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Pastafarianism; The atheist religion
Topic Started: 23 Jul 2009, 08:03 PM (3,242 Views)
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I'm sorry, I should have been more clear. I meant that radiometric dating was not accounted for in your hypothesis. If they were formed into Pangaea and then re-stacked, should that not mean that the different layers should have either all the same radiometric age (if Pangaea was formed at once) or that the ages of the layers should vary wildly from old to young to old etc. between the layers (if Pangaea was formed over time and these layers were then re-stacked)?

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Well, considering how mankind hasn't had recorded history for over 6,000 years, it would be hard to know how the poles shift and whatnot
Yes it is hard. But this is how science works. I've mentioned before that we have never observed Pluto going around the sun even once, so how do we know that it actually orbits the sun? (I'm talking about scientific knowledge, not absolute knowledge. It COULD have some other reason to move in the pattern it does, but that would need a very implausible explanation.) We know because we assume that it follows the same laws of gravity and motion as any other object with mass that we have ever observed. Notice how science is actually using assumptions, but that these are good assumptions since they are based on huge amounts of empirical (observed) evidence.
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If we have one major current bringing different rocks from their original same point via the same current depositing them in the same place, wouldn't that produce a similar effect?
By a massive series of extremely (in my opinion) improbable events, there could possibly be one place where different tectonic plate movements could crush these rocks into each other in an elaborate manner to create a pattern of layers that would arrange the magnetic polarities in such a way that if you only took samples from the middle of each layer or something, it would seem like they had formed over millions of years in shifting magnetic fields (think of the rocks as having little compasses in them that were pointing towards the magnetic north while they were forming, but then were "frozen in" and stuck in a position when the rock finally formed.) But this does not account for the different radiometric ages of the layers. Also, for your hypothesis to be correct this must have happened with every rock formation on the planet. As far as I know, plate tectonic is not a directed process, there are only plates that are being pushed around by processes within the earth. I can see no mechanism for this process to consistently form a precise and elaborate structure repeatedly in every rock formation on the planet.

Of course, one could always say that a supernatural entity stacked them like that on purpose and sprinkled some different isotopes in different layers just to stir things up. Firstly the motivation for this would make absolutely no sense. Secondly this would imply that there are supernatural entities which are messing with the processes of the world right down to the lowest level. We could not trust the results of a single scientific discipline as their predictions could at any time be foiled by supernatural intervention. Modern medicine would be out the window, how could you know that a given medicine actually worked? Maybe it's just some supernatural entity that keeps it from killing you every time you take it. What if it suddenly stops doing that, like it did with the rock formation? People would be killing themselves by the millions by taking ordinary prescription drugs just because a supernatural entity did not feel like making it harmless anymore? And would you dare to go outside if gravity was the result of a supernatural entity deciding to keep you on the ground at all times, and you knew that this entity moved in mysterious ways that could result in you suddenly loosing gravity at any given time?

Yet somehow science just keeps working. Gravity always pulls us down. and I have no reason to suspect that the laws of nature would suddenly change the way they would need to to form the observed geological structures we see today by the mechanism that you propose in your hypothesis.

But I must give you credit for one thing. The way you reacted to this new information was to construct an hypothesis, a vital part in the scientific process. Even though I don't agree with you that this hypothesis is more plausible that the current theory, this allows us to explore the different possibilities on a scientific level. Which is cool :)
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And are there any volcanos in Hell Creek?
I don't know. You could check Wikipedia?
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Aww, that's your job.
No it's ok. WIKI-MAN!

I just laughed out loud.
Ahem, anyways, look at what I found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_Creek
You really only have to read a little bit, but what does it say about water formations?
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It says that most of the material was deposited during the late Cretaceous period (about 65-70 million years ago). This was, according to Encyclopædia Britannica through the process of sedimentation, and not plate tectonics.
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what if it was due to both? what if god used them both as a way to make the volcanoes, at the same time?! (dun dun duh)
Call it what you want
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Well, it used the word fluvial, which basically describes the movement of sediments and whatnot via a current.
Which is what I suggested.
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@Luemas: I either disagree with that, or I misunderstood your original post. If you press the word Fluvial in that article, you can see that this refers to sedimentation of smaller rocks and particles creating a fresh layer of rock from "dissolved" material in water. Not a giant mass of water moving layers of rocks around and re-stacking them (as I interpreted your original post to say).
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Basically, what I meant was fluvial. But that sounds so much funner to say.
But basically, I had in mind a current pulling different samples and landing them in the same place.
But it's a river, on a global scale.
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if it meant what you're talking about, they would have described it as Alluvial. Floods and rivers make different patterns of sedimentation.
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@conradw: Even if the process had been Alluvial (basically just the same as normal sedimentation only with bigger rocks carried by glaciers or potentially really strong flowing rivers(?) ), that would still not account for the formation of different strata that gives the appearance of being formed over millions of years. Unless these layers were in fact formed through sedimentation over millions of years, which is the currently used model of how Hells Creek was formed.
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... and brief flooding (eg: wadis and dry river beds).

I don't think they would have described it as alluvial if the features all pointed towards it being fluvial. My point was that the result of a flooding is not the same as river sedimentation.
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Before becoming Muslim, I thought about worshiping the Almighty Flying Spaghetti Monster. That was before I learned it was just a hoax. Oh well.
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Yes, you should rather go for the Invisible Pink Unicorn :D
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something does not look quite right about whats going on here...... B) ...........its my unproveable...intuition................and its usually pretty spot on
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Satire and hoax aren't quite the same thing, but in the true spirit of satire, I'm going to ask: what did you notice about Islam that made it more 'real' than the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
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hoax of another kind
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