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An interesting paradox
Topic Started: 18 Sep 2009, 01:21 PM (5,793 Views)
conradw
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in the contest you suggested, chuck norris will win, but neither will lose.
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Huh... I was right all along! There is no theory of evolution, just creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Angels sang out, in immaculate chorus, down from the heavens, descended Chuck Norris.
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...He delivered a kick, which could shatter bones
into the crotch, of Indiana Jones
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Who fell over on the ground writhing in pain.
As batman changed back into Bruce Wayne.
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I love that song :D
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conradw
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now that we're all agreed on chuck norris's fate in the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny, can we get back to answering the question posed: who created the laws of nature?

Or to put it another way, who keeps the laws of nature being obeyed?
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Or what? Or if?
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God.

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Is that a "yes" to the "if?"
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To Conrads who and your if :P
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do you have an answer concolor?

could you answer your own questions about what keeps the laws of nature being obeyed, or if they are obeyed?
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Of course not. It would be preposterously arrogant of me to claim knowledge about the universe beyond the natural laws.

In fact I would stop already on the first question:
Q1: Did the laws of nature have a beginning, or did they always exist?
A1: I have no idea. How would I know?

For the sake of argument one could suppose that they had a beginning, then we're in hypothetical land which may not necessarily have anything to do with objective reality. But let's suppose.
Q2: If they did have a beginning, did something else cause them to exist or did this happen spontaneously?
A2: Tricky one. I'm pretty used to causality, so it's hard for me to imagine something to happen without something causing it. But then again, if something (let's call that something A) caused them to come into existence, then something else must have caused A to come into existence, and we get an infinite row of causes. If not, then A must have always existed, and then we're right back to Q1 again. Also our concept of time and causality comes from living in a world which obeys the laws of nature. I'm not even sure we even have the ability to understand processes that do not follow these laws. It may be permanently beyond our understanding (or maybe not, but so far it doesn't look too promising).

As you can see, to come to the question of "what?" I must move into a hypothetical world after already moving into a hypothetical world and I still get the answer of "I have no clue what so ever", and would be highly suspicious of anyone who says "Ah, this one's easy, the answer is B."
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not the answer isNT B its




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be highly suspicious :ninja: ;)
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Don't worry ARAZEC, I am :D
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suspicious of leading you onto the wrong path to nowhere
-changing my phrase to mean the opposite not permitted-
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