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Internet Pornography; A sin that needs to be talked about
Topic Started: 18 Aug 2009, 09:13 PM (12,563 Views)
conradw
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The fact that those who you say would be the least likely to get divorced (those who build their marriage on god) are amongst the most likely to get divorced. So poor Jesus suffered for nothing!
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oh [please not the old christians are flawed so there for Jesus died for nothing argument !

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conradw
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not really.
This is the one where Christians are flawed (I'm not sure I'm comfortable saying divorce is a flaw, but anyway) so what ever transforming effect Jesus had on their lives doesn't work.
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are you serious mate?
You judge Christians like that? do you judge other ppls flaws and think oh their God must "not work" ?

havnt we been over the fall (maybe that was another thread :unsure: )



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@ARAZEC: I guess the interesting point here would not be whether or not Christians or people in general are flawed. The interesting point is that based on your statements one should think that a marriage which is made in accordance with God (a marriage between Christians) would have a higher probability of being a lasting, happy marriage.

What the statistics show is that the most stable marriages are the ones composed of two non-believers (agnostics/atheists). That is an indicator that basing your marriage on God does not seem to have any stabilizing effect because in that case the statistics should be the other way around.
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Could that be that there is such a small percentage of non-believers (agnostics/atheists) that actually do get married? many prefer to live in a common law situation instead-so the valididity of wether its a lasting, happy trade in for the marriage relationship isnt taken into comparison


And just because you identify as Christian doesnt mean God is part of your everyday life now does it?
For instance the Catholic Faith does not recognise Divorce

The point is that if you judge anyone as being any more prone or less prone to falling short of the mark based on their beleifs than you discriminate.
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1. These statistics are all based on percentages. I fail to see how the fact that many non-believers choose not to marry should have any influence on the people that choose to marry.

2. If Catholics can't divorce, should that not boost the Christian statistics?

3. I don't understand your last sentence and how it is relevant to these statistics.
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exactely statistics with a blanket statement are not reliable

They live as married couples-but have considerably more break ups
So your point about ppl having God in their lives and having less long lasting relationships is a bit far fetched

Also how are you getting stability as part of nonbelievers marriages? stability and longevity are two different kettles of fish

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Wait, what is statistics with a blanket statement?

Firstly, where is your source for your statement that non-believing, unmarried couples with the same address have considerably more break-ups that Christians?
Secondly, we are still talking about marriage, not other types of living arrangements.

I meant of course longevity, your requirement for strict definitions is refreshing ;)
Which other reasons for longevity would a non-believing marriage have other that stability? How would this be different for a Christian couple?
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what poll are you looking at, concolor, do you have the poll's internet address so that I can look it up? and what year is this poll from?
Call it what you want
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conradw
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I'm sure I got this earlier but here it is
http://www.edivorcepapers.com/divorce-statistics/barna-divorce-statistics.html

There is a lot of analysis of this data on the internet, but I'm afraid I couldn't find the original research paper :(

Also this is the proportion of people who have been divorced. Non-religious people tending to get married later because they don't feel pressure to get married young may contribute to this. Interestingly, there is a wide variation in divorce between different types of christians: Catholics are down the bottom with non-religious people, while evangelical fundamentalists are way up at the top (34%).
Now you could argue that a lot of these people turn to god after their divorce (It is not the well but the sick who need the doctor...) but I think I read in one analysis of this paper that 90% of born-again divorces happened after they were born-again.
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So basically you're saying that because some Christians have shorter marriages, Christianity is a poor principle for marriage?
Well my parents have been married for 30 years and are christians, have been the whole throughout.
And it may be that christianity is saving my Uncles marriage, who, although raised catholic, left the belief and married, and divorced, then re-married, but when things got rocky again, he turned to God. And from what I've heard they've decided not to drop everything and get divorced.
Although I did think of a reason why christians might get divorced more. It's because, they rationalize adultery as a reason for it, even though Jesus said exactly against that. They claim to be Christian, but don't have a belief founded in Christ.
That's what makes you a christian, not if you go to church.
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Well I come from a family of non-believers where everyone are married and the only divorce so far has been between my aunt's cousin and her husband.

The point is not that Christianity is a poor foundation for marriage. In this discussion the statistics were introduced (as far as I see it) to show ARAZEC that she was wrong to claim that God is the basis for a loving relationship. In my opinion love is the basis of a loving relationship, whether or not God is included. If God was necessary, it would be reasonable to expect a much higher stability in Christian marriages than in nin-believers' marriages. This is not the case.
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O.k great and since God IS LOVE we agree :thumbs:
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If you say that God is love, and nothing more, then of course we agree :D
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