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| Inter religious Courting; Should we restrain ourselves to our own? | |
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| Afalstein | 23 Apr 2010, 07:46 AM Post #76 |
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Well, there are some things not worth compromising on. I do happen to consider eternal salvation and your philosophy on life to be among those. I'm saying these are terribly important questions that will at the very least need to be addressed before you get married. They're not the sort of things that can be ignored or will just go away with time. And they're not so terribly easy to compromise on either, both for the reasons I list above, and also because many people have either spent most of their life in the faith and hence have a strong sense of nostalgia toward it, or were converted to it and are even more passionate about it. And in answer to your question, yes, their religion is a threat to your faith, and quite possibly to any marriage that might result. That's not so much my opinion as it is the Bible's, it states very clearly that believers are not to be unequally yoked. Going into a marriage supposing that you will convert your partner is a naive concept, going into it supposing that your different faiths won't make a difference to each other is just stupid. The alternatives, then, are to divorce or to become converted to your partner's faith. So yes. Marriage is an important step and ought to be carefully considered |
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| Concolor | 23 Apr 2010, 11:36 AM Post #77 |
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In one respect, I agree more with Afalstein on this particular point. If faith is the most important thing in your life, then this will be challenged by entering into close relations with someone of opposing faith (or no faith). It will increase the probability of you adopting a different faith, to moderate your faith, or let go of faith altogether. For me these all look like great alternatives, but if you actually believe your faith to be true then this would of course be bad. I will note that by far the wast majority of people do not really adhere so strongly to their faith that this would be a huge problem. Most religious people I've met do not live their life as they would (or should) if they really took their faith as absolute, word-by-word truth. Even those who have their faith as a central pillar in their life, and indulge in constant worship of their deity(ies), most often only follow their faith as long as it's convenient to their human desires. Which is why so many inter-religious marriages work fine (according to human values, both Gods involved are of course furious). |
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Life is beautiful, love heals, people come through. Reason, compassion and love comes first. Everything else is secondary. Except for Skittles. - And emperor Cheezy!
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| Afalstein | 23 Apr 2010, 12:41 PM Post #78 |
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Haha, very nice. Sadly, you are very correct. Many people today don't take their faith very seriously, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me--it's supposed to be a way of life that determines your eternal state, so why WOULDN'T you take it seriously--but there it is. In this sense, letting go of a faith that didn't mean much to you in the first place is largely a nominal step. After all, if you didn't care very much about your religion to begin with, I kinda tend to doubt you actually believed in it. And, in a human sense, I suppose failing to actually care about your faith does allow you to avoid conflict. Though I do have to wonder what happens when you die and MEET said furious gods. |
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| Deleted User | 26 Apr 2010, 08:29 AM Post #79 |
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Haha, very nice. Sadly people read a lot more into this scripture than it says. Bible says a beleiver shouldnt be yoked with a non-beleiver -then proceeds to explain what should happen if salvation occurs whilst already married or one spouse is an unbeleiver. Its for our own benefit to follow rather than because Gods "scared" of losing beleivers to other "religions" One of the unexplainable mysteries of marrage is the becoming of 2 into 1 this is a beautifull thing and their is no guareentees its an easier process for ppl who share similar traits or even similar doctrine .... hence i find the denomination thing amusing. SHOULD YOU DEFINATELY TAKE TIME TO CONSIDER WHO YOU MARRY -YES !!! If you are both beleivers of Christ as your lord and saviour and the denominational differences are minor, you will find them surmountable and find that you aren't all that unequally yoked-But if the differences continue and be unresolvable you will have your answer The point is the 2 becoming 1 union doesnt happen between unbeleivers and beleivers - its a spiritual equation - God isnt in it as the 3rd cord to strengthen and sustain Join with one or the other ultimately or remain seperate spiritualy |
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| Concolor | 26 Apr 2010, 11:40 AM Post #80 |
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But God, in his infinite mercy, still let's atheists marriages more lasting than marriages between believers.
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Life is beautiful, love heals, people come through. Reason, compassion and love comes first. Everything else is secondary. Except for Skittles. - And emperor Cheezy!
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| conradw | 26 Apr 2010, 03:52 PM Post #81 |
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I will concede that if someone is so bigoted or xenophobic that religion would be an issue in your marriage then you probably shouldn't get married to someone of a different religion. I know I'm totally pulling a Godwin's here, but I'm certain that interracial marriages by Klan members don't last very long for the same reason. If on the other hand you can love the person and not be threatened by skin-deep issues like this, then Allah ma'ak - Go with [the blessing of] God |
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| Concolor | 26 Apr 2010, 11:14 PM Post #82 |
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There you go conradw, you do agree with us after all
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| Deleted User | 27 Apr 2010, 06:18 AM Post #83 |
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no ha,ha and no very nice is still in order despite the Godwins law reference Although i dont doubt many Christians may be bigots- calling Christians who view being evenly yoked with another beleiver bigots is incorrect and you know it and it has nothing to do with Skin deep issues but just the opposite which you know also - so hhrrmm NAZI there you go-lets talk realistically because Bigotry includes- Animosity-which is a feeling of hatred arousing active hostility. I dont hate someone just because i dont marry them btw-Concolor - we have debated the reliability of that statement -unless you know of any recent empirical evidence -just saying as scientific proof seems your preferred standard most of the time |
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| conradw | 27 Apr 2010, 08:29 AM Post #84 |
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The scientific veracity of Concolor's statement is confirmed by the data. I remember arguing about this before and finding a lot of studies into the topic, confirming what Concolor says. I don't mind digging up the research again for you, but I'd rather not. @Concolor: I'm glad we agree then. But our disagreement would be a normative rather than an objective one. Would you agree with me that we should be trying to be free from bigotry and prejudice? @Arazec: prejudice need not be explicit to be prejudice. Meaning? You might not hate someone because you don't marry them, but ruling out ever marrying someone, and discouraging others to do the same because their culture is alien to yours can hardly be called loving your neighbour. |
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| Concolor | 27 Apr 2010, 01:55 PM Post #85 |
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@conradw: Well of course I'm no fan of bigotry, but that's a personal preference. I also think leaving your faith is a good thing. The point I was trying to make was that if you don't want to loose your faith, you are more safe staying with people of the same faith. |
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| conradw | 27 Apr 2010, 02:33 PM Post #86 |
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See I would add however, its not 'lose your faith' or 'reinforce your faith,' but you can actually grow in faith - that is to mature. And I think knowing people from other faiths will help you do this. |
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| Deleted User | 27 Apr 2010, 10:25 PM Post #87 |
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WHICH IS WHY YOU ARE HERE CONCOLOR ! see you may think an Athiest hangs around Christian websites for a number of other reasons BUT ........... OH PRAISE GOD !!! he had it planned all along........ are you feeling it ? *feeling my prayers for your blessings* |
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| Concolor | 27 Apr 2010, 11:03 PM Post #88 |
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@ARAZEC: Thanx, but remember that I don't have a faith to loose. ![]() @conradw: What you call "growing in your faith" I call "leaving your faith so slowly that you don't notice".
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| Deleted User | 28 Apr 2010, 06:15 AM Post #89 |
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besides your confidence in Concolors version of the truth your memory or his cannot produce any empirical evidence-so i asked the question -why change your standards for proof when it suits you ? ahhh but you are an atheist its a faith in not have faith but its a faith all the same so you hanging around christians has it caused you to lose a little faith in Atheism ? Catch 22 but beats chucking a fake Godwin
prejudice Now i love how you twist it up here - you said it was bigotry and the correct use of that term includes animosity and hatred so there by following the bible when it comes who i choose to marry and who i do not choose to marry does not make me a bigot had you said prejudice i may have agreed - positive and negative bias effects every choice you and i make and i am not saying they are all good. You can choose whoever you want to marry and so can I so it seems even. |
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| conradw | 28 Apr 2010, 06:15 AM Post #90 |
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@concolor: touche |
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