foolish. Again not the post I would expect from the actual bomb.
Right not I'm struggling to find his townie intentions in his actions.
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Porsche
Oct 13 2016, 01:14 AM
I have to go now for about 14 hours so I hope things don't get too explosive in the meantime. Heh heh. No seriously don't end the day without me.

Honestly I'm getting tired of you dropping in a couple times a day to drop big posts that don't pay much attention to what's going on and my open questions to the players in question, then disappearing for massive amounts of hours and telling us not to end the day without you. Either play, or don't. I'm not going to wait up for you...
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Haredas
Oct 13 2016, 12:22 AM
Merry
Oct 12 2016, 11:35 PM
Haredas
Oct 12 2016, 10:27 PM
a) congratulations on making my prediction come true. It is still 100% on track.


If you're prediction was to look unnecessarily scummy then congrats.
I will make it simple so hopefully everyone can understand: If I died instead of Johnny we would have the following:
Dorry, Elizabello II, Johnny, Laki, Merry, Ohm, Porsche, Richie, Toto

Suspects: Elizabello II, Laki(not too likely), Merry, Porsche, Richie, Toto(not too likely)

Oh hey without Merry being able to use me as a distraction there are less suspects and more time spent focusing on actual scum hunting. The number of confirmed townies is literally double and there are only 4 main suspects instead of all this time wasted on me. Mafia lost nothing in the night by not taking a gamble and killing me and gain an extra unconfirmed townie to hide behind.

2 confirmed with 7 unconfirmed we actually are left with 1 confirmed and 8 unconfirmed because Johnny is dead.
2/7 vs 1/8 you dig?


No one is talking about using you as a distraction except you. No one is talking about what would happen if Mafia didn't kill Johnny at Night except you. That happened and I see no reason why it wouldn't have happened annnnd I see no reason why you would bring it up? I mean, I agree with you on the suspect list and all but what exactly is your point in bringing any of this up? To show that Mafia made the right choice and of course Mafia didn't lynch you? Ok.

Right now, I don't see my vote on you as a distraction. It's definitely a conversation I wanted to happen because to me your post screamed guilty and so I pushed. And yes, you are freaking out talking about the Day is being wasted and calling this whole thing a distraction because oh noooess someone voted me!

Merry
Oct 12 2016, 11:35 PM
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b) *whoooooooooosh*
You are either Mafia or have some of the worst reading comprehension I have ever seen. Not trying to be mean or anything but there are loads of ways you should have been able to interpret. You have also either missed my obvious breadcrumbs or are ignoring them because you are mafia and want to lynch a townie.


Sorry, but are you serious? Hahaha, who goes around claiming Vanilla Town like that? Are you actually claiming Vanilla Town!? Yes, I considered it but I didn't want to give you any excuses. That's the most backwards thing I've ever seen for such a simple role. It's almost like you're purposefully trying to be open and confusing here to later claim any general thing. That's not a trap for Mafia. That's just dumb (no offense) and it's for your own convenience. You don't think I considered your VT claim excuse? Did I outright say you were Mafia? No, what did I say? I said you were either Mafia or you were bluffing but I didn't want to give you an out you might not have considered like Vanilla Townie.
I am serious but still *woosh*. Nice job on picking the vanilla townie out of the possibilities and thinking I wouldn't be able to possibly think of it considering we already had 3 people claim it.
Also I would not ever claim Vanilla Town because that is not a role, that is what got a mafia lynched after I pointed it out.

If I am bluffing what does the town gain from calling me out on it? Nothing. What does the mafia get? another townie lynched.[/quote]

Dude, Vanilla Town is a role which is different from a powerrole. Come on now and you're forgetting that Keimi was actually a Vanilla Town . Richie is claiming VT. Claiming that role in this stage of the game is not an automatic lynch.

And if you're bluffing it would be obvious you'd do it to keep yourself alive. IF you're Town and Mafia thinks there's harm in seeking you out at Night that's protection. I don'tknow how you don't see that or are ignoring that.

Also, you never asked Town to call you out on it. The only reason why I called you out on it was because it seemed to completely counter my role.

Merry
Oct 12 2016, 11:35 PM
I like you plenty if you're Town. Not so much if you're not. Also, the only time I can Night kill you is if you try to kill me at Night. That's the exact reason why I was asking Funkfreed about this so called 3rd Killer. Because I was inquiring if he somehow had some information on my role which, yes, is coming out below. With Ohm seemingly having game setup information I was a little wary of other players.
This makes zero sense. You were worried people would find out you are a bomb and.... not kill you?[/quote]

Uhhh...yes? I was worried about Mafia knowing whether or not there's a Bomb at play and being on the lookout. Because, you know, as a Bomb you do want to die at the hands of the Mafia.

Merry
Oct 12 2016, 11:35 PM
So, yeah, Haredas that does leave you open to claim something other than Townie. Btw, if it isn't obvious enough already my role is Bomb. If I'm targeted at Night for a kill the killer dies along with me.
Cool, you are either super silly or lying.[/quote]

Hey, that's my line to you. You can't take my line silly.

Merry
Oct 12 2016, 11:35 PM
At worst I'm a Townie that jumped the gun but my ability hasn't helped us out thus far and I saw an opening. The way you're freaking out doesn't help you out either and only increases my suspicion.

a) at worst you are mafia
b) if you are town you already distracted us several time previous days and have caused a lot of confusion (see links in previous thread) and to top it all off are trying to waste an entire day with this nonsense about lynching me.
c) I am not freaking out. TBH I burst into laughter upon reading this thread.[/quote]

Sure, man, you're happy. I get it. At least that's one thing we share. But, again, I don't count my vote and this discussion as a distraction. And from the sounds of it you either think I'm an unhelpful Townie or Mafia and yet you haven't put vote on me? Why? What's stopping you?

And don't give me that 'I want to do some actual Mafia hunting' or 'I don't want to look like OMGUS' excuse. Again, too late for the latter. Right now it looks to me like you're just conveniently waiting for someone else to put a vote down on me before you jump in.

Merry
Oct 12 2016, 11:35 PM
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I will leave you guys up to figuring out if Merry is just scared Mafia or just a bad townie because I don't want to fall into the same OMGUS as him.


Too late for that, man, you're already there.
Seriously? Do you even know what "OMG YOU SUCK!" posting means? Toto and Porsche have far more legit cases against me and I am civil about it. Those two are being logical you are just seeming angry that I posted the thing about seeing you online. I was not even using that as hard proof and actually raised the issue with mods before hand and asked if mentioning it would be frowned upon.[/quote]

Civil? I'm not being uncivil. And angry? Haredas , your post about me possibly being Mafia because you saw me on the board a lot wasn't anger inducing. It was funny. Seriously, I don't want to bog our play with any perceived issues against one another. We're just playing a game and trying to figure everything out.

Merry
Oct 12 2016, 11:35 PM
Haredas
Oct 12 2016, 10:31 PM
I was so obvious in my post that it would not even be a scumslip it would be an intentional scum-suicide.
which leaves us going by "merry logic" that I must be bluffing in which case what does the town possibly gain from calling this bluff? hint: nothing.


At the beginning of your post you said, "Not trying to be mean or anything but there are loads of ways you should have been able to interpret"

Now you're saying, 'Nah, it wasn't really open for a lot of interpretation. My post was pretty obvious.' Which one is it? You can't have it both ways and btw I agree with the former.
Once again your comprehension is sad. It can be both things. 1)There are several ways you can interpret the post ex: Ascetic, Bomb, Bulletproof, Neighbor, Nurse etc all of which would make role blocking me hilariously pointless. 2)And the obvious part has nothing to do with the claim it has to do with the fact that making a post that says "The mafia should keep me alive" as an actual Mafia member is stupid. I was actually hoping on the off chance that the mafia would be stupid and waste their kill on me.[/quote]

Right, you're not understanding or refusing to understand that in light of my role one big thing kept sticking out for me. Why would anyone try to roleblock and kill something unless they're afraid there could be some harm done to them during the killing? To me the word BOMB stuck out the most.
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And this whole thing about protecting the confirmed townies seems really fabricated. How is that supposed to work. If anything you lowered the pool of mafia targets but scaring them away from you.
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Oct 13 2016, 12:46 AM
Okay, I think I need to ask questions now.

Haredas:

  • Were you seriously hoping to draw a mafia kill after warning them about how horrible it would be? Over TWO confirmed townies? Wouldn't it have been much more effective to quietly hope they eventually killed you?
  • Merry kind of has a point that you could have been setting up an explanation for why you never get night killed.
  • Are you saying that the fact that Merry jumped to the conclusion of Bomb out of those choices instantly makes him scummy?

Honestly I feel like we lost an edge if you're telling the truth, and with Merry's claim we lost the same edge if you were just bluffing and he's telling the truth. It also does bother me how you are able to flip every suspicion against you as being a sly trap for the mafia or observation. It really does.


  • First point is the longest: Background info I have come to the assumption that the Mafia players are novices/don't have experience as a scum role. This is based off of really bad scum slips and sloppy play in general. Night 1 they killed Salome if I was Mafia I would have killed a much bigger threat like you or Laki. Night 2/3 Seriously how did funkfreed survive guys? The Mafia should have been able to easily pick up that he had an investigation role considering they know he isn't one of them. Night 4 they killed Brulee over Johnny? I could go on but this is just background info. Since I was assuming the Mafia are not pros my main objective was just to get in their heads and mess with them I was having trouble thinking what to do because of the whole Ohm situation so I figured why not screw with the mafia. Merry is wasting this whole thing but does prove my point in why (role aside) me living is good for both sides.

  • Why would I need to set up an explanation? I have flawlessly maintained a "I don't know what Haredas is up to...?" reputation what more of an excuse do I need?

  • No it just makes him probably a bad player who is tunneling on me because of a comment I made. Keep in mind we had 2 identity stealing roles and at least 2 bomb-esque roles what makes more sense to assume that I could be any number of things I intentionally left vague or to assume that I must be refering to 1 role only and there is no way I could have any kind of overlap in the function it has?


also bonus to point 1:
currently we have 9 players alive
after today we will have max 7 .
Assuming they kill Dorry and we get a townie lynched we could be in LYLO situation in which case the Mafia doesn't even need to kill anyone else they win if the vote goes wrong. I honestly doubt the game will last to the point that I will get night killed so just waiting and hoping seems like it will result in nothing. This late in the game drawing the Mafia's attention to me can only have good results since we have a higher chance to win before I get killed than I do of just getting picked randomly after they are done killing all the confirmed townies.
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Toto
Oct 13 2016, 01:19 AM
Porsche
Oct 13 2016, 01:14 AM
I have to go now for about 14 hours so I hope things don't get too explosive in the meantime. Heh heh. No seriously don't end the day without me.

Honestly I'm getting tired of you dropping in a couple times a day to drop big posts that don't pay much attention to what's going on and my open questions to the players in question, then disappearing for massive amounts of hours and telling us not to end the day without you. Either play, or don't. I'm not going to wait up for you...
I've never agreed more with you. Porsche saying that she has many other things to discuss without mentioning a single one of them and then saying she'll be gone for 14 hours annoyed the hell out of me. She could at least have made her points. She had plenty of time for a long post that didn't add anything to this.
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Toto
Oct 13 2016, 01:19 AM
Honestly I'm getting tired of you dropping in a couple times a day to drop big posts that don't pay much attention to what's going on and my open questions to the players in question, then disappearing for massive amounts of hours and telling us not to end the day without you. Either play, or don't. I'm not going to wait up for you...
How am I not paying attention to what's going on? I literally just made a whole post about the Merry/Haredas thing.

And I can't help it that I have stuff to do outside of this game - I wish I could check in more regularly, but I can't. Why does it matter anyway if the Day goes on a little longer? The only people who benefit from the Day ending soon are the Mafia.
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