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An interesting paradox
Topic Started: 18 Sep 2009, 01:21 PM (5,805 Views)
Luemas
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Uh, no. It was factual.
And although I can't say i approve of what Lot did..
let's not go there.
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hey, wasn't lot an enemy of judaism?
Call it what you want
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Eh?
With the incest?
And the getting drunk?
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I think if you look at what Lot's daughters did AFTER the destruction of Sodom, you'll see that these girls were probably not the kind of girls who would have been unwilling to spend a night rolling in the hay with a crowd of men.

hmmm so if he was an enemy of judaism... that means he and his offspring probably don't have any regard for jewish law.... so what's stopping lot's daughters from doing it again?
Call it what you want
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I guess their deadness would hold them back a bit :D
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Lot wasn't a "Bad Guy" so to speak. He is described as a righteous man, and Abraham went out of his way to rescue him from captivity.

I don't see where you're getting this notion that he was an enemy of Judaism. Let me know if you find out where you got that from.
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Abraham went out of his way to rescue him from captivity.


Wouldn't you want to rescue your son from captivity?
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Nephew*
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I'm a perfectionist :D
Oh and Conc, when you where asking why God didn't strike down the rapists?
Why where the rapists there again?
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it all follows down to why did we decided to wear clothes..
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conradw
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I don't see why the migration of hominids to colder climates and needing protection as explaining anything.

Unless you mean that if we were all naturists no one would be homosexual?
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you know what she means ^_^
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We'll it's just that God is kinda picky as to whom he strikes down. Those kids making fun of Elisha's bald head were exercising their free will, and God saw fit to punish them by having bears tear them apart. Why did the hammer fall on the kids and not the rapists, and how does any of this defend Lot's decision to offer his children to the potential rapists?
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it was a curse that struck the 500 mockers a curse from the mouth a man
whys god waering blame here?
no ones defending Lot other than to say he was the best of a bad bunch-but despite sin he saw angels of God and in his own way wanted to protect them from sleeping in a public place cause the ppl were just sooo bad and the society had gone feral.
have you heard the term cast your Lot?



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He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD.
That's why. And when did "some youths" (NIV) turn into 500 people?

Paul is holding Lot up as an example of a righteous man. There's lots of people in the Bible who didn't try to pimp out their kids to rapists. Why not hold them up in stead? I'm not trying to bash Lot here, I just think that if the Bible is supposed to give guidance to people in moral questions (and as a human, I know that we are pretty dense), I would think it would have been easier for people if guys who did such things were not held up as examples of righteous men.

Also, should the point not be that a righteous man should not allow himself to be corrupted by his surroundings? If righteousness is such a relative term, people could just go to war-zones and be considered righteous for raping and murdering a lot fever people than everyone else. (Yes I'm exaggerating, but I would think righteousness would be harder to obtain)
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Casting lots means to gamble - i'm not sure why that's relevant. (It isn't a capital L either...)

I can't see a rapist as any worse than a man who would get drunk and screw his daughters.

Although if we go by the rule of Might makes Right: God is the Smitemaster here. He DIDN'T smite Lot, but did smite everyone else. So Lot is a better person, why? because God said so, and he'll smite you if you disagree. hmmm that seems to work! :)
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