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Internet Pornography; A sin that needs to be talked about
Topic Started: 18 Aug 2009, 09:13 PM (12,571 Views)
conradw
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I suppose it comes in the way we describe it. I'm sort of winging it here:
Just as we can represent a concept such as freedom with a statue, we represent ideals such as gregariousness with a dude in a red suit.
And if you don't think that the statue represents for a lot of people liberty and freedom, just imagine if the terrorists had blown it up.

I don't want this to boil down into the an issue of semantics, like what is spirituality and what is supernatural, and all of that but it feels like this is headed that way
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conradw
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@arazec: after significant research, I have some to the conclusion, that clairvoyants are only entertainers. (and by significant research, I mean watching south park)
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@conradw: Even though I love semantics, and think they are necessary when it comes to truly going in depth with complex issues. I'll do my best to steer clear of them.

One interesting observation
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just imagine if the terrorists had blown it up
You know what would happen don't you? The people who adhere so much value to this symbol will go absolutely bonkers. They will wage war on anyone who bears a slight resemblance to the ones who blew it up. They will cast their people into hardships and struggles to gain retribution for their broken symbol.

What if people cared less for symbols, and more for the values and ideas they represent? Would they still be as ready to sacrifice their freedom in the hunt for those who desecrated their symbol of liberty?

I agree with you that it is the case that many people do use symbols to represent concepts. I do not agree that this is a good idea (you didn't say it was, I'm just stating my opinion). And I would never, ever agree that something is right or true just because most people do, say or think it (which you didn't say either, but with a little effort one could (mis)use your statements to point in that direction).
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So what are the ideas and beleifs behind the pornography you condone? ^o)
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Concolor
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Can't say I remember having condoned any pornography lately :D
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but you agree its an O.k thing in general?
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I agree it's an OK thing in principle, not necessarily in general.

Example of porn I would think is safely within the limits of what is OK, by my standards:
Concolor shows a bunch of pictures of himself from his holiday to a girl. In one of these photos he is on the beach and wearing only shorts. The girl asks if she could buy this picture of him. When Concolor asks why, she does not lie, but confesses that his hunky appearance in this photo is sexually stimulating to her. Concolor sells her the picture for her to use with this intent, thus making it a pornographic product.

(This scenario is so realistic, I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet)

Another example would be if a girl (or boy) asked Concolor if he could take some pictures of himself with his shirt of for them to use or redistribute in exchange for money, and assuming Concolor was fully aware that these pictures would then be spread out pretty much universally and he received adequate pay, I would also find this to be OK.

(I'm always assuming Concolor to be a consenting adult in these examples.)
Edited by Concolor, 20 Oct 2009, 05:27 AM.
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So you think making,watching,distributing movies showing genitals of young adults is fine and acceptable?
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Concolor
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Not necessarily in any or even most cases. But if it happens in a similar way as in one of these examples, I would most probably be OK with that.

Let's turn it around for a second :) (I'm assuming you do not agree that my examples make for OK porn, so I'm trying to find out what you think about other cases of porn)

Let's say Concolor has a wife, and she takes a photo of his privates and keeps it (like in her wallet or something). This would be porn, but not distributed. Would this be OK?

Let's say Concolor has multiple wifes (like in the old testament) and one of them has a photo of his privates with the permission to distribute it among his wifes. She does so in exchange for money. The porn has now been distributed. Would this be OK?

(I assume Concolor is a young adult, over the age of consent in the particular state these events take place)
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dont agree
sickos carry that sort of stuff around and think its o.k
answer mine
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So you think making,watching,distributing movies showing genitals of young adults is fine and acceptable?
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Not necessarily in any or even most cases. But if it happens in a similar way as in one of these examples, I would most probably be OK with that.

Hey! You just insulted my hypothetical wife :D

I would rather describe her as affectionate. Would she be a sicko if she carried a picture of my face in her wallet? Would she be a sicko if she carried a picture of my entire body? What if it was a picture from the beach and I was wearing only shorts? What if this picture made her feel the way every woman is entitled to feel about her man (i.e. sexual attraction)? Where do you draw the line for sicko?
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i draw the line at a person carrying around porn in their wallets and thinking its o.k
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OK, what if she left it in her bedroom drawer?
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sicko and under the bed worse
you should have better taste in hypothetical women

would you like your children to choose making porn videos as living?
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Nope. Nor would I want them to work in a cubicle for a job they don't really like, or smoke weed, or drink alkohol, or sit in front of the computer all day. I'll try to do my best with their upbringing, and after that it's really their choice.

Are you really saying you don't want my hypothetical wife to be sexually attracted to me? Or an image of me?
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