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| Tom Colicchio | Mar 15 2018, 02:54 PM Post #1 |
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This thread is for Paul's FTC. Paul has from 17:30 EDT until 18:30 EDT on March 15th to post an opening statement. At this time, the Jury will have access to the thread and be able to ask questions. The thread will close again at 18:30 EDT on Friday, March 16th. The Jury have until 18:00 EDT on Saturday, March 17th to vote. Edited by Tom Colicchio, Mar 15 2018, 02:54 PM.
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| JURY MEMBER: Chumlee | Mar 15 2018, 07:12 PM Post #26 |
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Followup question for you Paul, though I didn't intend to ask any: if you correctly identified Jared as a threat with a similar resume to yourself, why didn't you try to avoid endgaming with him in a situation (small jury, F3) where splitting votes could be so dangerous to your chances to win? |
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| JURY MEMBER: Matthew Van Melikian | Mar 15 2018, 07:27 PM Post #27 |
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Alright, then I will speak my mind. First of all, you are loud and obnoxious, although you seem to be aware of that yourself and see absolutely no problems with it, not even in a game where you have to convince people to make you win. Your shitty gifs can't even make it through two hours of FTC! Secondly, you claim you were aware of everything happening around you. This may be true, but what does awareness mean, if you don't have the power to change anything about what is going to happen? If you know you are going to die this week, then what does it matter? You can't change the outcome anyway. You just said that you were against three of the six votes I just mentioned, yet you couldn't change a thing about them. You claim that big players play badly because they paint targets on their back, and that may be true. But Survivor is also a game about doing things, and do things I did not see you do. Gear bounced right back after his idol got flushed and he voted in the majority, and here he is right now. Jared was an integral part of making the Chris, Katharine, and me votes happening. You claim that you were seeding people's minds with voting me out, but to me it seems like Courtney was the main driving force for that one, followed by Jared, who had to make a real, conscious choice to betray me. You disliked me already. You say you made people like you more than your enemies, but I feel like people only worked with you through others, or because they had to. Like PG through Courtney, and Chumlee because he knew he was pretty fucked at that point. I think that is all for now. |
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| Paul Abrahamian | Mar 15 2018, 07:30 PM Post #28 |
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Okay, cool! @Chum 1) I disagree with the idea that a split vote could be so dangerous to my chances to win! 2) I think my style of play appeals to some demographic more than Jareds. Jared is a wonderful, pleasant guy who was nice enough but very few people's favorites. I think the guy is great, but that despite being somewhat similar, we appeal to wildly different styles of voters. I think on a straight up strategic level, I showed myself to play a more direct, active game than Jared. On a straight up social level, he was probably a bit better. He played a pretty inoffensive game. I can't imagine anyone hates him, so in that way he probably didn't piss off the jury. We're like...similar in that we were allies but how we got here is super different. In addition, I feel like there were few people in the merge I could have a case against. I think Jared is one of those people, despite being a threat. Finally, I wouldn't be mad if Jared won. I would be mad if other people had got to the end and won, and I think those people would have had an easier road to getting respect. Like, Chum, you would beat me or Jared unanimously every single time. I vastly prefer Jared's style of play, and have a better chance against him. Basically, I know people have problems with me. I think I have some good qualities, and that those compare to Jared's in an interesting way. Gear, too. Edited by Paul Abrahamian, Mar 15 2018, 08:05 PM.
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| Paul Abrahamian | Mar 15 2018, 07:41 PM Post #29 |
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I've been made fun of my entire life. I'm proud of who I am. I treat people kindly whenever I can. Some people really liked me. Gear liked me. Jared liked me. Courtney liked me. Kat, Evan. And each one of them worked hard to protect me at some point in this game. You didn't! And that is okay. Lots of people didn't, I'm sure. I don't like some people, either.
Like I said, this game is about knowing when to stand up, and knowing when to stand down. Katharine completely squandered her chances of making it far. It was her own doing. I would have tried to save her if she didn't try to drown me with her. I didn't try to save her. She was my friend, and you talked badly about her. That doesn't mean I throw my game away to save her. Evan, we connected a bit too late. By that point, it was an uphill stream. He was a friend, but he wasn't crucial to my game. He understood, and we talked it out before he left. It would blow up my spot to push for him to stay anymore than I did. Jenn, she was just AFK. I think you probably leave before her if she comes back, honestly. You can't save someone who isn't there!
PG...came to me wanting to vote Courtney? Like, super early on. We weren't super close, but I liked her a lot. I thought we had a good game relationship for most of the game. Chumlee, I don't know if he liked me or not, honestly. I liked him? He made me feel like he liked me. Maybe he hated me the entire time, but if he is, hes definitely a good actor. I genuinely believe Gear, Jared, Courtney, Evan, Kat liked me as a human being and ally. They proved that both with words, and actions in the game. I *think* maybe Jenn, Maybe Chum liked me as well.
I agree, and disagree. Courtney worked her ass off getting it done. Overworked. I had a lot of people work that, I think it was 1. Court 2. Me. I persuaded Jared to do it, because of the whole big players thing.
Yeah, you didn't know what I was doing. Other people did! I didn't trust you with information. I controlled the: PG, Chum (I orchestrated a dope blindside...and then martin also did that >_> so maybe doesn't count) and you! |
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| JURY MEMBER: Matthew Van Melikian | Mar 15 2018, 07:50 PM Post #30 |
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That may be true about my vote. But I don't get the same message from his opening speech. The message I get from that is that he worked most closely with Courtney and PG on that vote, not with you. Maybe he is trying to paint himself in a better light, which is good for him, but I tend to believe him there. I do not mean only from within the game. Obviously my fellow jurors and I talked about the game after we were voted out. I think the only positive thing I heard about you was from Courtney telling me you were her closest ally and her "Ride-or-die". I never heard from anyone else about your crucial roles in all of these votes that you seem to be claiming, only from you. And Chumlee wasn't really a blindside, he knew he was going home there. But I still do not see a case being made for anyone voting for you, your narrative seems to be "I hid behind big players and drifted to the end". You say that you should not push too strong, and not too weak. You didn't push too strong, but I believe that you pushed too weak. |
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| Paul Abrahamian | Mar 15 2018, 07:58 PM Post #31 |
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Everyone is the hero in their own story. Either way, I think the move is infinitely better for me than him. You probably never turn on him. Much like Gear never turns on me. Keeping gear was a crucial part of my game. A crucial part of his should have been saving you. Yeah, you were a big threat. But he could get you out later. You weren't ever going for him, were you? I pushed to get rid of you. I pushed to get rid of Chum, PG. I pushed to keep Gear. A *lot* of my game is positioning. When you leave, a power vacuum is created where its possible to get rid of Chumlee. One isn't possible with the other. I called that beforehand. Yeah, Chum was all but dead his round. Why? Yeah, he blew up too early: he was clearly likeable, and would win against anyone. But I made sure every single person was well aware of that. I pushed it for rounds. Threats dont just pop out of nowhere. They come from the minds of people, and I made sure you and Chum were viewed as the kings and queens, the pretty people who needed to die. I pushed, and let other people feel the repercussions of said push. Edited by Paul Abrahamian, Mar 15 2018, 07:59 PM.
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| JURY MEMBER: Jenn Lyon | Mar 15 2018, 08:48 PM Post #32 |
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Same questions for all three of you (this is such a dumb way to do FTC): 1) If this game had ended as God and Mark Burnett intended, which is to say, with a final 2, which of the other two finalists would you have taken to the end and why? 2) What is the worst possible ending for this game? |
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| Paul Abrahamian | Mar 15 2018, 08:51 PM Post #33 |
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1. Gear. My buddy from day one, and I love him as a person. In addition, I think my game was a bit more nuanced and active than him. Less comparable. 2. Everyone stops posting, forgets to vote, and we're all in a pseudo-tie. Sharing is the worst. |
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| JURY MEMBER: Jenn Lyon | Mar 15 2018, 08:54 PM Post #34 |
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50%, do better. |
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| Paul Abrahamian | Mar 15 2018, 09:24 PM Post #35 |
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1. I agree, F2's are one hundred kajillion times better. I would take Gear because I think I win that F2. And if I didn't, I would be happy because he is a good dude. Jared would be a great #robbedg.oddess, and imo works better story wise that way than a winner. 2. From my perspective: Gear winning. This was a game about the small players outplaying the big ones. Gear is a fucking awesome guy, and honestly I am fine if he wins. He was nice to me, played a timid, social game. But truthfully, story wise, this game was about big threats eating eachother, and being completely blind to the suitors beneath them with their knives ready. Gear would be a boring, traditional winner in a game that curbed normal expectation, and had people who were aware and actively playing more nuanced, advanced games. I think Jared and I played better games, and in a way that worked to make the game fun and exciting. Gear was over-paranoid, completely flubbed his idol play. He went from big threat to timid fart fairly quickly. |
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| Paul Abrahamian | Mar 15 2018, 09:28 PM Post #36 |
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Reading Jared's speech: I want to make one thing clear. I could have easily beat Jared in the F4 game. I didn't want to have to pick between Martin and Gear, and went along with the plan he made giving him the win. I was 100% sure I was in the f3, I didn't need to win. Richard Hatchian philosophy, if you will. (I will not pay the taxes on the prize money if I win this game)
Edited by Paul Abrahamian, Mar 15 2018, 09:35 PM.
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| JURY MEMBER: Martin Melin | Mar 15 2018, 09:51 PM Post #37 |
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Yeah this is actually a wonderful post. |
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| JURY MEMBER: Courtney Act | Mar 15 2018, 10:52 PM Post #38 |
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My question is simple: Read all the jurors. In case you don't know what reading is, here's an example: |
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| Paul Abrahamian | Mar 15 2018, 11:44 PM Post #39 |
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FIRST OFF, GOTTA PUT ON MY GLASSES![]() Jenn; I expected you to be a roaring threat like a lion, didn't think you would just be lyon on the ground doing nothing! I think the Wardrobe had more of an impact on this game than this Lyon. Matthew: Nice starter beard. It started out strong. It seemed like it was growing. At first, it seemed impressive. But it just kinda stayed the same. It never really grew or got any better. Spoiler: click to toggle Courtney: You wanted to be center stage so bad you ran out on stage without finishing your makeup! Everyone saw your True/Final Form! Courtney: Matt and chumlee are the biggest targets, I WILL NOT BE UPSTAGED. Chum: You're like a dog, everyone loves you and wants to pet you. You are loyal, trustworthy and full of fur. You're fun to play with, because you make us feel warm inside. Unfortunately, dogs die 7x faster than the humans you were playing with! You might win Tila Tequila's A Shot At Love (/alcoholism), but not Survivor! ![]() PG - Does your ass hurt from sitting on the fence all day!? You can come out here for tribal council, honey, Courtney can't vote you out from here no need to be paranoid! ![]() Martin - Memeing, unlike reading, is not fundamental. Voting out Chum didn't fix the Black Thought of your problems OKAY THESE AREN'T GREAT I'LL THINK OF MORE Edited by Paul Abrahamian, Mar 15 2018, 11:47 PM.
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| JURY MEMBER: Matthew Van Melikian | Mar 16 2018, 07:18 AM Post #40 |
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I feel like this paragraph in specific is the crux of my problem with you. Everything that you did, Jared did better. You claim that Jared should have kept me there, but why? It's true that I wanted to keep him until the end, but so did about... Everyone else. He wasn't ever in danger of being voted out, the only vote he received was from Katharine in our second TC. You claim the same thing, but you were threatened in our last TC. Obviously I don't know for certain if Gear and/or Jared would go along if I absolutely insisted on you going home, but that alone is more danger than he was ever in. His name was never brought up, except by Katharine that one time. You both played on a different axis than Gear, but I think Jared played that axis better. He voted people out, but made them feel like he only did it because he had to. Or he wasn't responsible for voting them out. Some say that survivor is a dirty game, and that you "should" be in danger or make dangerous moves sometimes. You yourself claim that this is bad gameplay, so you clearly don't think this. In this case Jared remembered to wash his hands, while you forgot to use toilet paper to wipe. |
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| JURY MEMBER: Peih Gee Law | Mar 16 2018, 10:36 AM Post #41 |
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Paul, aside from what others have asked, here are my questions: Firstly, a question for the three of you. Where on an alignment chart like this would you place yourself and why? https://i.redd.it/qmcybi1y1q801.jpg Secondly, what would define you as a winner? A certain move, a certain part of your gameplay? I'm curious. |
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| Paul Abrahamian | Mar 16 2018, 11:02 AM Post #42 |
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It limited his options. He cut someone who was close to him, who if things didn't break his way could protect him. I would say a strategic misfire that didn't end up mattering.
Not true. Jared's name was thrown out a lot as a concensus make everyone happy boot. We just had too many big players play bad and explode. Jared and I both received one vote, but Jared was just not super close to anyone. He was always in danger of being that concensus boot, just bigger fish needed to be fried. You wanted me out, and couldn't get me out. Huge difference. I overcame an obstacle, I made a move against someone who was coming for me. Awareness. Huge reason courtney "makes the move" when she does is because I am hardcore pushing that it has to be now. It only "had to be now" for me.
Because he didn't have nearly as much agency. Its easy to not get your hands dirty when you never play in the mud. Jared is here because other people messed up, and if they didn't, he would have left earlier. He was never insulated like I was. I think he played a solid game, but I showed significantly more awareness and agency. |
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| Paul Abrahamian | Mar 16 2018, 11:12 AM Post #43 |
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1. Lawful Neutral. One, I think I relate a lot to Devon in this game. I was underestimated, but well liked by the people who liked me. I had my Ryan in Gear, I had my Ben/Ashley in you/Jared. I had my Lauren Rimmer in Courtney, and throughout the merge I flipped between those groups. But I had some constants: I was always going to do whatever was best for me. If an option gave me more oppurtunities in the future, that is what I would do. I was easy to predict in that way. Every time he asks, its whats best for me. I backstabbed people, but I played by a pretty set code, and it was always what I thought was better. Like, for most of this merge, I wanted to go to the end with you, PG. I thought 1) I like you, and your obscure survivor opinions. But more importantly, I thought you would be beatable at the end. Over time, I realized you were *way* more smart and capable than I thought. And that Gear really wasn't a threat. Gear was a threat for one round in this game, and squandered it completely. You came into the merge "not a threat" and became one. I think Jared's single biggest mistake was voting to keep you, because you would have beat him. He never learned to appreciate how much of a threat you were. I did. I adapted and changed, but at the end of the day my strategy was always what was best for me. And I think that makes me lawful good, but honestly? I think it exemplifies my gameplay so I'll try to merge these questions. In this game, people get labelled as threats/not threats at the start of merge. A 1 or a 0. Binary pick. You, me and Jared were labelled 0's. Gear was labelled 1. You slowly rose to be a hard 1, but people didn't realize it. I realized it at the final 5. Jared didn't. He was very upset that I voted you out. But, without knowing for sure, I'm fairly confident you left the game with people saying they'd vote for you. Jared never realized that, and his play backs that up. I did. I liked you a lot, we had a fun working relationship, but at the 5, you were by far the biggest "real" threat. To relate to Devon, you were my Ben, and I was able to get you out where you should have left instead of you winning! ![]() I would say awareness, adaptation, agency and asshole (alteration!) defines my winner game haha. Matthew was a threat to my game, voted him out. Courtney was in danger, I let the chips fall on her. We schemed beforehand about Courtney going, and I think my single biggest move was convincing people that you voted with Courtney. It gave me control over who left the folliowing rounds. Yeah, Chum was an obvious threat who would leave anyway: But if Chum was replaced with just some other person, I would have controlled who left there, I controlled who left at 5, too. So yea, basically that is how my winner game would be defined. If you have any questions, let me know. Edited by Paul Abrahamian, Mar 16 2018, 11:14 AM.
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| JURY MEMBER: Matthew Van Melikian | Mar 16 2018, 11:17 AM Post #44 |
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In game I didn't hear about that, but that is obvious. However, in the jury forum I also never heard anyone intending to ever vote Jared out. Who were the players who threw his name out, and when? And during the jury talks, Courtney didn't mention that you specifically were a big part of the vote, it seemed to come from her. And I don't think she'd have a reason to lie as she mentioned you were her closest ally and she was on the jury already. Althought she would have to give her side on the story here. And I am curious to hear which people you were close to, that Jared wasn't close to. Preferably jury members only. |
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| JURY MEMBER: Peih Gee Law | Mar 16 2018, 11:20 AM Post #45 |
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Thanks for your reply. I like Matt's question, so I'm curious for that one. |
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| Paul Abrahamian | Mar 16 2018, 11:22 AM Post #46 |
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I don't think Martin and Jared were ever particularly close. Martin told me time after time that Jared rarely talked to him. Gear/Jared weren't super close, either. Could be wrong, but my gut is that Chum and Jared were never super close. He would often ask me what was going on with Jared because after a challenge Jared would just leave. He didn't spend much time actively conversing with people. Maybe he was more pleasant on their way out, but Jared didn't have super close relationships with everyone. Chum threw his name out to me on two different occasions. After we voted out Courtney, Chum said "Do you care if we do Jared or PG? I don't". That we would have been me/gear/martin/Chum. Gear also threw out Jared's name, in that same vote. If Chum had won that immunity, PG/Jared leave more than likely. I mean, I don't know how Courtney saw it. I pushed for it like crazy for the merge. Looking at our messages now, I am the one to initially tell Courtney, she didn't tell me to vote Matthew. We were working on it together. That is how I viewed it. I spent all day persuading people to go along with the plan, and I spent all merge hyping you up to be some mega unbeatable threat. |
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| Paul Abrahamian | Mar 16 2018, 11:24 AM Post #47 |
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In addition, PG flipped on Courtney because, from my perspective, she saw Courtney/Jared as a 100% pair, and that they would flip on her. That to me facilitates that PG and Jared weren't the closest. PG told me she was voting Courtney, and we talked about it for hours before. Jared was left in the dark. I think that says something. |
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| JURY MEMBER: Peih Gee Law | Mar 16 2018, 03:12 PM Post #48 |
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Paul, in my perspective you and Jared achieved about the same strategically. And while you were good to me, to others you weren't always, I heard. So why should I vote for you if Jared has a better social game, arguably? |
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| Paul Abrahamian | Mar 16 2018, 03:20 PM Post #49 |
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Always believe what happens to you more than other people. You and I, we clicked. We are both goofier, less serious people. We had a good game relationship, and a good personal relationship. If someone told me that PG was awful and a dick, I would trust my positive experience with you over theirs. I think I was good to people. Like, I think you/Jenn(for the short time we chatted)/Gear/Jared/Martin/Chum all liked me in varying capacities throughout the game. I can't tell you what to value, but I don't think one person saying I'm the worst should supercede the friendships and companionships I made in this game. Matthew and I didn't click. We just didn't. I tried to click with him, he tried to click with me, it just didn't work. I wasn't the best to Matthew, but I was never mean? I was never cruel. If Matthew were here, I would not crucify him constantly in his thread. |
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| Paul Abrahamian | Mar 16 2018, 03:24 PM Post #50 |
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To add onto that, like, Chum would tell me I'm the only original blue member giving him the time of day. I don't know if that was buttering me up, but I believed it. We chatted lots. About personal stuff, mostly. But it was a relationship. I felt *really* bad about voting Chum out. Like, I really liked the dude. I sent him a big PM before he left. Knowing these games, I know that was a good way to make him think I was being fake and shit, and lose his jury vote. I just felt bad. I considered him a friend. We made a game deal, and I went back on it. I wanted to say goodbye, and in the last 5 minutes of tribal I just typed as fast as I could. I knew it was stupid, but I have emotions. I don't think I'm as bad as Matthew says. Am I a perfect person? No way. I have flaws, but I don't think I treated people cruelly, meanly or even ignored them all that much. I mean, at the very least I didn't intend them to. Two moments in this game, sure. But life gets crazy sometimes. At least at one point, Chum told me that other people were ignoring him, and that he valued that I would always actually talk with him. Edited by Paul Abrahamian, Mar 16 2018, 03:32 PM.
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