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| Tweet Topic Started: 18 Sep 2009, 01:21 PM (5,802 Views) | |
Luemas
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27 Oct 2009, 04:51 PM Post #106 |
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But you do have to prove them wrong! And for one Conrad. I think we can say they were guilty of homosexuality and intent to rape God's messengers. That's a pretty good start. |
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I think I'm Crazzzy. I think your crazy. I think your crazzzy... probably. | |
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| conradw | 28 Oct 2009, 01:39 AM Post #107 |
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what about the women of Sodom and Gamorrah? They didn't intend to rape anyone. Actually, we don't even know what was going on in Gamorrah at that time. Or do we just assume that they had it coming to them? first they're all blinded and then obliterated: seems like a very corporal punishment type of god. Also, do you think that death is the appropriate punishment for homosexuality and attempted rape? |
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28 Oct 2009, 06:10 AM Post #108 |
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I think, that we are not to decide what deserves death, there are some cases, in which, for the betterment of society, that death, may be more helpful. If someone were to rape your hypothetical daughter, then kill her, what would you want for him? Think about it. Your little girl, that you watched her learn to walk and talk and make friends. You were by her for every big moment of your life. And then, she's killed, mercilessly. What would you think? |
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I think I'm Crazzzy. I think your crazy. I think your crazzzy... probably. | |
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| conradw | 28 Oct 2009, 11:22 AM Post #109 |
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No society worth bettering can be bettered by killing people. To say otherwise is to decide what deserves death. And to refuse to decide what deserves death is to abrogate your most fundamental responsibility: your own morals. To answer your question: I would hope to be able to someday forgive her killer. Whether or not my daughter forgives him is for her to do in the hereafter. Killing him would not bring her back. But that's not the issue at hand. Not only did God kill the attempted rapists, but he killed all of their wives and daughters, mothers and sisters (and infant sons). Now suppose a Sodomite (someone from Sodom) has gone to visit his friend for the weekend and comes back to find out that God has killed his daughter, his wife, his mother and his sister. Do you think he's going to think that "God must have done this for the greater Good." No, he's going to curse your god (if he actually believes your god is able to do that). So I ask you "If someone were to kill your hypothetical daughter, what would you want for him? Think about it. Your little girl, that you watched her learn to walk and talk and make friends. You were by her for every big moment of your life. And then, she's killed, mercilessly. What would you think?" In destroying the city, God did exactly that many times over. If you can't see this is immoral, then you've given up your one and only truly inalienable right: that is to say, the only right that cannot be taken off you but only surrendered: the right to think for yourself. |
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Luemas
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28 Oct 2009, 04:27 PM Post #110 |
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Then again. I don't decide what deserves death. God does. And while you say, this is immoral, as creator of the universe, as the standard for everything right, isn't everything he isn't, evil? Now, should we kill people for purgatory? No. And you know somebody who had everything taken away from him, and then some? Job, and did he curse God? |
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I think I'm Crazzzy. I think your crazy. I think your crazzzy... probably. | |
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| Deleted User | 29 Oct 2009, 06:37 AM Post #111 |
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yep death is a part of life god has numbered all our days on earth |
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| conradw | 29 Oct 2009, 08:47 PM Post #112 |
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no, Job didn't curse God, but he did challenge him. And, not only that but he didn't get an honest reply. Job asked "Why are you doing this to me?" and God said "you wouldn't understand, you're only human." The fact is though that Job would understand: God was doing it to win a bet. |
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| Concolor | 30 Oct 2009, 04:04 AM Post #113 |
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Which he did! All hail God, the winner of bets (Okay I'm just being obnoxious. Ignore me )
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Life is beautiful, love heals, people come through. Reason, compassion and love comes first. Everything else is secondary. Except for Skittles. - And emperor Cheezy!
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| Deleted User | 30 Oct 2009, 07:20 AM Post #114 |
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the book of Job teaches us not to judge anothers lack of or abundance of suffering eg- they did this or that so now they are getting punished. it does show us that ultimately light overcomes darkness and justice is always for those that stick with God |
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| conradw | 30 Oct 2009, 08:17 AM Post #115 |
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Okay then. The fact that Sodom and Gamorrah were destroyed is not a punishment. (it might have been God winning bets). I'm good with that. |
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| Deleted User | 30 Oct 2009, 08:24 AM Post #116 |
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The character of God is perfect luckily if it did come down to betting God takes no chances
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| Concolor | 30 Oct 2009, 08:26 AM Post #117 |
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Hey conradw, you just pulled an ARAZEC
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Life is beautiful, love heals, people come through. Reason, compassion and love comes first. Everything else is secondary. Except for Skittles. - And emperor Cheezy!
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| conradw | 31 Oct 2009, 05:46 AM Post #118 |
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Unfortunately I didn't get a useful response. I don't mind God being a betting man at all. What I mind is the inconsistency between the things Arazec has said. What do you think Arazec, in light of what we were just saying about Job, is the destruction of Sodom and Gamorrah a punishment? |
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| Junior | 1 Nov 2009, 07:17 AM Post #119 |
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I, personally, don't see it as a punishment as much as an example. God knew they were going to be doing Satan's work anyway, so he used them as a way of asserting his powers. He showed the world's nations that he doesn't screw around. And, it also may have actually been for the betterment of Israel... Sodom and Gomorrah were both Babylonian trade districts, that provided Babylon with the strength to kill as many Jews as they want. When God destroyed them, not only did he set an example, but he SAVED the Jews. that's good coming from destruction, an ideal that you have lately been disagreeing with. Also, don't think that he destroyed EVERYONE is Sodom and Gomorrah, several righteous families, coming from both Lot's and Abraham's side of the family, were extracted from the cities prior the destruction. God really did a lot more good than not good.
Edited by Junior, 1 Nov 2009, 07:18 AM.
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| Deleted User | 1 Nov 2009, 05:39 PM Post #120 |
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well said J and in response to Con's question- God exercises righteous Judgement there is a difference to what you or i would know as punishment. i would call it consequence Unless you can prove to me God is unjust we can take this as truth is it Gods punishment that you cut yourself if you walk on glass with barefeet? |
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