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| An important question; Could someone explain this? | |
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| Topic Started: 22 Aug 2009, 06:46 AM (173 Views) | |
| Jonathan | 22 Aug 2009, 06:46 AM Post #1 |
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I was on youtube today and when I saw this video it kinda made me think. could someone explain this to me or disprove what its trying to say? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI&feature=related . Its a question I've always wanted answered, watch the whole thing. |
 Luemas: "Isn't Canada that alternate dimension created by C.S. Lewis? " Blaze: "Yes, it's that book "The Polar Bear, the Mountie, and the Maple Wardrobe" | |
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| Luemas | 22 Aug 2009, 12:31 PM Post #2 |
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I've heard stuff like this before, it's basically taking doubts that we may have and pointing them out in a way that makes us look bad. So what is your question though? He's done nothing but compare God to a jug of milk. |
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| Jonathan | 22 Aug 2009, 01:09 PM Post #3 |
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I was wondering if you could disprove what he is trying to explain (Why is god anything more than the milk jug?) and I was also kinda wondering how I could trust prayer. |
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Luemas: "Isn't Canada that alternate dimension created by C.S. Lewis? " Blaze: "Yes, it's that book "The Polar Bear, the Mountie, and the Maple Wardrobe" | |
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22 Aug 2009, 02:21 PM Post #4 |
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Anyone can easily just grab the truth and twist it... Take my dad's friend for example. His perception was that Jesus hung around a lot of men and never had intercourse with Mary Magdeline. Therefore, he was a homo... You don't even need scientific evidence for that, it's just our own twisted logic that makes anything a possibility. So the dude that was promoting his jug of milk made up his own theory, got some random story to back up as proof for his statement. Mix the ingredients up, hey presto, I've just persuaded God's comparison to a jug of milk. Let's begin by asking what prayer is. As smart Christians, we should know that prayer is conversing with God. You are in a relationship with God, communication stimulates a healthy relationship. You can't be in a relationship with a jug of milk. Well you could try... The guys point was about receiving the same response from God as that of a jug, using God as an answering machine, "Yes" "No" and "wait" which is entirely comparable to a jug of milk when the relationship values aren't taken into account. And it's a good lesson too, if you worship God because of positive "co-incidences" than you missed the trail by a mark. We worship God because He IS God. Edited by Patrick Majewski, 22 Aug 2009, 02:43 PM.
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| dragonshardz | 23 Aug 2009, 12:28 AM Post #5 |
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Prayer = coincidence? I think not. Answers to prayers take the form of coincidence because God doesn't work as overtly now as He did during the Old Testament. That's how I see it. I've never understood why people try to prove that Christianity/Religion is false. I have a friend who is Pagan. I don't tell her she is wrong when she tells me that her prayer to Gaia was answered. I don't tell her she is wrong because I believe that there is a greater power that is good, and whether you call it God, Gaia, or Allah is irrelevant. You are worshiping the Good Power that created the world and battles the rebellious Evil Power that wishes to destroy it. Names are not important. It's a matter of tolerance and passive witnessing. If by accepting that you worship differently than I do, and acting kindly towards you and your beliefs I can convert you, then so be it. If not, oh well. I did my best and that's all anyone should ever ask for. As for my friend, I think I'll be seeing her in Heaven or wherever it is we go. I've been raised as a Christian, and have always struggled with the acceptance of the theory that because someone worships differently than I do, that they are intrinsically evil and must be converted. I say, if your form of worship harms no one and is not cruel to others or yourself, then do as ye will. Also, you have to take into account that while the idea of Heaven is a wonderful one, and I very much hope it is right, there is the possibility that every religion is wrong and death is the end of everything. Religion is an attempt by fundamentally limited beings to understand how they and the world around them came to be. The Hindu have Vishnu and Brahma, the Greeks had Zeus and his family, the Native American tribes had their Thunderbirds and Great White Ones, we have God, atheists have the Big Bang, and so on, down the list of religions and belief systems. All are different ways of explaining the existence of everything, both known and unknown. None are intrinsically right or wrong, your belief that Explanation A is right and Explanation B is wrong is a matter of what you perceive as right. Edited by dragonshardz, 23 Aug 2009, 12:29 AM.
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I'm also known as "the Other Patrick." Yes, really. And now for the link to my profile on Urban Dead and my character's status: Willful stupidity makes me angry. I'm not a happy person when I'm angry. | |
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| ARAZEC | 23 Aug 2009, 02:45 AM Post #6 |
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if its not heaven you can compare notes about how hot it is  my view is i dont agree with your view Shardz-but any person not offended by the word arse makes me think youd be cool with me saying that  me- Im so opposite to passive when it comes to evangelisim-but NOT because i think people are so intrincically evil and need to be converted -its cause Jesus hung on cross so we could not only HAVE life but HAVE it abundantly. this i want my friends family and most of the time every living soul to GET A HOLD OF -to really GET IT not cause im afraid i have to make converts-BUT THINK FOR A MOMENT-think if every crumby measly even disgusting thing you,ve gone thru-you have absoulute assurance that somehow its gonna be turned around ALL FOR YOUR GOOD and THINK JUST THINK if there is this eternal life thing this too good to be true place where its safe and ultimate beyond your wildest imagination-and then imagine the vilest thing on earth that could happen and think of a place ruled by the perpetrater of THAT sound like loonpreach? whatever it takes |
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| Jonathan | 23 Aug 2009, 10:10 AM Post #7 |
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Thanks for the explanations guys  , prayer has puzzled me for a while now. I wish that God did work as overtly now as He did during the Old Testament. Whenever it comes to proving things about god it seems that no matter how much proof you have for something there is always another possibility.
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Luemas: "Isn't Canada that alternate dimension created by C.S. Lewis? " Blaze: "Yes, it's that book "The Polar Bear, the Mountie, and the Maple Wardrobe" | |
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| ARAZEC | 24 Aug 2009, 04:06 AM Post #8 |
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eternal things are unseen (thats from the bible?) You can trust prayer...trust me 
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| conradw | 2 Sep 2009, 08:03 PM Post #9 |
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Dragonshardz, I thought what you said was beautiful. I think the guy in the video makes a very important point about not reading cosmic significance into every coincidence that occurs: That way madness lies (seriously). But another question he asks is how do we know that we are talking to God and not fooling ourselves into thinking someone is listening? If the same results can be obtained from praying to a jug of milk, then either the jug of milk is answering your prayers, or God is intervening only as much as a jug of milk would. Me? I don't think I get that much out of prayer. It helps me focus my thoughts, settle my nerves, summon my courage and rejoice in a moment in time, but it really is rather one sided. And yes, I've heard the line about opening my heart to God and he will talk to me, but I've never really received anything that I was sure wasn't just me, and for me to label that as God talking would be dishonest. Having said that, I feel I find God through other people. From time to time in dialogue someone says something that just hits the spot so perfectly, or opens your mind to something you hadn't considered in such a way that God-given may be the best way to describe it. It may seem a little selfish to be using all of you to hear God, but maybe (and I know I'm bordering on self-flattery here) some of the things I and others say to you hit you in the same way. Prayer works, sure, but it isn't because God waves a magic wand for you. In the example from the video, while prayer may not have delivered the cheque to you, it may have given you the patience, courage and strength of will to be able to make it until that cheque arrived if you were in dire circumstances or the good humour to use the money well if you weren't. |
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