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| Midst Of Vampy | 31 Oct 2010, 11:27 AM Post #571 |
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That is so true. |
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| millegas08 | 31 Oct 2010, 03:32 PM Post #572 |
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r some of them better than others? all 10 of them were given to Moses from the same stone, carved by God's finger, at the same time. they r equally important. wat is there to oppose? |
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| Midst Of Vampy | 5 Nov 2010, 11:07 PM Post #573 |
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Um, things that you do not believe in, or want to follow, perhaps? Again, I ask, why shall we debate if this is all in opinion and no solid proof or evidence whatsoever is presented?
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| Concolor | 6 Nov 2010, 10:12 PM Post #574 |
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@millegas08: Well "You shall not kill" is a moral guideline that minimizes suffering and is vital for mankind to trust each other and build healthy functional societies, whereas "You shall not take the Lord's name in vane" is simply self-centered, vain and should be way below the level of any perfect, loving being to come with. Also, they are too open for interpretation to provide absolute moral guidelines, as Moses clearly demonstrated when he slaughtered hundreds of people immediately after receiving the commandments. The rules about not coveting stuff, basically introduces the forbidding of "thought-crimes", where you are punished for what you think and not what you do. But people are hurt by actions not by thoughts. A man who thinks about coveting his neighbor's ox all his life but never touches it has done nothing wrong. Whereas a man who steals his neighbor's ox, even if he only coveted it briefly right before he took it, has done a morally wrong act. The commandments could basically cover morality much better if they were: 1: You shall not kill other people unless it is to save yourself or others from their harm. 2: You shall not steal. 3: You shall not be deceiving or untrue. This would of course not be perfect or absolute rules in any way, but still a lot better than the ones in the old testament. @Vampira: I agree, good point. |
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| Midst Of Vampy | 7 Nov 2010, 12:41 AM Post #575 |
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thank you, Concolor. I agree fully. |
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| Deleted User | 8 Nov 2010, 04:40 PM Post #576 |
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"So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith," (Gal. 3:24). The ten comandments |
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| Midst Of Vampy | 8 Nov 2010, 06:06 PM Post #577 |
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Yes, but we might not respect all of them. Therefore, we might not follow them. |
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| Deleted User | 9 Nov 2010, 07:38 AM Post #578 |
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thats the point respect them or not law is imperfect enter Jesus he came not to remove the law but to fufill the law *Bible section* Christian rant permissable |
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| Concolor | 9 Nov 2010, 07:51 AM Post #579 |
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@ARAZEC: I would assume that the law includes more than just the ten commandments? They are but a tiny part of the Old Testament. And if they are, as you say, merely guidelines for coming closer to Jesus (great foresight by Moses BTW) then you were right when you said I completely disregard them, as they then have no interest or value for me what so ever. What confuses me is that some talk about them as if they were moral guidelines of some sort, and that's when I start having opinions about the subject. |
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| Deleted User | 9 Nov 2010, 08:20 AM Post #580 |
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I didnt say they were "merely guidelines" for coming closer to Jesus i quoted Gal 3;24 " So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith," and God was in control of giving them to mosses to give to the people God made a covenant with the people of Israel - the ten commandments (law) are set in Stone not mere guidelines Jesus said he came not to remove one letter of the law but to fufill the law (complete it) anyway whats your problem with all the comandments ? |
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| Concolor | 9 Nov 2010, 11:13 AM Post #581 |
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One of my problems is that people are not very clear on what they are for. Are they exclusively a part of God's covenant with Israel, and can be ignored by anyone else? Are they rules for followers of Jesus and must be obeyed by them in order to be his buddies? Are they moral guidelines applicable to all people, or perhaps only to people of that time? Are they more important than other parts of the Old Testament, if so why? Which version of the commandments are to be followed? Why did Moses get to break them right off the bat? Why do some hold them to be the best moral guidelines there are, when some of them are not about ethics at all, and the rest can easily be trumped even by the moral knowledge of a junior-high school student? |
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| millegas08 | 9 Nov 2010, 05:43 PM Post #582 |
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they were exclusive to Israel, but Israel didn't know that JC was the prophesied Messiah, and in the New Testament, the Scriptures (including the 10 Commandments) were given to the rest of the world they r not rules for anyone in particular. it should b common sense and/or instinct, but God made us with free will and Adam and Eve chose the wrong path applicable to all ppl. the Bible never decreases in significance and influence. it can only increase technically yes. they r among the first of every moral and ethical law since i was not aware there were different versions. there were other copies made that said the same thing when Moses broke the first copy, he was furious that the Israelites were melting down their jewelry to make a gold statue, bowing down to it, sacrificing to it, etc. so he threw them at the idol. they broke, and i like the movie's version where the idol explodes (The Ten Commandments starring Charlton Heston) "some" believe that they came from God. the first 4 r about maintaining a right relationship with God. the final 6 r about keeping a good relationship with ppl. which r the ones not about ethics? moral knowledge = wat u know to b right and true |
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| rillegas08 | 9 Nov 2010, 06:12 PM Post #583 |
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Cue the "freewill" debate... or at least it would at my college. |
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DELICIOUS!
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But if God knows everything, then do we really have free will? Because God already knows the future, and because he's God, he's chosen the future, and if he chooses the future, that means we don't have free will. But we can't see the future, and we make our own choices being independent people. If we knew the future then it would be different, but because we don't, we still have free will. Unmovable force? Meet Unstoppable object. |
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| rillegas08 | 9 Nov 2010, 08:09 PM Post #585 |
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Called it. And it's an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object, btw. Makes sense from a physics perspective: force is the mass of an object multiplied by its acceleration. If the force is immovable, it is not a force but more like potential energy. Edited by rillegas08, 9 Nov 2010, 08:13 PM.
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thank you, Concolor.

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