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| conradw | 5 Dec 2009, 07:21 AM Post #301 |
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i'm not impressed by the dismissive tone. the Quran verifies nothing about the events themselves. Unless of course you believe that the Quran was dictated to Mohammed by God through the angel Gabriel? |
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| Concolor | 5 Dec 2009, 07:34 AM Post #302 |
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The Koran treats Jesus as an important prophet. It is not an independent source at all since it is openly referring to the Bible, nor is it critical as it is taking all the miracles as evidence of Allah and his will. |
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Life is beautiful, love heals, people come through. Reason, compassion and love comes first. Everything else is secondary. Except for Skittles. - And emperor Cheezy!
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| Deleted User | 5 Dec 2009, 08:23 AM Post #303 |
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i'm not impressed by the dismissive tone- do you mean the yawns cause its 1.15am here.... o.k so you tell me what you want instead of me guessing- no books from major religions of the world cross referencing of documented History and its gotta be with-in 60 years of Jesus death and its got to be stated clearly by the person that they are documenting Jesus life and works but they disagree with him? are you going to add more or is this what you want ? |
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| conradw | 5 Dec 2009, 09:21 PM Post #304 |
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just that alone would be marvellous.
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| Deleted User | 8 Dec 2009, 07:24 AM Post #305 |
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In 52 AD, Thallus wrote a historical work of Greece regarding the Trojan War. Although most of his work is lost,found are accounts beginning with Sulla to Jesus mentioning Herod Agrippa. Julius Africanus in 221 AD quotes Thallus. In the third book of Africanus’ histories he states that darkness covered the earth during the crucifixion of Jesus. He attributes the darkness to a solar eclipse. From his writings, it can be concluded that the passion story was known in Rome by 50 AD, and that the enemies of Christianity tried to give naturalistic explanations to the occurrence of darkness. Patrick Zukeran -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- About the Author Patrick Zukeran is an associate speaker for Probe Ministries. He has a B.A. in Religion from Point Loma Nazarene University, a Th.M. from Dallas Theological Seminary, and a D.Min. from Southern Evangelical Seminary. He is an author, radio talk show host, and a national and international speaker on apologetics, cults, world religions, Bible, theology, and current issues. His nationally syndicated radio talk show "Evidence and Answers" is broadcast on the KTLW Network (covering the West Coast), through all of Asia (through World Harvest Radio), and on the web at evidenceandanswers |
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| conradw | 10 Dec 2009, 01:23 PM Post #306 |
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I hadn't heard of Thallus before. I find that really interesting. So much so that I decided to look it up.
It is unfortunate that Thallus is lost and we may never know exactly what he was referring to, and whether Africanus's criticism is justified. I feel we are peering dimly through the smokes of time. I'd love to hear other people's views on this. Do you know of any other similar sources? I think this could make for some fascinating conversation
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| Deleted User | 10 Dec 2009, 02:15 PM Post #307 |
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yes it was tiresome to look up EXACTELY what you wanted to hear anyway can you post a link to your source? |
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| conradw | 10 Dec 2009, 02:55 PM Post #308 |
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http://www.christian-thinktank.com/jrthal.html for you, anything
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| Junior | 10 Dec 2009, 05:55 PM Post #309 |
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Christianthinktank.com.... that's an... enticing name. |
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| Concolor | 10 Dec 2009, 06:02 PM Post #310 |
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@conradw:Though I'm no historian, I would say that to me the chances look pretty good that there was at least one guy called Jesus that stirred up some trouble back then. Exactly what Jesus said and did is a rather different question. And for those who calim that he was the son of God, I would say that I'm not convinced that we can rule out the competition just because Jesus' followers did a better long-term PR-job. |
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| conradw | 10 Dec 2009, 06:11 PM Post #311 |
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concolor, the market has spoken! Jesus was the son of God because Mel Gibson's film made a shed load of dosh. (now that WAS something stolen from the Colbert Report!) |
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| Concolor | 10 Dec 2009, 06:43 PM Post #312 |
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Well I guess that's my point. If you think that millions of people can't be wrong, then you've never watched an American election
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| Deleted User | 11 Dec 2009, 09:03 AM Post #313 |
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From Condraws reference are interesting
Looks like a full eclipse cant happen at the time of Jesus's crucifixtion - so it cant have been why the world was covered in darkness.... |
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| conradw | 11 Dec 2009, 11:51 AM Post #314 |
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Well a total eclipse wouldn't have covered the whole world in darkness anyway. So what did happen? God dimmed the sun? that sounds sorta dangerous, as well as against the whole 'God doesn't do miracles because he wants you to have faith' |
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| Deleted User | 12 Dec 2009, 01:06 AM Post #315 |
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well i imagine id be pissed and hurl the entire earth if i could and that happened to my son... |
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